BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
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Well you are just putting words on my mouth now and then arguing against it.
TR is a grifter. Much like Farage. I have no love or support for either.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
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Well you are just putting words on my mouth now and then arguing against it.
TR is a grifter. Much like Farage. I have no love or support for either.
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"Well you are just putting words on my mouth now and then arguing against it."
I have become what I mock.
Anyway, lunch time walkies. Let me know about that teams call.
Hope this comment found you well.
Although you did say this:
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
I will leave you with my view of Tommy Robertson:
All of his anger is directed at muslims.
We can agree to disagree.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
I just don't see relevance regarding Huw, who has been dealt with. Justice is taking its course and he has just actually pleaded guilty. Hopefully he gets some jail time.
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Unlikely given the rate they are releasing rapists and stabbers from our rammed prisons. His punishment is being unemployable and the loss of his taxpayer £400kpa. Put of the register and probably also the loss of his family and friends. Not that he will live poor but so long as his fetish was satisfied by pictures and no more then I see nothing to be gained by incarceration and would rather his place was taken by one of the machete mob.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
Also I notice Tommy Robertson isn't all over one of our leading white christians Huw Edwards making pictures of children. Imagine the highest paid news reporter in the country was muslim. And imagine if he had done what Huw had done.
The narrative of the MSM being led by muslims who are trying to cover up child abuse from the top....
But he's a white christian...
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Huw has been dealt with by the police. Why would Robinson need to make a fuss about it when the authorities have done their job?
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
I am no TR supporter by the way, but we can't hide from the fact that authorities have covered these things up out of fear of upsetting a minority.
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People actually believe that the UK government and police would cover up crimes committed by brown people? Everything we know about police and minorities goes against that bullsheet. Police are underfunded or simply fail to do their jobs and when confronted they say they were scared of creating societal tension. They don't seem to be scared of anything in other situations, but they failed to look into, and even covered up white girls being assaulted by brown dudes so as not to create racial tensions?
Yeah, fat chance.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
I just don't see relevance regarding Huw, who has been dealt with. Justice is taking its course and he has just actually pleaded guilty. Hopefully he gets some jail time.
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Unlikely given the rate they are releasing rapists and stabbers from our rammed prisons. His punishment is being unemployable and the loss of his taxpayer £400kpa. Put of the register and probably also the loss of his family and friends. Not that he will live poor but so long as his fetish was satisfied by pictures and no more then I see nothing to be gained by incarceration and would rather his place was taken by one of the machete mob.
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comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 16 minutes ago
Although you did say this:
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
I will leave you with my view of Tommy Robertson:
All of his anger is directed at muslims.
We can agree to disagree.
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But I don't disagree with you. He is certainly angry at Muslims.
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
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A lot of people are like that. They see some justification here and there and it's attitudes like hay that encourage people like Tommy Robinson. Absolute condemnation is required, but is rare for people like him in a country like this. There's always a "but".
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
I just don't see relevance regarding Huw, who has been dealt with. Justice is taking its course and he has just actually pleaded guilty. Hopefully he gets some jail time.
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Unlikely given the rate they are releasing rapists and stabbers from our rammed prisons. His punishment is being unemployable and the loss of his taxpayer £400kpa. Put of the register and probably also the loss of his family and friends. Not that he will live poor but so long as his fetish was satisfied by pictures and no more then I see nothing to be gained by incarceration and would rather his place was taken by one of the machete mob.
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I suspect he will get off lightly as he has gone guilty form the off too.
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
Also I notice Tommy Robertson isn't all over one of our leading white christians Huw Edwards making pictures of children. Imagine the highest paid news reporter in the country was muslim. And imagine if he had done what Huw had done.
The narrative of the MSM being led by muslims who are trying to cover up child abuse from the top....
But he's a white christian...
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Huw has been dealt with by the police. Why would Robinson need to make a fuss about it when the authorities have done their job?
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
I am no TR supporter by the way, but we can't hide from the fact that authorities have covered these things up out of fear of upsetting a minority.
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People actually believe that the UK government and police would cover up crimes committed by brown people? Everything we know about police and minorities goes against that bullsheet. Police are underfunded or simply fail to do their jobs and when confronted they say they were scared of creating societal tension. They don't seem to be scared of anything in other situations, but they failed to look into, and even covered up white girls being assaulted by brown dudes so as not to create racial tensions?
Yeah, fat chance.
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I mean, a report into the Telford scandal suggested that there was a reluctance to act due to act because of race. I am pretty sure I recall reading a quote from an officer or someone in child services regarding the Rochdale case, where they had been guided by someone more senior to back off due to the fear of escalating racial tensions. I will see if I can dig it out when I have more time.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
Also I notice Tommy Robertson isn't all over one of our leading white christians Huw Edwards making pictures of children. Imagine the highest paid news reporter in the country was muslim. And imagine if he had done what Huw had done.
The narrative of the MSM being led by muslims who are trying to cover up child abuse from the top....
But he's a white christian...
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Huw has been dealt with by the police. Why would Robinson need to make a fuss about it when the authorities have done their job?
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
I am no TR supporter by the way, but we can't hide from the fact that authorities have covered these things up out of fear of upsetting a minority.
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People actually believe that the UK government and police would cover up crimes committed by brown people? Everything we know about police and minorities goes against that bullsheet. Police are underfunded or simply fail to do their jobs and when confronted they say they were scared of creating societal tension. They don't seem to be scared of anything in other situations, but they failed to look into, and even covered up white girls being assaulted by brown dudes so as not to create racial tensions?
Yeah, fat chance.
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I mean, a report into the Telford scandal suggested that there was a reluctance to act due to act because of race. I am pretty sure I recall reading a quote from an officer or someone in child services regarding the Rochdale case, where they had been guided by someone more senior to back off due to the fear of escalating racial tensions. I will see if I can dig it out when I have more time.
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Everyone can appreciate that that should not have happened.
But is it an excuse to launch a decade long, daily campaign against muslims? Because the police tried to cover up what some Sikhs were doing so it didn't create racial tension?
comment by Elvis (U7425)
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
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That's not true
All of the EDL's anger is internally created and comes from the fact that they're mindless racist thugs, and they'll use whatever excuse they can to attack brown people.
If the EDL attack Huw's solictors, then they'll have been consistent with what they did after the Rochdale Gang was sentenced.
Yes I know you're not racist or a TR fan but you cannot apply any reason to these racist thugs other than that's what they are, and to do as much as possible to limit the amount of excuses they can come up with for attacking people.
Exactly. These claims didn't come from some investigation, they came from the cops themselves who would have a motive to say that. Even if that happened, it must have been isolated and anecdotal.
In this country you can easily shift blame and even become a victim if you shift blame to an immigrant or a person who isn't white. It's an instant and easy out for the cops.
This is further demonstrated by the fact that the report only said that claims were made that some cases were not investigated because of "nervousness about race". This report covers over 1,000 cases covering more than 40 years, no?
Yet the common theme is police allowed white girls to be assaulted because they were scared about race. Did that happen the whole time. I doubt cops were scared of this sheet 40 years ago, or remained scared for 40 years.
Furthermore, being scared of racial tensions isn't a reason to victim blame, which there was a lot of. Only a bribe turns the complainant into the accused. This happened because of sheet police work but they can get out by saying they were scared of racial tensions, coming from arguably the most racist institution there is.
Elvis
You said "A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
There's nothing in the report that suggests that's what happened, so how did you reach the conclusion above. TR has been using this bit from the report to drive a dangerous narrative that the cops and government are covering stuff up. The result is police officers getting beat up in the streets and too many people having no problem with it. It seems you believe it too while is amazing.
Let's be honest if those EDL protesters were taken out by the Police they would not be missed at all.
It's a real shame the media dampened the severity of the word racist by overusing it in the wrong context.
But, division was caused, so they are happy with what they have done.
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 12 hours, 28 minutes ago
Elvis
You said "A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
There's nothing in the report that suggests that's what happened, so how did you reach the conclusion above. TR has been using this bit from the report to drive a dangerous narrative that the cops and government are covering stuff up. The result is police officers getting beat up in the streets and too many people having no problem with it. It seems you believe it too while is amazing.
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I actually meant the Keighley abuse case, not the Rochdale one. I'm getting the details between the two mixed up.
That's an even worse example. A police cover up by UK police, of little white girls being abused by brown people?
Don't know how this has become so believable in this country. You gotta be kidding me.
I’m not going to pretend to know the absolute facts as to why it went on so long. But Mamba, how are you dismissing one theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up?
If you've been following the discussion then I'm not dismissing any theory. Elvis said this about Tommy Robinson
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale"
I simply challenged that statement and don't see any evidence to support it. It is actually a very dangerous thing to believe without proof. Didn't you see Tommy Robinson's clip yesterday? Or was it day before yesterday? He basically said people are angry and protesting because the authorities are covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities. So the same thing as Elvis. I am querying what that is based on and indicated that the report didn't back it up as Elvis claimed and now he's switched from Rochdale to Keighley, which also doesn't back it up IMO.
Is that what dismissing a theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up looks like to you?
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
If you've been following the discussion then I'm not dismissing any theory. Elvis said this about Tommy Robinson
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale"
I simply challenged that statement and don't see any evidence to support it. It is actually a very dangerous thing to believe without proof. Didn't you see Tommy Robinson's clip yesterday? Or was it day before yesterday? He basically said people are angry and protesting because the authorities are covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities. So the same thing as Elvis. I am querying what that is based on and indicated that the report didn't back it up as Elvis claimed and now he's switched from Rochdale to Keighley, which also doesn't back it up IMO.
Is that what dismissing a theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up looks like to you?
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But when you look at the reports you simply can’t dismiss the idea of a cover up, can you?
PM to meet police as Southport protests spread
Headline on the BBC. Why are they calling them protests? They’re just legitimising the riots.
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 21 minutes ago
That's an even worse example. A police cover up by UK police, of little white girls being abused by brown people?
Don't know how this has become so believable in this country. You gotta be kidding me.
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The MP for Keighley, who played a key role in charges being brought, certainly believed that was the reason. She has been very vocal about it. This is a lady that was dealing directly with the authorities trying get them to prosecute, so I think she will have a fair idea of the circumstances.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
I’m not going to pretend to know the absolute facts as to why it went on so long. But Mamba, how are you dismissing one theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up?
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Because that is what he does
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posted on 31/7/24
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
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Well you are just putting words on my mouth now and then arguing against it.
TR is a grifter. Much like Farage. I have no love or support for either.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you are just putting words on my mouth now and then arguing against it.
TR is a grifter. Much like Farage. I have no love or support for either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well you are just putting words on my mouth now and then arguing against it."
I have become what I mock.
Anyway, lunch time walkies. Let me know about that teams call.
Hope this comment found you well.
posted on 31/7/24
Although you did say this:
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
I will leave you with my view of Tommy Robertson:
All of his anger is directed at muslims.
We can agree to disagree.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
I just don't see relevance regarding Huw, who has been dealt with. Justice is taking its course and he has just actually pleaded guilty. Hopefully he gets some jail time.
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Unlikely given the rate they are releasing rapists and stabbers from our rammed prisons. His punishment is being unemployable and the loss of his taxpayer £400kpa. Put of the register and probably also the loss of his family and friends. Not that he will live poor but so long as his fetish was satisfied by pictures and no more then I see nothing to be gained by incarceration and would rather his place was taken by one of the machete mob.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
Also I notice Tommy Robertson isn't all over one of our leading white christians Huw Edwards making pictures of children. Imagine the highest paid news reporter in the country was muslim. And imagine if he had done what Huw had done.
The narrative of the MSM being led by muslims who are trying to cover up child abuse from the top....
But he's a white christian...
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Huw has been dealt with by the police. Why would Robinson need to make a fuss about it when the authorities have done their job?
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
I am no TR supporter by the way, but we can't hide from the fact that authorities have covered these things up out of fear of upsetting a minority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People actually believe that the UK government and police would cover up crimes committed by brown people? Everything we know about police and minorities goes against that bullsheet. Police are underfunded or simply fail to do their jobs and when confronted they say they were scared of creating societal tension. They don't seem to be scared of anything in other situations, but they failed to look into, and even covered up white girls being assaulted by brown dudes so as not to create racial tensions?
Yeah, fat chance.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
I just don't see relevance regarding Huw, who has been dealt with. Justice is taking its course and he has just actually pleaded guilty. Hopefully he gets some jail time.
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Unlikely given the rate they are releasing rapists and stabbers from our rammed prisons. His punishment is being unemployable and the loss of his taxpayer £400kpa. Put of the register and probably also the loss of his family and friends. Not that he will live poor but so long as his fetish was satisfied by pictures and no more then I see nothing to be gained by incarceration and would rather his place was taken by one of the machete mob.
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posted on 31/7/24
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 16 minutes ago
Although you did say this:
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
I will leave you with my view of Tommy Robertson:
All of his anger is directed at muslims.
We can agree to disagree.
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But I don't disagree with you. He is certainly angry at Muslims.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
BTW if you want to test the "their main anger is that the authorities were covering it up and it's not about them being muslim" theory, tell them that the leader of the Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury grooming gangs was actually Sikh.
Then see how "not about them being muslim" it is.
Something that would surely be irrelevant if they are purely looking out for the victims.
It is a quick and fun test of their motives.
They've clearly done a number on Elvis though.
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A lot of people are like that. They see some justification here and there and it's attitudes like hay that encourage people like Tommy Robinson. Absolute condemnation is required, but is rare for people like him in a country like this. There's always a "but".
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 31 minutes ago
I just don't see relevance regarding Huw, who has been dealt with. Justice is taking its course and he has just actually pleaded guilty. Hopefully he gets some jail time.
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Unlikely given the rate they are releasing rapists and stabbers from our rammed prisons. His punishment is being unemployable and the loss of his taxpayer £400kpa. Put of the register and probably also the loss of his family and friends. Not that he will live poor but so long as his fetish was satisfied by pictures and no more then I see nothing to be gained by incarceration and would rather his place was taken by one of the machete mob.
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I suspect he will get off lightly as he has gone guilty form the off too.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
Also I notice Tommy Robertson isn't all over one of our leading white christians Huw Edwards making pictures of children. Imagine the highest paid news reporter in the country was muslim. And imagine if he had done what Huw had done.
The narrative of the MSM being led by muslims who are trying to cover up child abuse from the top....
But he's a white christian...
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Huw has been dealt with by the police. Why would Robinson need to make a fuss about it when the authorities have done their job?
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
I am no TR supporter by the way, but we can't hide from the fact that authorities have covered these things up out of fear of upsetting a minority.
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People actually believe that the UK government and police would cover up crimes committed by brown people? Everything we know about police and minorities goes against that bullsheet. Police are underfunded or simply fail to do their jobs and when confronted they say they were scared of creating societal tension. They don't seem to be scared of anything in other situations, but they failed to look into, and even covered up white girls being assaulted by brown dudes so as not to create racial tensions?
Yeah, fat chance.
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I mean, a report into the Telford scandal suggested that there was a reluctance to act due to act because of race. I am pretty sure I recall reading a quote from an officer or someone in child services regarding the Rochdale case, where they had been guided by someone more senior to back off due to the fear of escalating racial tensions. I will see if I can dig it out when I have more time.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
Also I notice Tommy Robertson isn't all over one of our leading white christians Huw Edwards making pictures of children. Imagine the highest paid news reporter in the country was muslim. And imagine if he had done what Huw had done.
The narrative of the MSM being led by muslims who are trying to cover up child abuse from the top....
But he's a white christian...
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Huw has been dealt with by the police. Why would Robinson need to make a fuss about it when the authorities have done their job?
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
I am no TR supporter by the way, but we can't hide from the fact that authorities have covered these things up out of fear of upsetting a minority.
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People actually believe that the UK government and police would cover up crimes committed by brown people? Everything we know about police and minorities goes against that bullsheet. Police are underfunded or simply fail to do their jobs and when confronted they say they were scared of creating societal tension. They don't seem to be scared of anything in other situations, but they failed to look into, and even covered up white girls being assaulted by brown dudes so as not to create racial tensions?
Yeah, fat chance.
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I mean, a report into the Telford scandal suggested that there was a reluctance to act due to act because of race. I am pretty sure I recall reading a quote from an officer or someone in child services regarding the Rochdale case, where they had been guided by someone more senior to back off due to the fear of escalating racial tensions. I will see if I can dig it out when I have more time.
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Everyone can appreciate that that should not have happened.
But is it an excuse to launch a decade long, daily campaign against muslims? Because the police tried to cover up what some Sikhs were doing so it didn't create racial tension?
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale.
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That's not true
All of the EDL's anger is internally created and comes from the fact that they're mindless racist thugs, and they'll use whatever excuse they can to attack brown people.
If the EDL attack Huw's solictors, then they'll have been consistent with what they did after the Rochdale Gang was sentenced.
Yes I know you're not racist or a TR fan but you cannot apply any reason to these racist thugs other than that's what they are, and to do as much as possible to limit the amount of excuses they can come up with for attacking people.
posted on 31/7/24
Exactly. These claims didn't come from some investigation, they came from the cops themselves who would have a motive to say that. Even if that happened, it must have been isolated and anecdotal.
In this country you can easily shift blame and even become a victim if you shift blame to an immigrant or a person who isn't white. It's an instant and easy out for the cops.
This is further demonstrated by the fact that the report only said that claims were made that some cases were not investigated because of "nervousness about race". This report covers over 1,000 cases covering more than 40 years, no?
Yet the common theme is police allowed white girls to be assaulted because they were scared about race. Did that happen the whole time. I doubt cops were scared of this sheet 40 years ago, or remained scared for 40 years.
Furthermore, being scared of racial tensions isn't a reason to victim blame, which there was a lot of. Only a bribe turns the complainant into the accused. This happened because of sheet police work but they can get out by saying they were scared of racial tensions, coming from arguably the most racist institution there is.
posted on 31/7/24
Elvis
You said "A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
There's nothing in the report that suggests that's what happened, so how did you reach the conclusion above. TR has been using this bit from the report to drive a dangerous narrative that the cops and government are covering stuff up. The result is police officers getting beat up in the streets and too many people having no problem with it. It seems you believe it too while is amazing.
posted on 31/7/24
Let's be honest if those EDL protesters were taken out by the Police they would not be missed at all.
posted on 31/7/24
It's a real shame the media dampened the severity of the word racist by overusing it in the wrong context.
But, division was caused, so they are happy with what they have done.
posted on 1/8/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 12 hours, 28 minutes ago
Elvis
You said "A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale."
There's nothing in the report that suggests that's what happened, so how did you reach the conclusion above. TR has been using this bit from the report to drive a dangerous narrative that the cops and government are covering stuff up. The result is police officers getting beat up in the streets and too many people having no problem with it. It seems you believe it too while is amazing.
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I actually meant the Keighley abuse case, not the Rochdale one. I'm getting the details between the two mixed up.
posted on 1/8/24
That's an even worse example. A police cover up by UK police, of little white girls being abused by brown people?
Don't know how this has become so believable in this country. You gotta be kidding me.
posted on 1/8/24
I’m not going to pretend to know the absolute facts as to why it went on so long. But Mamba, how are you dismissing one theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up?
posted on 1/8/24
If you've been following the discussion then I'm not dismissing any theory. Elvis said this about Tommy Robinson
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale"
I simply challenged that statement and don't see any evidence to support it. It is actually a very dangerous thing to believe without proof. Didn't you see Tommy Robinson's clip yesterday? Or was it day before yesterday? He basically said people are angry and protesting because the authorities are covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities. So the same thing as Elvis. I am querying what that is based on and indicated that the report didn't back it up as Elvis claimed and now he's switched from Rochdale to Keighley, which also doesn't back it up IMO.
Is that what dismissing a theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up looks like to you?
posted on 1/8/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
If you've been following the discussion then I'm not dismissing any theory. Elvis said this about Tommy Robinson
"A lot of his anger come from the authorities covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities, ala Rochdale"
I simply challenged that statement and don't see any evidence to support it. It is actually a very dangerous thing to believe without proof. Didn't you see Tommy Robinson's clip yesterday? Or was it day before yesterday? He basically said people are angry and protesting because the authorities are covering up the systematic abuse of young girls in towns and cities. So the same thing as Elvis. I am querying what that is based on and indicated that the report didn't back it up as Elvis claimed and now he's switched from Rochdale to Keighley, which also doesn't back it up IMO.
Is that what dismissing a theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up looks like to you?
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But when you look at the reports you simply can’t dismiss the idea of a cover up, can you?
posted on 1/8/24
PM to meet police as Southport protests spread
Headline on the BBC. Why are they calling them protests? They’re just legitimising the riots.
posted on 1/8/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 21 minutes ago
That's an even worse example. A police cover up by UK police, of little white girls being abused by brown people?
Don't know how this has become so believable in this country. You gotta be kidding me.
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The MP for Keighley, who played a key role in charges being brought, certainly believed that was the reason. She has been very vocal about it. This is a lady that was dealing directly with the authorities trying get them to prosecute, so I think she will have a fair idea of the circumstances.
posted on 1/8/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
I’m not going to pretend to know the absolute facts as to why it went on so long. But Mamba, how are you dismissing one theory so easily but stating your own as absolute certainty but with nothing to back it up?
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Because that is what he does
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