comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
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Australia is very much a multicultural country. I’m assuming you’ve never been here
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Interesting assumption.
Mine is that you're white and get invited to barbecues, and don't have the inherent ability to sniff out the undertones of racism in any given place.
Do the Aussies still throw dwarves across the bar?
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
As rosso and others have touched upon, Australia has an extremely dark past of physical and cultural genocide, which is also much more recent than might be thought.
Even as late as the 1970s, the country still had laws in place allowing the abduction and semi-enslavement of its aboriginal peoples, which would certainly explain at least in part their reluctance to dwell on the past too much.
For anyone interested, Sven Lindqvist's "Terra Nullius" is a very enlightening (albeit depressing) read on the topic.
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sure, but do they repeat "the most shocking moments from the 1980s" on a regular basis?
if not, they appear to have gotten over it all, as should we i guess.
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Second that recommendation.
Should be required reading in secondary schools across Western Europe and its still white-dominated colonies.
you guys are pretty weird
You have to live in the now when every time you go to the dunny you have to keep an eye out for deadly snakes, spiders, plants etc.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 52 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Sounds a fun read that.
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 52 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Sounds a fun read that.
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It is, actually. The guy had a great sense of humour, which I'd argue is a fundamental requisite for engaging most readers in such heavy subject matter.
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 21 minutes ago
you guys are pretty weird
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Bit harsh on our Antipodean cousins
Of course there’s lots of differences and this one is mainly because England actually has history 😂 but one of the biggest things I’ve noticed here is a real lack of focus on the past. Back when watching TV in the UK there would be some history show or even some channel 5 ‘best of 1981’ countdown etc. Growing up with that kind of obsession with the past you can see why so many English people are little Englanders and really do partake in a bit of flag shaagging.
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This is one of Robb's posts from a few days ago.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/463410
So reading this it seems Oz isn't more progressive after all.
Because of the marginalisation of the Aborigines, they haven't really got much to go on apart from a few Ashes wins and Alf from Home and Away.
They spawned Holly Valance as well, a Nigel Farage acolyte.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Second that recommendation.
Should be required reading in secondary schools across Western Europe and its still white-dominated colonies.
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Do you think secondary students have the intellectual capacity to consume that kind of history, though? Especially when you consider the failing education systems across the West.
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Second that recommendation.
Should be required reading in secondary schools across Western Europe and its still white-dominated colonies.
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Do you think secondary students have the intellectual capacity to consume that kind of history, though? Especially when you consider the failing education systems across the West.
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Set it to a dance on TikTok. They’ll know it backwards in not time
You put your white leg in
Your white leg out
In out in out f**k the natives out
You do the Hong Kongoky and you turn about
Colonialisms what it's all about oh
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
Of all the 'western' world for want of a better phrase, the Aussies are the furthest behind with regard to how they see women. Sexism is still all over, adverts, tv etc.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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I'm currently reading Thomas Packenham's "The Scramble for Africa, 1876-1912", which is an exhaustive 1500-page account of the height of the European Empires' land grab in Africa, that provides extensive details on the political and foreign policy wranglings of the time.
There was definitely a lot more opposition to colonisation than is generally taken for granted nowadays, both amongst intellectuals and politicians, especially on the left, so it's nowhere near as simple as "that's just what it was like back then."
Nobody would brush aside any criticism of the South African Apartheid of the 1970s or 80s saying that's just what it was like towards the end of the 20th century, because it belongs to what we call living memory. It's very easy to say what it was like when it comes to the 1800s, but a lot of it is based on received wisdom that doesn't always stand up to closer scrutiny.
There’s always been some opposition to colonialism. Even the church were questioning the treatment of the natives when Columbus came back from the New World.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
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Genuine question by the way, not being snarky.
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posted on 29/8/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
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Australia is very much a multicultural country. I’m assuming you’ve never been here
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Interesting assumption.
Mine is that you're white and get invited to barbecues, and don't have the inherent ability to sniff out the undertones of racism in any given place.
posted on 29/8/24
Do the Aussies still throw dwarves across the bar?
posted on 29/8/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
As rosso and others have touched upon, Australia has an extremely dark past of physical and cultural genocide, which is also much more recent than might be thought.
Even as late as the 1970s, the country still had laws in place allowing the abduction and semi-enslavement of its aboriginal peoples, which would certainly explain at least in part their reluctance to dwell on the past too much.
For anyone interested, Sven Lindqvist's "Terra Nullius" is a very enlightening (albeit depressing) read on the topic.
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sure, but do they repeat "the most shocking moments from the 1980s" on a regular basis?
if not, they appear to have gotten over it all, as should we i guess.
posted on 29/8/24
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
posted on 29/8/24
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
posted on 29/8/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Second that recommendation.
Should be required reading in secondary schools across Western Europe and its still white-dominated colonies.
posted on 29/8/24
you guys are pretty weird
posted on 29/8/24
You have to live in the now when every time you go to the dunny you have to keep an eye out for deadly snakes, spiders, plants etc.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 52 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Sounds a fun read that.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 52 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Sounds a fun read that.
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It is, actually. The guy had a great sense of humour, which I'd argue is a fundamental requisite for engaging most readers in such heavy subject matter.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 21 minutes ago
you guys are pretty weird
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Bit harsh on our Antipodean cousins
posted on 29/8/24
Of course there’s lots of differences and this one is mainly because England actually has history 😂 but one of the biggest things I’ve noticed here is a real lack of focus on the past. Back when watching TV in the UK there would be some history show or even some channel 5 ‘best of 1981’ countdown etc. Growing up with that kind of obsession with the past you can see why so many English people are little Englanders and really do partake in a bit of flag shaagging.
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This is one of Robb's posts from a few days ago.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/463410
posted on 29/8/24
So reading this it seems Oz isn't more progressive after all.
posted on 29/8/24
Because of the marginalisation of the Aborigines, they haven't really got much to go on apart from a few Ashes wins and Alf from Home and Away.
posted on 29/8/24
They spawned Holly Valance as well, a Nigel Farage acolyte.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Second that recommendation.
Should be required reading in secondary schools across Western Europe and its still white-dominated colonies.
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Do you think secondary students have the intellectual capacity to consume that kind of history, though? Especially when you consider the failing education systems across the West.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Btw, Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is also an excellent read on the broader topic of settler colonialism and genocide. It very clearly illustrates how the Naaazi genocides, far from being an exception, were more of a continuation of the European powers' colonial projects. Still applicable to Israel's colonial project today, imo.
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Second that recommendation.
Should be required reading in secondary schools across Western Europe and its still white-dominated colonies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think secondary students have the intellectual capacity to consume that kind of history, though? Especially when you consider the failing education systems across the West.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Set it to a dance on TikTok. They’ll know it backwards in not time
posted on 29/8/24
You put your white leg in
Your white leg out
In out in out f**k the natives out
You do the Hong Kongoky and you turn about
Colonialisms what it's all about oh
posted on 29/8/24
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
posted on 29/8/24
Of all the 'western' world for want of a better phrase, the Aussies are the furthest behind with regard to how they see women. Sexism is still all over, adverts, tv etc.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm currently reading Thomas Packenham's "The Scramble for Africa, 1876-1912", which is an exhaustive 1500-page account of the height of the European Empires' land grab in Africa, that provides extensive details on the political and foreign policy wranglings of the time.
There was definitely a lot more opposition to colonisation than is generally taken for granted nowadays, both amongst intellectuals and politicians, especially on the left, so it's nowhere near as simple as "that's just what it was like back then."
Nobody would brush aside any criticism of the South African Apartheid of the 1970s or 80s saying that's just what it was like towards the end of the 20th century, because it belongs to what we call living memory. It's very easy to say what it was like when it comes to the 1800s, but a lot of it is based on received wisdom that doesn't always stand up to closer scrutiny.
posted on 29/8/24
There’s always been some opposition to colonialism. Even the church were questioning the treatment of the natives when Columbus came back from the New World.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
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Genuine question by the way, not being snarky.
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