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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
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As far back as when we rocked up on continents, inhabited by the same indigenous people for countless millennia, and committed without reason beyond greed wholesale acts of genocide, ecocide, enslavement, raape, and theft of resources and land.
That far.
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
Meanwhile:
‘An Aboriginal teenager has died by suicide at a youth prison in Perth, Western Australia (WA).
The 17-year-old had spent only two days in custody before he was found unresponsive in his cell on Thursday and could not be revived, state authorities say.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are the most incarcerated people on the planet and also die in custody at far higher rates than non-Indigenous Australians...
Australia has been under international pressure to raise the age of criminal responsibility - which in some state is as low as 10, and disproportionately affects First Nations kids.
The conditions in youth detention centres have also drawn international criticism, including from the UN, which claims they breach international law, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
"This was a preventable death. How many times, by how many experts, does the WA government need to be warned about the dangers of their youth detention centres?" Amnesty International's Kacey Teerman said in a statement.‘
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jlk8e1ekxo
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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yes and I'm one of them although also moved for economic reasons (which will be the case for most migrants too). Sadly Australia has got a lot worse in that regard since I arrived a bit over a decade ago, that said the UK has probably been even worse!
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
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To not speak English? They can do that in facking Blackpool
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
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To not speak English? They can do that in facking Blackpool
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badly worded, my English isn't great tbf
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
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Aussies come here to claim benefits and do cash-in-hand jobs
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 seconds ago
Of course Australia has a past, they just choose to ignore it and the people who have lived on the land the longest.
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That’s not strictly true . Whilst what the English did to the indigenous people was absolutely shocking and even to this day the inequalities suffered by them needs a lot of work you’d be surprised how much progress has been made with welcome to country ceremonies, name changes of landmarks and locations back to indigenous names and ownership as well as apologies made.
A long way to go but certainly better than the equivalent in the Middle East and the Americas amongst others.
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That right? Tell us about these policies. I don't see much difference in treatment of indigenous people between here and Oz. Except Natives here do own some of their traditional lands.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 20 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
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Apparently that depends on your Religion. 6-7 thousand years? Seems to be about right according to some posters on here.👍
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
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what are the negatives though?
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
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what are the negatives though?
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we get to use words like dunny. galah, thongs etc, you get me Bruce!
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
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what are the negatives though?
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These weird shuffling, horrific, aggressive unintelligible creatures. I think they are called Australians
Bump!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqz8gyp500o
I suppose that's what Robb meant by 'a real lack of focus on the past'.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
Bump!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqz8gyp500o
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That's horrific. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
Bump!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqz8gyp500o
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It’s a difficult dilemma as the levels of crime from indigenous children is absolutely OTT in the NT.
Getting them off the streets is a priority not just for their sakes but for the sakes of the innocent people caught up in the crime wave that is happening in places like Alice Springs.
Rather than being put in an adult jail or whatever this proposes I’d have them put somewhere where they can be treated for substance abuse where it’s still a custodial sentence but a place built specifically to get them educated and ready to reenter society.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 8 minutes ago
I suppose that's what Robb meant by 'a real lack of focus on the past'.
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Please refrain from snide comments. Thanks 👍
It was an attempt at being humorous, not snide. Apologies if it erred the target.
They had an unofficial policy of culling feral kids when I was in Brazil, I suppose jailing them is slightly more humane
The reality of Australia's current aboriginal issues (for lack of a better word) is still very, very much fecked up, don't think you can remotely understand this until you live here for a while.
On the one hand you have the attempt to promote/celebrate the culture, the show that gets put on for the outside world.
There's stuff on TV or before events, like thanking and paying respect to the elders of whatever land you're using for commercial gain (always feels to me like cynical nonsense) but largely harmless.
There's live performances or indigenous music and dancing.
Story telling.
All nice stuff really if not token at times.
But the reality for I guess the vast majority of Aboriginals here is crime and addiction, a life separate to the non indigenous Australian's but certainly not in some positive way that celebrates an ancient culture.
The vast majority of interactions with Aboriginal people that I or people I know have had during travels from one side of Australia to another is negative. Just imagine either individuals or groups of aggressive drunk or drugged people either fighting with themselves, trying to fight you or just so out of it they can't tell which way is up.
It's a horrible shame and without doubt due to the genocide, abuse and suppression of previous generations by "invaders" (an entirely fair name given the reality).
You can completely understand why these problems exist and have upmost sympathy, but you'd also do everything in your power to avoid these troubled people during your day to day life.
The solution is not simple at all, you're talking about trying to break cycles of substance and physical abuse that go back several generations now. I know people who've worked in "aboriginal towns", places where drink is banned and people get tokens for food, of course drink and drugs still get in, there's violence, inshest (spelling) and imo almost no hope for anyone born into that world.
In major Cities you have these problems too, rates of mental illness, addiction and life expectancy are horrendous for aboriginal people in those too. There's people who thankfully buck this trend but I believe they're very much a small minority at this moment in time and it's going to be a long and painful road to recovery, if there's a recovery at all.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 19 minutes ago
The reality of Australia's current aboriginal issues (for lack of a better word) is still very, very much fecked up, don't think you can remotely understand this until you live here for a while.
On the one hand you have the attempt to promote/celebrate the culture, the show that gets put on for the outside world.
There's stuff on TV or before events, like thanking and paying respect to the elders of whatever land you're using for commercial gain (always feels to me like cynical nonsense) but largely harmless.
There's live performances or indigenous music and dancing.
Story telling.
All nice stuff really if not token at times.
But the reality for I guess the vast majority of Aboriginals here is crime and addiction, a life separate to the non indigenous Australian's but certainly not in some positive way that celebrates an ancient culture.
The vast majority of interactions with Aboriginal people that I or people I know have had during travels from one side of Australia to another is negative. Just imagine either individuals or groups of aggressive drunk or drugged people either fighting with themselves, trying to fight you or just so out of it they can't tell which way is up.
It's a horrible shame and without doubt due to the genocide, abuse and suppression of previous generations by "invaders" (an entirely fair name given the reality).
You can completely understand why these problems exist and have upmost sympathy, but you'd also do everything in your power to avoid these troubled people during your day to day life.
The solution is not simple at all, you're talking about trying to break cycles of substance and physical abuse that go back several generations now. I know people who've worked in "aboriginal towns", places where drink is banned and people get tokens for food, of course drink and drugs still get in, there's violence, inshest (spelling) and imo almost no hope for anyone born into that world.
In major Cities you have these problems too, rates of mental illness, addiction and life expectancy are horrendous for aboriginal people in those too. There's people who thankfully buck this trend but I believe they're very much a small minority at this moment in time and it's going to be a long and painful road to recovery, if there's a recovery at all.
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It is a very strange paradox. In some ways what is done to recognise the crimes of the past by modern day Australians is something you just wouldn’t see en masse in the UK. (Imagine a referendum to give back the Koh-i-Noor diamond to India and recognise the crimes against the Indians by the British empire in modern day England supported by Labour).
There is a huge attempt to look back on the crimes done and find ways to heal by many people in Australia. But giving back land and apologies can only go so far with deep routed problems in Indigenous communities are almost un fixable.
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
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It is a very strange paradox. In some ways what is done to recognise the crimes of the past by modern day Australians is something you just wouldn’t see en masse in the UK. (Imagine a referendum to give back the Koh-i-Noor diamond to India and recognise the crimes against the Indians by the British empire in modern day England supported by Labour).
There is a huge attempt to look back on the crimes done and find ways to heal by many people in Australia. But giving back land and apologies can only go so far with deep routed problems in Indigenous communities are almost un fixable.
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There's a major difference Robb.
Britain no longer occupies the scene of the vast majority of its crimes.
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A difference between England and Australia
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posted on 29/8/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
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As far back as when we rocked up on continents, inhabited by the same indigenous people for countless millennia, and committed without reason beyond greed wholesale acts of genocide, ecocide, enslavement, raape, and theft of resources and land.
That far.
posted on 30/8/24
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
posted on 30/8/24
Meanwhile:
‘An Aboriginal teenager has died by suicide at a youth prison in Perth, Western Australia (WA).
The 17-year-old had spent only two days in custody before he was found unresponsive in his cell on Thursday and could not be revived, state authorities say.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are the most incarcerated people on the planet and also die in custody at far higher rates than non-Indigenous Australians...
Australia has been under international pressure to raise the age of criminal responsibility - which in some state is as low as 10, and disproportionately affects First Nations kids.
The conditions in youth detention centres have also drawn international criticism, including from the UN, which claims they breach international law, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
"This was a preventable death. How many times, by how many experts, does the WA government need to be warned about the dangers of their youth detention centres?" Amnesty International's Kacey Teerman said in a statement.‘
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jlk8e1ekxo
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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yes and I'm one of them although also moved for economic reasons (which will be the case for most migrants too). Sadly Australia has got a lot worse in that regard since I arrived a bit over a decade ago, that said the UK has probably been even worse!
posted on 30/8/24
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
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To not speak English? They can do that in facking Blackpool
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
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To not speak English? They can do that in facking Blackpool
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badly worded, my English isn't great tbf
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Swings and roundabouts, many antipodeans flock to the UK for their 2 years of cultural exposure and speak english, many Brits wanna go down under for the opposite reason.
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Aussies come here to claim benefits and do cash-in-hand jobs
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 seconds ago
Of course Australia has a past, they just choose to ignore it and the people who have lived on the land the longest.
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That’s not strictly true . Whilst what the English did to the indigenous people was absolutely shocking and even to this day the inequalities suffered by them needs a lot of work you’d be surprised how much progress has been made with welcome to country ceremonies, name changes of landmarks and locations back to indigenous names and ownership as well as apologies made.
A long way to go but certainly better than the equivalent in the Middle East and the Americas amongst others.
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That right? Tell us about these policies. I don't see much difference in treatment of indigenous people between here and Oz. Except Natives here do own some of their traditional lands.
posted on 30/8/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 20 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Of course colonization was bad then because thoughts, beliefs were different then, we look at the past with our current eyes. The population of most countries were considered savages.
In my lifetime racist jokes were the norm, blacking on TV programmes were the norm.
Homosexuality was against the law, they were quere in a different context to now.
We 'wanted' to educate them, convert them to Christianity. Not much earlier than that we burned witches, not far from where I used to live.
illigitimate children were bastarrds.
Now we think "how could they" because social mores have changed.
Rosso, you would have been like them. Well your current brain says no , but your two hundred year ago would have been the same.
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Regardless of whether you’re right or not - and I cannot contest such a hypothetical, although I’d point out that there were strong anti-colonialist movements across Europe in the mid-19th century, close to a hundred years before white Australians gave up unashamedly butchering First Nations people - we’d like to think that we know better now, no?
Do we not now universally accept that acts of genocide and barbarity and enslavement are inexcusable and inhuman under any and all circumstances. We know that what white Europeans did across all of Africa and Australia and the Americas was objectively wrong.
My posts haven’t meant to target those who perpetrated those crimes. I don’t think I’ve called those people out, regardless of what they might deserve.
Rather they’ve meant to shame us, and all of us - contemporary Brits and Australians alike - for wilfully ignoring those crimes, for excusing those crimes, for failing to make any singular attempt to make amends for those crimes.
We have benefitted from the atrocities our ancestors committed arguably far, far more than our ancestors themselves. We’ve dined out on and continue to benefit from the compound interest of the proceeds of horrific continental-scale barbarity and exploitation. And we’ve done ***nothing*** about that. We won’t even acknowledge the fact.
Absolutely shameful.
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How far back do we, or any nation, have to go.
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Apparently that depends on your Religion. 6-7 thousand years? Seems to be about right according to some posters on here.👍
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
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what are the negatives though?
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
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what are the negatives though?
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we get to use words like dunny. galah, thongs etc, you get me Bruce!
posted on 30/8/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF a lot of Brits do move to Australia because they prefer the culture*
*less brown people
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It is more multi cultural than the UK but yes, generally from different cultures/regions. Far more SE Asian and European migration.... Majority being born in England!
Funnily enough the both countries have roughly the same number of people born in India now residing there but with Australia having a higher percentage of it's total due to the smaller population size.
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I imagine a tiny number move to Aus for cultural reasons. Its the feckin sun and outdoor lifestyle that lures folks in, just like the US. Living in the UK is a half life and a miserable existence and getting worse, anyone with the capability to live abroad should do so without question.
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Yeah, sun, sea, giant facking spiders, poisonous snakes, huge crocs, giant bats, mozzies.
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what are the negatives though?
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These weird shuffling, horrific, aggressive unintelligible creatures. I think they are called Australians
posted on 18/10/24
Bump!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqz8gyp500o
posted on 18/10/24
I suppose that's what Robb meant by 'a real lack of focus on the past'.
posted on 18/10/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
Bump!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqz8gyp500o
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That's horrific. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
posted on 18/10/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
Bump!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqz8gyp500o
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It’s a difficult dilemma as the levels of crime from indigenous children is absolutely OTT in the NT.
Getting them off the streets is a priority not just for their sakes but for the sakes of the innocent people caught up in the crime wave that is happening in places like Alice Springs.
Rather than being put in an adult jail or whatever this proposes I’d have them put somewhere where they can be treated for substance abuse where it’s still a custodial sentence but a place built specifically to get them educated and ready to reenter society.
posted on 18/10/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 8 minutes ago
I suppose that's what Robb meant by 'a real lack of focus on the past'.
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Please refrain from snide comments. Thanks 👍
posted on 18/10/24
It was an attempt at being humorous, not snide. Apologies if it erred the target.
posted on 18/10/24
They had an unofficial policy of culling feral kids when I was in Brazil, I suppose jailing them is slightly more humane
posted on 18/10/24
The reality of Australia's current aboriginal issues (for lack of a better word) is still very, very much fecked up, don't think you can remotely understand this until you live here for a while.
On the one hand you have the attempt to promote/celebrate the culture, the show that gets put on for the outside world.
There's stuff on TV or before events, like thanking and paying respect to the elders of whatever land you're using for commercial gain (always feels to me like cynical nonsense) but largely harmless.
There's live performances or indigenous music and dancing.
Story telling.
All nice stuff really if not token at times.
But the reality for I guess the vast majority of Aboriginals here is crime and addiction, a life separate to the non indigenous Australian's but certainly not in some positive way that celebrates an ancient culture.
The vast majority of interactions with Aboriginal people that I or people I know have had during travels from one side of Australia to another is negative. Just imagine either individuals or groups of aggressive drunk or drugged people either fighting with themselves, trying to fight you or just so out of it they can't tell which way is up.
It's a horrible shame and without doubt due to the genocide, abuse and suppression of previous generations by "invaders" (an entirely fair name given the reality).
You can completely understand why these problems exist and have upmost sympathy, but you'd also do everything in your power to avoid these troubled people during your day to day life.
The solution is not simple at all, you're talking about trying to break cycles of substance and physical abuse that go back several generations now. I know people who've worked in "aboriginal towns", places where drink is banned and people get tokens for food, of course drink and drugs still get in, there's violence, inshest (spelling) and imo almost no hope for anyone born into that world.
In major Cities you have these problems too, rates of mental illness, addiction and life expectancy are horrendous for aboriginal people in those too. There's people who thankfully buck this trend but I believe they're very much a small minority at this moment in time and it's going to be a long and painful road to recovery, if there's a recovery at all.
posted on 18/10/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 19 minutes ago
The reality of Australia's current aboriginal issues (for lack of a better word) is still very, very much fecked up, don't think you can remotely understand this until you live here for a while.
On the one hand you have the attempt to promote/celebrate the culture, the show that gets put on for the outside world.
There's stuff on TV or before events, like thanking and paying respect to the elders of whatever land you're using for commercial gain (always feels to me like cynical nonsense) but largely harmless.
There's live performances or indigenous music and dancing.
Story telling.
All nice stuff really if not token at times.
But the reality for I guess the vast majority of Aboriginals here is crime and addiction, a life separate to the non indigenous Australian's but certainly not in some positive way that celebrates an ancient culture.
The vast majority of interactions with Aboriginal people that I or people I know have had during travels from one side of Australia to another is negative. Just imagine either individuals or groups of aggressive drunk or drugged people either fighting with themselves, trying to fight you or just so out of it they can't tell which way is up.
It's a horrible shame and without doubt due to the genocide, abuse and suppression of previous generations by "invaders" (an entirely fair name given the reality).
You can completely understand why these problems exist and have upmost sympathy, but you'd also do everything in your power to avoid these troubled people during your day to day life.
The solution is not simple at all, you're talking about trying to break cycles of substance and physical abuse that go back several generations now. I know people who've worked in "aboriginal towns", places where drink is banned and people get tokens for food, of course drink and drugs still get in, there's violence, inshest (spelling) and imo almost no hope for anyone born into that world.
In major Cities you have these problems too, rates of mental illness, addiction and life expectancy are horrendous for aboriginal people in those too. There's people who thankfully buck this trend but I believe they're very much a small minority at this moment in time and it's going to be a long and painful road to recovery, if there's a recovery at all.
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It is a very strange paradox. In some ways what is done to recognise the crimes of the past by modern day Australians is something you just wouldn’t see en masse in the UK. (Imagine a referendum to give back the Koh-i-Noor diamond to India and recognise the crimes against the Indians by the British empire in modern day England supported by Labour).
There is a huge attempt to look back on the crimes done and find ways to heal by many people in Australia. But giving back land and apologies can only go so far with deep routed problems in Indigenous communities are almost un fixable.
posted on 18/10/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
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It is a very strange paradox. In some ways what is done to recognise the crimes of the past by modern day Australians is something you just wouldn’t see en masse in the UK. (Imagine a referendum to give back the Koh-i-Noor diamond to India and recognise the crimes against the Indians by the British empire in modern day England supported by Labour).
There is a huge attempt to look back on the crimes done and find ways to heal by many people in Australia. But giving back land and apologies can only go so far with deep routed problems in Indigenous communities are almost un fixable.
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There's a major difference Robb.
Britain no longer occupies the scene of the vast majority of its crimes.
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