and by the way, he seems to be standing up to that monkey in Moscow ,telling Putin that it was him who started the war and he could end it straight away if he really wanted !

Keep it up Keir .

He's started putting pen to paper on his new autobiography....

"I, Keir"

'See all you old cvnts that vote tory - GIRFUY'

comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 minute ago
He's started putting pen to paper on his new autobiography....

"I, Keir"
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You've furnished us with an awful pun.

comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 9 minutes ago
He's started putting pen to paper on his new autobiography....

"I, Keir"
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He’s a flat pack bully

comment by Glen Bulb (U1449)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 9 minutes ago
He's started putting pen to paper on his new autobiography....

"I, Keir"
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He’s a flat pack bully
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Glen Bulb (U1449)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 9 minutes ago
He's started putting pen to paper on his new autobiography....

"I, Keir"
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He’s a flat pack bully
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I know a good joke about Ikea furniture, but I'm still putting it together.

Will Keir make a top drawer PM?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 31 seconds ago
Will Keir make a top drawer PM?
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Depends on his cabinet 👍

The collective old deserve it for fooking it up for the young.

We fooked the economy for you lot then charged you extortionate rents, made housing unaffordable, now pay for us to stay warm.

Always take, take, take with the Oldies.

I reckon if they lay off the avocado toast they will have plenty of money.

Kivit a year or 2 when all the skeletons will come out of the kleppstad

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 21 seconds ago
The collective old deserve it for fooking it up for the young.

We fooked the economy for you lot then charged you extortionate rents, made housing unaffordable, now pay for us to stay warm.

Always take, take, take with the Oldies.

I reckon if they lay off the avocado toast they will have plenty of money.

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Yeah let’s hope they all freeze to death this winter, that’ll teach them for paying tax for 45 years and raising the next generation

I love how ridiculous this country is. We take money away from old people and suddenly the rhetoric is hating old people

comment by The slot machine (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 31 seconds ago
Will Keir make a top drawer PM?
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Depends on his cabinet 👍
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Good work 👍

I think the Labour Party needs to publicly sort out the confusion between:

(a) on the one hand, the ‘need’ to remove the winter fuel subsidy, and penalising all pensioners not on pension credit, and,
(b) promising to increase the state pension next year ‘over and above the level of the winter fuel subsidy’, presumably for the benefit of all pensioners - i.e. not means tested.

The obvious question is Why? … Why seemingly take with one hand and give back with the other?

One logical answer is ‘political dogma’ … unless the Labour Party can explain otherwise.

comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks&rs... (U22336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 21 seconds ago
The collective old deserve it for fooking it up for the young.

We fooked the economy for you lot then charged you extortionate rents, made housing unaffordable, now pay for us to stay warm.

Always take, take, take with the Oldies.

I reckon if they lay off the avocado toast they will have plenty of money.

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Yeah let’s hope they all freeze to death this winter, that’ll teach them for paying tax for 45 years and raising the next generation
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I've paid tax for 30 odd years and raised the next generation, what do I get? Public services reduced year after year?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The slot machine (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 31 seconds ago
Will Keir make a top drawer PM?
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Depends on his cabinet 👍
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Good work 👍
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I'd have called it wood work

Harl, just curious. How would you generally define yourself politically right-leaning, centrist, centre-right, left-of-centre, and how has your position changed in recent years, if at all?

comment by The Light Brigade (U22847)
posted 16 minutes ago
I think the Labour Party needs to publicly sort out the confusion between:

(a) on the one hand, the ‘need’ to remove the winter fuel subsidy, and penalising all pensioners not on pension credit, and,
(b) promising to increase the state pension next year ‘over and above the level of the winter fuel subsidy’, presumably for the benefit of all pensioners - i.e. not means tested.

The obvious question is Why? … Why seemingly take with one hand and give back with the other?

One logical answer is ‘political dogma’ … unless the Labour Party can explain otherwise.
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TBF, on that question alone I can see a smidge of sense in some minor efficiency savings though not a not a patch on abolishing NI and lumping it in with income tax. At one time I read there were 30,000 people employed administering NI across the country - no idea if true - but that could easily pay for the heating allowance or save another £1bn.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks&rs... (U22336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 21 seconds ago
The collective old deserve it for fooking it up for the young.

We fooked the economy for you lot then charged you extortionate rents, made housing unaffordable, now pay for us to stay warm.

Always take, take, take with the Oldies.

I reckon if they lay off the avocado toast they will have plenty of money.

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Yeah let’s hope they all freeze to death this winter, that’ll teach them for paying tax for 45 years and raising the next generation
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I've paid tax for 30 odd years and raised the next generation, what do I get? Public services reduced year after year?
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Same, raised 2 kids and now raising other peoples kids who can’t manage through fostering.

So like to think I’m contributing A little towards the heating when I’m old would be much appreciated.

I don’t think Labour realise how bad this looks and how much of a vote loser it will be come the next election.

It’s the kind of thing I would expect the tories to do.

comment by The Light Brigade (U22847)
posted 47 minutes ago
I think the Labour Party needs to publicly sort out the confusion between:

(a) on the one hand, the ‘need’ to remove the winter fuel subsidy, and penalising all pensioners not on pension credit, and,
(b) promising to increase the state pension next year ‘over and above the level of the winter fuel subsidy’, presumably for the benefit of all pensioners - i.e. not means tested.

The obvious question is Why? … Why seemingly take with one hand and give back with the other?

One logical answer is ‘political dogma’ … unless the Labour Party can explain otherwise.
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They plan to pay for the increased pensions next year by killing off huge swathes of them this winter. Its in the manifesto.

Seriously though, while the policy makes sense you can see the headlines all winter long if its a cold one and old folk are freezing to death.

And some of those freezing pensioners will be bemoaning that a train driver gets a 15% pay rise to £69k while they're having to pisss their pants just for warmth

Starmer does present so much better that Rishi and with far more focus than bumbling Boris.

But his middle name is Rodney and i cannot look at him without thinking of that classic OF&H line -

This time next year Rodney, we'll......<insert your suggestion here>

have a million less pensioners to pay?

“The only impact assessment we’ve seen is the Labour party’s own impact assessment suggesting the policy would cause 3,850 deaths,” he said.

Labour research from 2017 claimed Tory plans to scrap the winter fuel payment for better-off pensioners could lead to almost 4,000 additional deaths over winter.

Not as bad as the Tories but still pretty bad.

Politics needs to be firmly separated from lobbying and big business, there has to be a better, cleaner way.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by The Light Brigade (U22847)
posted 47 minutes ago
I think the Labour Party needs to publicly sort out the confusion between:

(a) on the one hand, the ‘need’ to remove the winter fuel subsidy, and penalising all pensioners not on pension credit, and,
(b) promising to increase the state pension next year ‘over and above the level of the winter fuel subsidy’, presumably for the benefit of all pensioners - i.e. not means tested.

The obvious question is Why? … Why seemingly take with one hand and give back with the other?

One logical answer is ‘political dogma’ … unless the Labour Party can explain otherwise.
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They plan to pay for the increased pensions next year by killing off huge swathes of them this winter. Its in the manifesto.

Seriously though, while the policy makes sense you can see the headlines all winter long if its a cold one and old folk are freezing to death.

And some of those freezing pensioners will be bemoaning that a train driver gets a 15% pay rise to £69k while they're having to pisss their pants just for warmth
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Different unions donated to something like 40% of the campaigns for Labour candidates in the last election.

No different to the tories, they were always going to bend over for unions.

The thing is they will all be at it now.