How do you make the leap from me saying that Hamas knew the consequences of their actions to me ‘obviously supporting genocide’?

You’re definitely not right in the head.
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Why not ask what Israel expected from occupying Palestine for decades and running apartheid?

Why didn't Israel expect that an organisation like Hamas would be formed in 1987 and carry out violent uprising attacks? What were they expecting? That the Palestinians would take it lying down?

Why are you started in the middle instead of the start? Are you physically incapable of starting at the root of the problem or what? You just can't do it, can you?

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Out of curiosity, what are all of you righteous heroes doing yourself about this situation? You all feel so strongly about it and attack anyone who isn’t fully committed to the destruction of Israel. So what are you actually all doing about it?

Or all you all just whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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You're just proving the point. Anyone that points out that Israel are the occupiers and created the conditions necessary for terrorist organisations like Hamas to exist with their apartheid system in Palestine, and highlight their gruesome human rights offences and contravention of international laws is "attacking anyone that isn't fully committed to the destruction of Israel".

Criticism of Israel acts as a trigger to you and you then automatically come out with these statements without even thinking and it seems you can't help yourself from doing it even when the facts are blatant.

What are YOU doing about Hamas and Israel's enemies apart from whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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As usual Mamba, you’re seeing what you want to see. Nothing I’ve posted suggests defence of anything Israel has done, but you continue with the rhetoric that I support their actions. It’s not criticism of Israel that prompts what I post, it’s the refusal to acknowledge the part of Iran, Hamas etc have played in the current events. The fact that you’re going back 80 years to justify what Hamas did a year ago is ridiculous. It’s one of the worst tactical and military decisions I can think of, knowingly sacrificing thousands of Palestinian lives, and to what end?
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So Hamas' actions on Oct 7th led to knowingly sacrificing Palestinian lives. Where was the concern for Palestinian lives of those illegally imprisoned and abused or forced from their homes by settlers in the years/decades prior to Oct 7th?



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Justifying a wrong with a wrong. Nice one.
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Erm no

Interesting your concern for the people of Palestine only extends to when Hamas are supposedly to blame and not when Israel is in the wrong according to international law.
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You’re making this up.
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According to you Hamas knowingly sacrificed Palestinian lives on Oct 7th. Who is responsible for the actions of the IDF & Israeli government in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7th such as illegal imprisonment, torture, mental, physical and sexualabuse, Israeli gov' & IDF backed settler violence, withholding food, water and leccy to Gaza, shooting kids throwing stones etc etc?

Try giving an honest answer this time.


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I’ve never claimed otherwise. What’s this giving an honest answer nonsense?

Let’s turn this around then, are you suggesting that Hamas didn’t know that Israel would react in the way they did?
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Are you suggesting Israel didn't know that Hamas would react in the way they did to decades long mistreatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government?

Somehow Israel's reaction to Oct 7th is justified but Hamas and Hezbollah's counter reactions aren't on the premise of they knew how Israel would react.
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Where have I justified Israel’s reaction?

I’m not suggesting that Israel wouldn’t expect a reaction at all. The huge difference is that they’re in a position to react with a far greater force than anything Hamas can muster. They’re also able to provide more protection to their own civilians than Hamas can.

I guess it depends whether you think the huge loss of Palestinian lives will achieve anything positive in the long term. I don’t, which is why I think it was an incredibly ill thought out action by Hamas.

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Out of curiosity, what are all of you righteous heroes doing yourself about this situation? You all feel so strongly about it and attack anyone who isn’t fully committed to the destruction of Israel. So what are you actually all doing about it?

Or all you all just whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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You're just proving the point. Anyone that points out that Israel are the occupiers and created the conditions necessary for terrorist organisations like Hamas to exist with their apartheid system in Palestine, and highlight their gruesome human rights offences and contravention of international laws is "attacking anyone that isn't fully committed to the destruction of Israel".

Criticism of Israel acts as a trigger to you and you then automatically come out with these statements without even thinking and it seems you can't help yourself from doing it even when the facts are blatant.

What are YOU doing about Hamas and Israel's enemies apart from whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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As usual Mamba, you’re seeing what you want to see. Nothing I’ve posted suggests defence of anything Israel has done, but you continue with the rhetoric that I support their actions. It’s not criticism of Israel that prompts what I post, it’s the refusal to acknowledge the part of Iran, Hamas etc have played in the current events. The fact that you’re going back 80 years to justify what Hamas did a year ago is ridiculous. It’s one of the worst tactical and military decisions I can think of, knowingly sacrificing thousands of Palestinian lives, and to what end?
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So Hamas' actions on Oct 7th led to knowingly sacrificing Palestinian lives. Where was the concern for Palestinian lives of those illegally imprisoned and abused or forced from their homes by settlers in the years/decades prior to Oct 7th?



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Justifying a wrong with a wrong. Nice one.
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Erm no

Interesting your concern for the people of Palestine only extends to when Hamas are supposedly to blame and not when Israel is in the wrong according to international law.
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You’re making this up.
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According to you Hamas knowingly sacrificed Palestinian lives on Oct 7th. Who is responsible for the actions of the IDF & Israeli government in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7th such as illegal imprisonment, torture, mental, physical and sexualabuse, Israeli gov' & IDF backed settler violence, withholding food, water and leccy to Gaza, shooting kids throwing stones etc etc?

Try giving an honest answer this time.


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I’ve never claimed otherwise. What’s this giving an honest answer nonsense?

Let’s turn this around then, are you suggesting that Hamas didn’t know that Israel would react in the way they did?
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Its not about whether they did or didn't know. It's more about why has the world allowed it to happen. You obviously support genocide with your constant rhetoric of what else did Hamas expect

Such a clown
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How do you make the leap from me saying that Hamas knew the consequences of their actions to me ‘obviously supporting genocide’?

You’re definitely not right in the head.
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What did Hamas expect? Well what did Israel expect. Im bored of listing their atrocities

You're clearly a Zionist and I knew this from the first time I engaged with you. I even asked you not to respond to me because I find your political views abhorrent but here we are
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Go see a doctor 👍

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Out of curiosity, what are all of you righteous heroes doing yourself about this situation? You all feel so strongly about it and attack anyone who isn’t fully committed to the destruction of Israel. So what are you actually all doing about it?

Or all you all just whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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You're just proving the point. Anyone that points out that Israel are the occupiers and created the conditions necessary for terrorist organisations like Hamas to exist with their apartheid system in Palestine, and highlight their gruesome human rights offences and contravention of international laws is "attacking anyone that isn't fully committed to the destruction of Israel".

Criticism of Israel acts as a trigger to you and you then automatically come out with these statements without even thinking and it seems you can't help yourself from doing it even when the facts are blatant.

What are YOU doing about Hamas and Israel's enemies apart from whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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Occupiers of the land their ancestors and religion originated from? land that was owned/controlled by the brits who took it from the ottomans not palestinians in ww1?

Ever since theyve been under atk, numerous invasions by arab countries, thousands of rockets and mortars on civillians. Massacres of Jewish communities. Jewish populations in arab countries 900k+ to less than 50k. Israel took most their extra land after winning wars thrust upon them by surrounding arab nations. eventually those same arab nations accepted Israel, first Egypt, then Jordan etc.

Numerous resolution attempts since, most of which rejected or ignored by Palestine. Including one in 2007: Annapolis Conference

Olmert said that he gave Abbas an “unprecedented offer” based on a return to the pre-1967 borders, including land swaps and a division of Jerusalem. But Olmert never received a final response from the Palestinians on the offer. A Palestinian negotiator subsequently acknowledged in the media that the Israeli plan would have given his side the equivalent of 100 percent of the disputed lands under discussion.

Hamas called for all parties to boycott the conference. The same Hamas that violently ousted the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority in 2007.

Unfortunately in 95 Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, a longtime major political figure in Israeli politics and head of the left-wing Labor Party, was assassinated by an Israeli extremist, Yigal Amir, at a peace rally in Tel Aviv.

So we ended up with extremists in power on both sides now both continuing to do wrong. Who really pays the price? innocents on both sides in blood. Thats where we are at and it doesnt look like changing anytime soon.

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How do you make the leap from me saying that Hamas knew the consequences of their actions to me ‘obviously supporting genocide’?

You’re definitely not right in the head.
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Why not ask what Israel expected from occupying Palestine for decades and running apartheid?

Why didn't Israel expect that an organisation like Hamas would be formed in 1987 and carry out violent uprising attacks? What were they expecting? That the Palestinians would take it lying down?

Why are you started in the middle instead of the start? Are you physically incapable of starting at the root of the problem or what? You just can't do it, can you?
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What difference does it make where I start? It wouldn’t change the fact that Hamas’s attack was a massive tactical error that could only end badly for the Palestinian people.

The insane thing is that some of you seem to think that by linking the Hamas attack to the events of eighty years ago, it justifies Hamas leaving the people they claim to support open to genocide. And I’m the one who supports genocide?

You are fecking insane.

Don't think anyone denies it was a stoopid move by Hamas. Hamas very existence is stoopid because they are a also an impediment to peace and stability in the region. I don't see how they help Palestinians apart from giving Israel the excuses to do whatever evil it wants to carry out.

Another consequence for Hamas existence is to take the pressure off Israel. As you can see even on this thread, a lot of the excuses and obfuscation of the truth is based on Hamas.

Everything is Hamas this Hamas that, when Hamas didn't even exist until 1987, nearly 30 years after Israel's occupation and apartheid had started. Hamas comes into existence and suddenly being jumped on by everyone to make excuses for Israel's racism, apartheid and genocide.

There is no Hamas in the West Bank. There is the PLO and yet they are still treated like sheet and being displaced, imprisoned, killed and living as second class citizens to the occupying Israelis, who run everything from the sewage to power and water, basic amenities which they control and weaponise against Palestinians. Meanwhile geniuses on here are just talking about Hamas while enjoying free access to water, power, the internet and toilets.

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Out of curiosity, what are all of you righteous heroes doing yourself about this situation? You all feel so strongly about it and attack anyone who isn’t fully committed to the destruction of Israel. So what are you actually all doing about it?

Or all you all just whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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You're just proving the point. Anyone that points out that Israel are the occupiers and created the conditions necessary for terrorist organisations like Hamas to exist with their apartheid system in Palestine, and highlight their gruesome human rights offences and contravention of international laws is "attacking anyone that isn't fully committed to the destruction of Israel".

Criticism of Israel acts as a trigger to you and you then automatically come out with these statements without even thinking and it seems you can't help yourself from doing it even when the facts are blatant.

What are YOU doing about Hamas and Israel's enemies apart from whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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As usual Mamba, you’re seeing what you want to see. Nothing I’ve posted suggests defence of anything Israel has done, but you continue with the rhetoric that I support their actions. It’s not criticism of Israel that prompts what I post, it’s the refusal to acknowledge the part of Iran, Hamas etc have played in the current events. The fact that you’re going back 80 years to justify what Hamas did a year ago is ridiculous. It’s one of the worst tactical and military decisions I can think of, knowingly sacrificing thousands of Palestinian lives, and to what end?
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So Hamas' actions on Oct 7th led to knowingly sacrificing Palestinian lives. Where was the concern for Palestinian lives of those illegally imprisoned and abused or forced from their homes by settlers in the years/decades prior to Oct 7th?



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Justifying a wrong with a wrong. Nice one.
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Erm no

Interesting your concern for the people of Palestine only extends to when Hamas are supposedly to blame and not when Israel is in the wrong according to international law.
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You’re making this up.
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According to you Hamas knowingly sacrificed Palestinian lives on Oct 7th. Who is responsible for the actions of the IDF & Israeli government in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7th such as illegal imprisonment, torture, mental, physical and sexualabuse, Israeli gov' & IDF backed settler violence, withholding food, water and leccy to Gaza, shooting kids throwing stones etc etc?

Try giving an honest answer this time.


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I’ve never claimed otherwise. What’s this giving an honest answer nonsense?

Let’s turn this around then, are you suggesting that Hamas didn’t know that Israel would react in the way they did?
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Are you suggesting Israel didn't know that Hamas would react in the way they did to decades long mistreatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government?

Somehow Israel's reaction to Oct 7th is justified but Hamas and Hezbollah's counter reactions aren't on the premise of they knew how Israel would react.
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Where have I justified Israel’s reaction?

I’m not suggesting that Israel wouldn’t expect a reaction at all. The huge difference is that they’re in a position to react with a far greater force than anything Hamas can muster. They’re also able to provide more protection to their own civilians than Hamas can.

I guess it depends whether you think the huge loss of Palestinian lives will achieve anything positive in the long term. I don’t, which is why I think it was an incredibly ill thought out action by Hamas.
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You question where you justify Israels actions then go on to do just that in that last paragraph by blaming Israel killing 40,000+ in Gaza on Hamas.

Well if Hamas knew they were outgunned and outmanned by Israel and knew what the response would be they should carry on letting Palestinians being oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and abused.

If you're Hamas actions have, disproportionate, consequences. If you're Israel a blind eye is turned on all sorts and consequences aren't their responsibility but that of Hamas.

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Mamba you literally said cozying up to the west was “as bad or worse” than firing rockets into Russia
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According to Russia, it is. You need that explained? You don't know your ass from your elbow about anything in the world Fred. Shut the fack up.
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That’s not what you said Mamba, it wasn’t even implied.
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I answered the query in the context it was asked. Move on.
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Yep keep backtracking.

The insane thing is that some of you seem to think that by linking the Hamas attack to the events of eighty years ago, it justifies Hamas leaving the people they claim to support open to genocide
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Tell me you mistyped this. I though you said you weren't justifying this genocide?

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Don't think anyone denies it was a stoopid move by Hamas. Hamas very existence is stoopid because they are a also an impediment to peace and stability in the region. I don't see how they help Palestinians apart from giving Israel the excuses to do whatever evil it wants to carry out.

Another consequence for Hamas existence is to take the pressure off Israel. As you can see even on this thread, a lot of the excuses and obfuscation of the truth is based on Hamas.

Everything is Hamas this Hamas that, when Hamas didn't even exist until 1987, nearly 30 years after Israel's occupation and apartheid had started. Hamas comes into existence and suddenly being jumped on by everyone to make excuses for Israel's racism, apartheid and genocide.

There is no Hamas in the West Bank. There is the PLO and yet they are still treated like sheet and being displaced, imprisoned, killed and living as second class citizens to the occupying Israelis, who run everything from the sewage to power and water, basic amenities which they control and weaponise against Palestinians. Meanwhile geniuses on here are just talking about Hamas while enjoying free access to water, power, the internet and toilets.
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1964: Creation of the Palestinian Liberation Organization

The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) was founded in 1964 during an Arab League Summit in Cairo, Egypt, to represent Palestinian aspirations for the destruction of Israel, self-determination, and a state. Initially led by Ahmed Shukeiri, the PLO later embraced armed struggle, terrorism, and later diplomacy as a means to achieve its goals. Yasser Arafat became a prominent leader and became the face of the PLO and the Palestinian movement until his death in 2004. Mahmoud Abbas succeeded him.

Why It Matters: The beginning of the PLO signaled the creation and formalization of the Palestinian national movement. For decades, the PLO was dedicated to terrorism against Israelis. In a historic move, in 1988 the PLO accepted the notion of two states for two peoples which eventually helped pave the way for the 1993 Oslo peace process.

Eventually they accept israel and want a peaceful resolution but theres always one party isnt there that throws it all up in the air and we continue with the same old bs. Its so sad.

Im 100% sure people don't know how the brutal occupation treats/treated Palestinian civilians

The march of return where peacefully protests were met with Israeli snipers shooting at kneecaps to leave their victims paralysed. Try marching now. So sick and evil.

People choosing to ignore the brutality and honestly you'll be shocked by some, the unemployment rate, the restrictions on food allowed in gaza from corriander to sweets. Everything was systematically designed to make the Palestinians fk off so they can grab all the land. But even having policies like mowing the lawn the Palestinians should just lie down and take it because Israel is a warring superpower

Nobody can make anyone commit genocide. If Israel commits genocide then let's blame Israel. How can you say "Hamas left them open to genocide".

They didn't leave them open to anything. It is solely Israel's decision to carry out a genocide in Palestine. They can implant bombs in Hezbollah radios and assassinate people inside Iranian territory but have to kill thousands and destroy whole schools, Hospitals, Refugee centres and all the infrastructure in order to get to a Hamas base. You have to

If they want to avoid Hamas attacks they can withdraw from occupied regions and remove their illegal settlements and thus create a path for genuine and lasting peace.

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The insane thing is that some of you seem to think that by linking the Hamas attack to the events of eighty years ago, it justifies Hamas leaving the people they claim to support open to genocide
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Tell me you mistyped this. I though you said you weren't justifying this genocide?

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Eh? How have you come to that conclusion?

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Nobody can make anyone commit genocide. If Israel commits genocide then let's blame Israel. How can you say "Hamas left them open to genocide".

They didn't leave them open to anything. It is solely Israel's decision to carry out a genocide in Palestine. They can implant bombs in Hezbollah radios and assassinate people inside Iranian territory but have to kill thousands and destroy whole schools, Hospitals, Refugee centres and all the infrastructure in order to get to a Hamas base. You have to

If they want to avoid Hamas attacks they can withdraw from occupied regions and remove their illegal settlements and thus create a path for genuine and lasting peace.
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He's a Zionist and either he doesn't know it or too scared to admit it

Absolute clown

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Eventually they accept israel and want a peaceful resolution but theres always one party isnt there that throws it all up in the air and we continue with the same old bs. Its so sad.
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Yep. The greatest chance for peace IMO was when Yitzhak Rabin was leading Israel, but they assassinated him before a deal could be struck and from there it seems all hope was lost.

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Out of curiosity, what are all of you righteous heroes doing yourself about this situation? You all feel so strongly about it and attack anyone who isn’t fully committed to the destruction of Israel. So what are you actually all doing about it?

Or all you all just whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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You're just proving the point. Anyone that points out that Israel are the occupiers and created the conditions necessary for terrorist organisations like Hamas to exist with their apartheid system in Palestine, and highlight their gruesome human rights offences and contravention of international laws is "attacking anyone that isn't fully committed to the destruction of Israel".

Criticism of Israel acts as a trigger to you and you then automatically come out with these statements without even thinking and it seems you can't help yourself from doing it even when the facts are blatant.

What are YOU doing about Hamas and Israel's enemies apart from whining on an anonymous forum that makes zero difference to anything?
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As usual Mamba, you’re seeing what you want to see. Nothing I’ve posted suggests defence of anything Israel has done, but you continue with the rhetoric that I support their actions. It’s not criticism of Israel that prompts what I post, it’s the refusal to acknowledge the part of Iran, Hamas etc have played in the current events. The fact that you’re going back 80 years to justify what Hamas did a year ago is ridiculous. It’s one of the worst tactical and military decisions I can think of, knowingly sacrificing thousands of Palestinian lives, and to what end?
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So Hamas' actions on Oct 7th led to knowingly sacrificing Palestinian lives. Where was the concern for Palestinian lives of those illegally imprisoned and abused or forced from their homes by settlers in the years/decades prior to Oct 7th?



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Justifying a wrong with a wrong. Nice one.
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Erm no

Interesting your concern for the people of Palestine only extends to when Hamas are supposedly to blame and not when Israel is in the wrong according to international law.
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You’re making this up.
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According to you Hamas knowingly sacrificed Palestinian lives on Oct 7th. Who is responsible for the actions of the IDF & Israeli government in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7th such as illegal imprisonment, torture, mental, physical and sexualabuse, Israeli gov' & IDF backed settler violence, withholding food, water and leccy to Gaza, shooting kids throwing stones etc etc?

Try giving an honest answer this time.


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I’ve never claimed otherwise. What’s this giving an honest answer nonsense?

Let’s turn this around then, are you suggesting that Hamas didn’t know that Israel would react in the way they did?
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Are you suggesting Israel didn't know that Hamas would react in the way they did to decades long mistreatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government?

Somehow Israel's reaction to Oct 7th is justified but Hamas and Hezbollah's counter reactions aren't on the premise of they knew how Israel would react.
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Where have I justified Israel’s reaction?

I’m not suggesting that Israel wouldn’t expect a reaction at all. The huge difference is that they’re in a position to react with a far greater force than anything Hamas can muster. They’re also able to provide more protection to their own civilians than Hamas can.

I guess it depends whether you think the huge loss of Palestinian lives will achieve anything positive in the long term. I don’t, which is why I think it was an incredibly ill thought out action by Hamas.
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You question where you justify Israels actions then go on to do just that in that last paragraph by blaming Israel killing 40,000+ in Gaza on Hamas.

Well if Hamas knew they were outgunned and outmanned by Israel and knew what the response would be they should carry on letting Palestinians being oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and abused.

If you're Hamas actions have, disproportionate, consequences. If you're Israel a blind eye is turned on all sorts and consequences aren't their responsibility but that of Hamas.
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Jesus wept. My point is that the Hamas attack will not stop what Israel were doing prior to that, it has actually led to even worse loss of life.

That is not justifying anything that Israel has done, it’s merely stating the obvious.

I’m not going to claim to have the solution to the problem, but one thing I am certain of is that the Hamas attack isn’t it.

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He's a Zionist and either he doesn't know it or too scared to admit it

Absolute clown
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Oh feck off you utter head case.

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Nobody can make anyone commit genocide. If Israel commits genocide then let's blame Israel. How can you say "Hamas left them open to genocide".

They didn't leave them open to anything. It is solely Israel's decision to carry out a genocide in Palestine. They can implant bombs in Hezbollah radios and assassinate people inside Iranian territory but have to kill thousands and destroy whole schools, Hospitals, Refugee centres and all the infrastructure in order to get to a Hamas base. You have to

If they want to avoid Hamas attacks they can withdraw from occupied regions and remove their illegal settlements and thus create a path for genuine and lasting peace.
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They didn’t leave them open to anything?

Good grief.

President Joe Biden repeated a line he famously said in 1986: “If there were not an Israel, we'd have to invent one.”

But Irans the root of all evil

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Nobody can make anyone commit genocide. If Israel commits genocide then let's blame Israel. How can you say "Hamas left them open to genocide".

They didn't leave them open to anything. It is solely Israel's decision to carry out a genocide in Palestine. They can implant bombs in Hezbollah radios and assassinate people inside Iranian territory but have to kill thousands and destroy whole schools, Hospitals, Refugee centres and all the infrastructure in order to get to a Hamas base. You have to

If they want to avoid Hamas attacks they can withdraw from occupied regions and remove their illegal settlements and thus create a path for genuine and lasting peace.
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They didn’t leave them open to anything?

Good grief.
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Yes. It is not the fault if Hamas that Israel decided to occupy Palestine, run apartheid and genocide the population. Stop making excuses for these murderous acts.

Hamas were convenient for Israel when it suited which has now backfired

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Actions, consequences and responsibility aren't applicable to the Israeli state though. Meanwhile Hamas should've been the adult in the room and considered the consequences of their actions.

Why do we hold a proscribed terrorist organisation to a higher standard than an official nation state and ally?

Jesus wept. My point is that the Hamas attack will not stop what Israel were doing prior to that, it has actually led to even worse loss of life.
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But Israel's occupation and apartheid led to the existence of Hamas in the first place so it's still their fault.

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Hamas were convenient for Israel when it suited which has now backfired

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Actions, consequences and responsibility aren't applicable to the Israeli state though. Meanwhile Hamas should've been the adult in the room and considered the consequences of their actions.

Why do we hold a proscribed terrorist organisation to a higher standard than an official nation state and ally?
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Yeah. And what about their brotherhood with Iran? The USA and Israel helped to put the current regime in power in Iran, helping to remove a DEMOCRATICALLY elected authority and replacing it with the Ayatollah hardcore Islamic regime. Now this regime they put in place has sworn to destroy Israel and we are cruising to world war 3.

Read up about it if you haven't. It's ridiculous and makes no sense whatsoever