Zubimendi has apparently rejected Liverpool. They'll be after Berge or McTominay now.
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've signed 5 former Ajax players in two years and we've also signed 3 further Dutch players and it's apparently my agenda?
This place cracks me up. đ
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He did. It was a recommendation put forward by the recruitment team.
It was also pretty clear that our first choice CB options were Branthwaite and Todibo - which surely lays to rest any ideas that ETH has the kind of sway over transfer decisions that he may have had previously (which, again I have to stress, was a club/structural issue, and not an ETH one. I know this will continue to be utterly lost on SE85 but I'm a glutton for punishment it seems).
As said eloquently by Berba.
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A club structural problem appointing a manager who had wasted 400 million + agreed
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So just to be clear, you think it's ETH fault for being given too much sway on transfers instead of there being a proper footballing structure in place to recruit to a game model like most well run clubs, but not only that... you blame him for the transfer fees as well??
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've signed 5 former Ajax players in two years and we've also signed 3 further Dutch players and it's apparently my agenda?
This place cracks me up. đ
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He did. It was a recommendation put forward by the recruitment team.
It was also pretty clear that our first choice CB options were Branthwaite and Todibo - which surely lays to rest any ideas that ETH has the kind of sway over transfer decisions that he may have had previously (which, again I have to stress, was a club/structural issue, and not an ETH one. I know this will continue to be utterly lost on SE85 but I'm a glutton for punishment it seems).
As said eloquently by Berba.
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A club structural problem appointing a manager who had wasted 400 million + agreed
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So just to be clear, you think it's ETH fault for being given too much sway on transfers instead of there being a proper footballing structure in place to recruit to a game model like most well run clubs, but not only that... you blame him for the transfer fees as well??
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This tired old excuse again? Jesus Christ. đ
Think we are all in agreement he shouldn't have had the input he was afforded but that doesn't give him a free pass I'm afraid.
You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though. No doubt if we finish 6th or 7th and don't win anything this time it will be because INEOS haven't given him everything he needed.
You can still 100% criticise his transfers even if you are of the belief he shouldn't have been the one who chose them. Of course you can as he knew Antony better than anyone and he should have known he's barely a PL level player nevermind a United level player.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've signed 5 former Ajax players in two years and we've also signed 3 further Dutch players and it's apparently my agenda?
This place cracks me up. đ
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He did. It was a recommendation put forward by the recruitment team.
It was also pretty clear that our first choice CB options were Branthwaite and Todibo - which surely lays to rest any ideas that ETH has the kind of sway over transfer decisions that he may have had previously (which, again I have to stress, was a club/structural issue, and not an ETH one. I know this will continue to be utterly lost on SE85 but I'm a glutton for punishment it seems).
As said eloquently by Berba.
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A club structural problem appointing a manager who had wasted 400 million + agreed
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So just to be clear, you think it's ETH fault for being given too much sway on transfers instead of there being a proper footballing structure in place to recruit to a game model like most well run clubs, but not only that... you blame him for the transfer fees as well??
Just think he hasn’t been very astute spending the money, he is a serious employee on 9 million a year, he has wasted a ton of cash and overseen our worst prem season in history, what you see in the guy I have no idea to justify in anyway he has been let down by others.
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
Some would say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe he's had no input here.
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Wait, who said he's had *no* input?
We know the club had put forward Todibo, Branthwaite and Yoro (you're surely not suggesting these are ETH candidates). The one you thought must be from ETH was actually addressed by ETH directly and said the club put him forward as well.
De Ligt has played for two other European giants since he last played under ETH. It's more of a leap at that point to suggest that it's ETH's recommendation (setting aside the fact he has directly said otherwise) given the elapsed time, and had we not been prevented from signing Todibo or JB for their own unique reasons, we'd likely not have gone for De Ligt anyway (meaning ETH, if he has the sway you're suggesting, was more than happy to gives a thumbs up to those recommendations - just as you must believe he did with Yoro).
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 13 minutes ago
Zubimendi has apparently rejected Liverpool. They'll be after Berge or McTominay now.
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ETH is checking his passport and family history right now. Just post a pic of you smoking a joint and sniffing tulips Zubi, and you’ll be here faster than clogs with rockets attached…
Didn't ETH say in an interview that the De Ligt opportunity came through the scouting network and DoF office? He didn't come up with the idea, but obviously jumped on it when it became an option.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
Some would say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe he's had no input here.
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Wait, who said he's had *no* input?
We know the club had put forward Todibo, Branthwaite and Yoro (you're surely not suggesting these are ETH candidates). The one you thought must be from ETH was actually addressed by ETH directly and said the club put him forward as well.
De Ligt has played for two other European giants since he last played under ETH. It's more of a leap at that point to suggest that it's ETH's recommendation (setting aside the fact he has directly said otherwise) given the elapsed time, and had we not been prevented from signing Todibo or JB for their own unique reasons, we'd likely not have gone for De Ligt anyway (meaning ETH, if he has the sway you're suggesting, was more than happy to gives a thumbs up to those recommendations - just as you must believe he did with Yoro).
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Onana played for Inter in-between as well so clearly that one was not related to the fact the manager knew him and his game either?
You're very pro Ten Hag so you're very easily gaslighted. These two deals today might well be masterclasses and let's hope they are but they are very much his transfers in my opinion and very little to do with INEOS.
Yoro I can understand given the French League links but Branthwaite is hardly an unknown player. He was one of the standout players in his position in the PL last season. My ten year old knows who he is. And isn't it being said that Ruud highly recommend him as he had him on loan? Another coincidence?
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
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I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
We've signed 5 former ETH players now and 3 further Dutch players.
And you gave an example of Branthwaite as a main INEOS target who has previously played under Ruud on loan in Holland. Just happened to be appointed our new assistant this summer in another amazing coincidence.
As I said above......you will see a very different window next summer I believe. A summer where the recruitment team will have had more than a few weeks to throw a plan together.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
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I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
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This will go over his head with a response of blah blah blah, moron, blind moron, supporting the manager kinda narrative.
He's just upset chemical Jim did the right thing and kept ETH on.
It's a prejudice he has towards the Dutch now like his South American obsession.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
--------------------------------
I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
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This will go over his head with a response of blah blah blah, moron, blind moron, supporting the manager kinda narrative.
He's just upset chemical Jim did the right thing and kept ETH on.
It's a prejudice he has towards the Dutch now like his South American obsession.
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To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out?
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
Some would say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe he's had no input here.
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Wait, who said he's had *no* input?
We know the club had put forward Todibo, Branthwaite and Yoro (you're surely not suggesting these are ETH candidates). The one you thought must be from ETH was actually addressed by ETH directly and said the club put him forward as well.
De Ligt has played for two other European giants since he last played under ETH. It's more of a leap at that point to suggest that it's ETH's recommendation (setting aside the fact he has directly said otherwise) given the elapsed time, and had we not been prevented from signing Todibo or JB for their own unique reasons, we'd likely not have gone for De Ligt anyway (meaning ETH, if he has the sway you're suggesting, was more than happy to gives a thumbs up to those recommendations - just as you must believe he did with Yoro).
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Onana played for Inter in-between as well so clearly that one was not related to the fact the manager knew him and his game either?
You're very pro Ten Hag so you're very easily gaslighted. These two deals today might well be masterclasses and let's hope they are but they are very much his transfers in my opinion and very little to do with INEOS.
Yoro I can understand given the French League links but Branthwaite is hardly an unknown player. He was one of the standout players in his position in the PL last season. My ten year old knows who he is. And isn't it being said that Ruud highly recommend him as he had him on loan? Another coincidence?
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I think you're showing yourself to be one of the stupidest posters on here, so I'll make this my last reply:
1. "very pro Ten Hag"? On what basis? I've been consistently critical of the tactical issues we saw last season (but also recognise our squad is poor and injuries were devastating). On what planet is that "very pro ETH"? Surely that's about as on the fence as it gets...
2. Onana was a standout GK in Europe at Inter. I suspect ETH did have sway on that (which again, is ultimately the fault of lack of footballing structure under the Glazers), but it's also clear that Onana simply had a poor season compared to what he did at Inter. Had he maintained his level at Inter, we'd be having a different kind of discussion about him. We signed plenty of bad GK's under Fergie as well that on paper looked good and had shown quality elsewhere. It happens.
3. You have no actual evidence that these two transfers from Bayern "have very little to do with INEOS", and you're dismissing ETH's own remarks on De Ligt, presumably because it's inconvenient for you.
4. What does Branthwaite being known have to do with it? Todibo is known, Yoro is known... We'd bid for Branthwaite before RvN joined us (twice, actually!). There's zero evidence for the claim that RvN recommended Branthwaite (why would he need to make that recommendation anyway? Even your 10yr old knows who he is!)
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
--------------------------------
I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
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This will go over his head with a response of blah blah blah, moron, blind moron, supporting the manager kinda narrative.
He's just upset chemical Jim did the right thing and kept ETH on.
It's a prejudice he has towards the Dutch now like his South American obsession.
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I have absolutely zero prejudice about Dutch players. Ruud is one of my favourite ever players.
And this discussion isn't even about the quality of the players and impact they can have you absolute cretin. You'd have noticed I said 'lets hope they are masterclasses' if you hadn't gone off on your agenda rant like normal.
My point was only that they are his signings not that they weren't good enough. đ
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 17 minutes ago
Didn't ETH say in an interview that the De Ligt opportunity came through the scouting network and DoF office? He didn't come up with the idea, but obviously jumped on it when it became an option.
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Why have you got such a raging hard on for ETH? Stop defending him at all costs and just be angry based on speculation like all the sensible people, please.
All I can say is it just stinks. His opinion matters still and why not? ETH is still the manager. But his track record is frankly woeful. Only players his influence can be said to have performed are our young players.
We will see how it pans out. I'm a bit hopeful but he was rightfully sacked last season I'll bet we will see fewer Dutch connected players and managers. Oh well
To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out
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I can only assume you are not being serious.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out
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I can only assume you are not being serious.
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I don't think he was. Always sceptical of people with no usernames. It's probably one of Barry's 101 accounts. đ
Of course there's been loads of good ones. Ruud,Bergkamp, Van Persie, Van De Sar etc.
My point wasn't even Dutch specific either which started that conversation off. Onana, Lisandro, Antony and Mazraoui aren't even Dutch either. It was that there's a very clear ETH / Ajax link that's still happening.
I also forgot Eriksen earlier too. He never played for Erik of course but did come from Ajax. So that's 6 former Ajax players now plus a few Dutch players added in for good measure.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 hours, 49 minutes ago
To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out
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I can only assume you are not being serious.
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Guilty. The irony is that we would bite your hand off for a Stam, VDS or RVN just now.
Always entertaining when se85 talks absolute bollllocks.
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Those Branthwaite stories aren't going away either.
Three CBs purchased would be a bit too much in some ways but perhaps it's a different set up ETH is going with eventually where we're strong and comfortable bringing the ball out from the back.
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Don’t believe it, I think we’ll sign a CM and we’re done.
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I doubt it too but wouldn't be too surprised either. Yoro, De Ligt, Martinez, Branthwaite would give us great options and I'm sure Yoro and Branthwaite would be used at FB at times too. Well nominally at FB anyway.
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Centre halves being converted to full backs seems all the rage these days.
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I wonder if that might be the plan. I know we were short but Licha started at LB on Saturday. Think Branthwaite could play there if we were to go and get him.
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posted on 12/8/24
Zubimendi has apparently rejected Liverpool. They'll be after Berge or McTominay now.
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've signed 5 former Ajax players in two years and we've also signed 3 further Dutch players and it's apparently my agenda?
This place cracks me up. đ
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He did. It was a recommendation put forward by the recruitment team.
It was also pretty clear that our first choice CB options were Branthwaite and Todibo - which surely lays to rest any ideas that ETH has the kind of sway over transfer decisions that he may have had previously (which, again I have to stress, was a club/structural issue, and not an ETH one. I know this will continue to be utterly lost on SE85 but I'm a glutton for punishment it seems).
As said eloquently by Berba.
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A club structural problem appointing a manager who had wasted 400 million + agreed
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So just to be clear, you think it's ETH fault for being given too much sway on transfers instead of there being a proper footballing structure in place to recruit to a game model like most well run clubs, but not only that... you blame him for the transfer fees as well??
posted on 12/8/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've signed 5 former Ajax players in two years and we've also signed 3 further Dutch players and it's apparently my agenda?
This place cracks me up. đ
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He did. It was a recommendation put forward by the recruitment team.
It was also pretty clear that our first choice CB options were Branthwaite and Todibo - which surely lays to rest any ideas that ETH has the kind of sway over transfer decisions that he may have had previously (which, again I have to stress, was a club/structural issue, and not an ETH one. I know this will continue to be utterly lost on SE85 but I'm a glutton for punishment it seems).
As said eloquently by Berba.
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A club structural problem appointing a manager who had wasted 400 million + agreed
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So just to be clear, you think it's ETH fault for being given too much sway on transfers instead of there being a proper footballing structure in place to recruit to a game model like most well run clubs, but not only that... you blame him for the transfer fees as well??
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This tired old excuse again? Jesus Christ. đ
Think we are all in agreement he shouldn't have had the input he was afforded but that doesn't give him a free pass I'm afraid.
You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though. No doubt if we finish 6th or 7th and don't win anything this time it will be because INEOS haven't given him everything he needed.
You can still 100% criticise his transfers even if you are of the belief he shouldn't have been the one who chose them. Of course you can as he knew Antony better than anyone and he should have known he's barely a PL level player nevermind a United level player.
posted on 12/8/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've signed 5 former Ajax players in two years and we've also signed 3 further Dutch players and it's apparently my agenda?
This place cracks me up. đ
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He did. It was a recommendation put forward by the recruitment team.
It was also pretty clear that our first choice CB options were Branthwaite and Todibo - which surely lays to rest any ideas that ETH has the kind of sway over transfer decisions that he may have had previously (which, again I have to stress, was a club/structural issue, and not an ETH one. I know this will continue to be utterly lost on SE85 but I'm a glutton for punishment it seems).
As said eloquently by Berba.
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A club structural problem appointing a manager who had wasted 400 million + agreed
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So just to be clear, you think it's ETH fault for being given too much sway on transfers instead of there being a proper footballing structure in place to recruit to a game model like most well run clubs, but not only that... you blame him for the transfer fees as well??
Just think he hasn’t been very astute spending the money, he is a serious employee on 9 million a year, he has wasted a ton of cash and overseen our worst prem season in history, what you see in the guy I have no idea to justify in anyway he has been let down by others.
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posted on 12/8/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
Some would say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe he's had no input here.
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Wait, who said he's had *no* input?
We know the club had put forward Todibo, Branthwaite and Yoro (you're surely not suggesting these are ETH candidates). The one you thought must be from ETH was actually addressed by ETH directly and said the club put him forward as well.
De Ligt has played for two other European giants since he last played under ETH. It's more of a leap at that point to suggest that it's ETH's recommendation (setting aside the fact he has directly said otherwise) given the elapsed time, and had we not been prevented from signing Todibo or JB for their own unique reasons, we'd likely not have gone for De Ligt anyway (meaning ETH, if he has the sway you're suggesting, was more than happy to gives a thumbs up to those recommendations - just as you must believe he did with Yoro).
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 13 minutes ago
Zubimendi has apparently rejected Liverpool. They'll be after Berge or McTominay now.
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ETH is checking his passport and family history right now. Just post a pic of you smoking a joint and sniffing tulips Zubi, and you’ll be here faster than clogs with rockets attached…
posted on 12/8/24
Didn't ETH say in an interview that the De Ligt opportunity came through the scouting network and DoF office? He didn't come up with the idea, but obviously jumped on it when it became an option.
posted on 12/8/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
Some would say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe he's had no input here.
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Wait, who said he's had *no* input?
We know the club had put forward Todibo, Branthwaite and Yoro (you're surely not suggesting these are ETH candidates). The one you thought must be from ETH was actually addressed by ETH directly and said the club put him forward as well.
De Ligt has played for two other European giants since he last played under ETH. It's more of a leap at that point to suggest that it's ETH's recommendation (setting aside the fact he has directly said otherwise) given the elapsed time, and had we not been prevented from signing Todibo or JB for their own unique reasons, we'd likely not have gone for De Ligt anyway (meaning ETH, if he has the sway you're suggesting, was more than happy to gives a thumbs up to those recommendations - just as you must believe he did with Yoro).
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Onana played for Inter in-between as well so clearly that one was not related to the fact the manager knew him and his game either?
You're very pro Ten Hag so you're very easily gaslighted. These two deals today might well be masterclasses and let's hope they are but they are very much his transfers in my opinion and very little to do with INEOS.
Yoro I can understand given the French League links but Branthwaite is hardly an unknown player. He was one of the standout players in his position in the PL last season. My ten year old knows who he is. And isn't it being said that Ruud highly recommend him as he had him on loan? Another coincidence?
posted on 12/8/24
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
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I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
posted on 12/8/24
We've signed 5 former ETH players now and 3 further Dutch players.
And you gave an example of Branthwaite as a main INEOS target who has previously played under Ruud on loan in Holland. Just happened to be appointed our new assistant this summer in another amazing coincidence.
As I said above......you will see a very different window next summer I believe. A summer where the recruitment team will have had more than a few weeks to throw a plan together.
posted on 12/8/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
--------------------------------
I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
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This will go over his head with a response of blah blah blah, moron, blind moron, supporting the manager kinda narrative.
He's just upset chemical Jim did the right thing and kept ETH on.
It's a prejudice he has towards the Dutch now like his South American obsession.
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
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I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
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This will go over his head with a response of blah blah blah, moron, blind moron, supporting the manager kinda narrative.
He's just upset chemical Jim did the right thing and kept ETH on.
It's a prejudice he has towards the Dutch now like his South American obsession.
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To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out?
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
Some would say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe he's had no input here.
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Wait, who said he's had *no* input?
We know the club had put forward Todibo, Branthwaite and Yoro (you're surely not suggesting these are ETH candidates). The one you thought must be from ETH was actually addressed by ETH directly and said the club put him forward as well.
De Ligt has played for two other European giants since he last played under ETH. It's more of a leap at that point to suggest that it's ETH's recommendation (setting aside the fact he has directly said otherwise) given the elapsed time, and had we not been prevented from signing Todibo or JB for their own unique reasons, we'd likely not have gone for De Ligt anyway (meaning ETH, if he has the sway you're suggesting, was more than happy to gives a thumbs up to those recommendations - just as you must believe he did with Yoro).
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Onana played for Inter in-between as well so clearly that one was not related to the fact the manager knew him and his game either?
You're very pro Ten Hag so you're very easily gaslighted. These two deals today might well be masterclasses and let's hope they are but they are very much his transfers in my opinion and very little to do with INEOS.
Yoro I can understand given the French League links but Branthwaite is hardly an unknown player. He was one of the standout players in his position in the PL last season. My ten year old knows who he is. And isn't it being said that Ruud highly recommend him as he had him on loan? Another coincidence?
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I think you're showing yourself to be one of the stupidest posters on here, so I'll make this my last reply:
1. "very pro Ten Hag"? On what basis? I've been consistently critical of the tactical issues we saw last season (but also recognise our squad is poor and injuries were devastating). On what planet is that "very pro ETH"? Surely that's about as on the fence as it gets...
2. Onana was a standout GK in Europe at Inter. I suspect ETH did have sway on that (which again, is ultimately the fault of lack of footballing structure under the Glazers), but it's also clear that Onana simply had a poor season compared to what he did at Inter. Had he maintained his level at Inter, we'd be having a different kind of discussion about him. We signed plenty of bad GK's under Fergie as well that on paper looked good and had shown quality elsewhere. It happens.
3. You have no actual evidence that these two transfers from Bayern "have very little to do with INEOS", and you're dismissing ETH's own remarks on De Ligt, presumably because it's inconvenient for you.
4. What does Branthwaite being known have to do with it? Todibo is known, Yoro is known... We'd bid for Branthwaite before RvN joined us (twice, actually!). There's zero evidence for the claim that RvN recommended Branthwaite (why would he need to make that recommendation anyway? Even your 10yr old knows who he is!)
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
SE85:
"You lot will continue to make every excuse under the sun for him though."
and Frank:
"what you see in the guy I have no idea"
--------------------------------
I have all the same reservations that everyone else has about the style of football, tactics etc.
I do not however hold a football coach to account for being given tasks beyond his expertise. We signed ETH to coach the team. We did not sign him to be head scout, DoF or chief negotiator. If you give people roles beyond their expertise and it inevitably fails, the blame lies squarely with those that placed those persons in positions they never should have been in.
ETH clearly has excellent support now; we've appointed best in class personnel across key positions of the sporting operation and even brought in excellent, talented coaches with managerial experience alongside him. We're clearly now recruiting to a more stringent set of player criteria (younger, athletic, technical), and as such we should expect to see improvements to the way we play this season. If we fail to progress then he should be moved on.
I don't see how my position above bears any resemblance to what I've quoted you both as having said.
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This will go over his head with a response of blah blah blah, moron, blind moron, supporting the manager kinda narrative.
He's just upset chemical Jim did the right thing and kept ETH on.
It's a prejudice he has towards the Dutch now like his South American obsession.
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I have absolutely zero prejudice about Dutch players. Ruud is one of my favourite ever players.
And this discussion isn't even about the quality of the players and impact they can have you absolute cretin. You'd have noticed I said 'lets hope they are masterclasses' if you hadn't gone off on your agenda rant like normal.
My point was only that they are his signings not that they weren't good enough. đ
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 17 minutes ago
Didn't ETH say in an interview that the De Ligt opportunity came through the scouting network and DoF office? He didn't come up with the idea, but obviously jumped on it when it became an option.
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Why have you got such a raging hard on for ETH? Stop defending him at all costs and just be angry based on speculation like all the sensible people, please.
posted on 12/8/24
All I can say is it just stinks. His opinion matters still and why not? ETH is still the manager. But his track record is frankly woeful. Only players his influence can be said to have performed are our young players.
We will see how it pans out. I'm a bit hopeful but he was rightfully sacked last season I'll bet we will see fewer Dutch connected players and managers. Oh well
posted on 12/8/24
To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out
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I can only assume you are not being serious.
posted on 12/8/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out
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I can only assume you are not being serious.
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I don't think he was. Always sceptical of people with no usernames. It's probably one of Barry's 101 accounts. đ
Of course there's been loads of good ones. Ruud,Bergkamp, Van Persie, Van De Sar etc.
My point wasn't even Dutch specific either which started that conversation off. Onana, Lisandro, Antony and Mazraoui aren't even Dutch either. It was that there's a very clear ETH / Ajax link that's still happening.
I also forgot Eriksen earlier too. He never played for Erik of course but did come from Ajax. So that's 6 former Ajax players now plus a few Dutch players added in for good measure.
posted on 13/8/24
Jesus Christ
posted on 13/8/24
LOL. This place.
posted on 13/8/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 hours, 49 minutes ago
To be fair i'm struggling to think of ONE Dutch player who has been successful in the EPL. Can anyone help me out
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I can only assume you are not being serious.
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Guilty. The irony is that we would bite your hand off for a Stam, VDS or RVN just now.
posted on 13/8/24
Always entertaining when se85 talks absolute bollllocks.
posted on 13/8/24
and a couple of others
posted on 13/8/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 đ´ó §ó ˘ó ˇó Źó łó ż (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 đ´ó §ó ˘ó ˇó Źó łó ż (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Those Branthwaite stories aren't going away either.
Three CBs purchased would be a bit too much in some ways but perhaps it's a different set up ETH is going with eventually where we're strong and comfortable bringing the ball out from the back.
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Don’t believe it, I think we’ll sign a CM and we’re done.
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I doubt it too but wouldn't be too surprised either. Yoro, De Ligt, Martinez, Branthwaite would give us great options and I'm sure Yoro and Branthwaite would be used at FB at times too. Well nominally at FB anyway.
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Centre halves being converted to full backs seems all the rage these days.
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I wonder if that might be the plan. I know we were short but Licha started at LB on Saturday. Think Branthwaite could play there if we were to go and get him.
posted on 13/8/24
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