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Should UK pay reparations?

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posted on 22/10/24

Reparations should be paid by those that sold the slaves as they made them slaves in the first place. Therefore the only place people should look for reparations is the Motherland.

See the real Woman King, not the film that conveniently left certain facts out. Plus what still happens in many non western countries around the world.

Why should we now pay for sins of our fathers?

According to the Bible, children are not responsible for their parents' sins. However, the Bible does say that God holds children accountable if they don't learn from their parents' mistakes.

Have we not learned from their mistakes? After all it was Britain who started Abolitionism (and kept to it unlike the French who were technically first for a few years until they went back).

The whole reparations thing is for those that just want handouts and get everything for nothing.

posted on 22/10/24

The God Fowler,

It was a multi million pound industry, and both buyers and sellers should be held accountable. However, the true beneficiaries were the wealthy owners, many of whom lived in colonial powers, with the UK being a major player.

In today's money, this wealth amounts to hundreds of billions, if not trillions. Many of our institutions were built on the profits of the slave trade. So why shouldn’t this additional wealth, generated through the blood, sweat, and tears of enslaved labour, be repatriated to the descendants of slaves or, better yet, paid back to the countries where they were enslaved?

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 22/10/24

Listen mate, I’ve been taking all my old gear down Oxfam shop for years.

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Fred: Sign Someone!!!! (U3979)
posted 6 hours, 19 minutes ago
Slavery in human history has been done by nigh on every single civilisation in history until about 200 years ago. Slavery has been the rule not the exception in human history.

Not sure why it's the UK or even the US that gets continually singled out for this.

So no, we shouldn't be paying a penny of reparations for something not a single living Brit is responsible for.
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Two of the world’s top 6 economies, the UK and the USA, have institutions and individuals who directly benefited from the profits of the slave trade. Their financial systems were built on this exploitation, which is why there’s a growing call for them to pay reparations. If both countries were economically poor, these demands would have died long ago.

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 57 seconds ago
Wonder how much the Muslim world pays in reparations given the absolutely huge number of slaves processed?
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I've visited Stonetown Cathedral in Zanzibar.

The British defeated the Arab slave traders, released the slaves, built a cathedral on the site of the now defunct slave market and made sure the altar was on the same spot as where the Whipping Post was.

All that was over a century ago but it was a proactive way of making ammends in some small way.
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Slavery, regardless of who perpetrates it, is highly abhorrent. Throughout various periods of the Islamic empires, particularly the Ottoman and Mughal Empires, slavery was a significant feature; in fact, Islamic law permits the capture of enemies as slaves. It's important to note that slavery was not exclusive to Western civilisation. While the British defeated Arab slave traders, this does not absolve them of their participation in the slave trade.

ALL participants in the slave trade should acknowledge their role and seek to repair the historical damage.


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Britain doesn't pretend it had no part in it, neither is it still openly practiced in this country.
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Maybe not openly but modern day slavery, exploitation, social and economic inequalities? 😏
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Mainly Albanians who are not or ever have been British.

We also employ several thousand people to try and crack down on Modern Day Slavery.

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 57 seconds ago
Wonder how much the Muslim world pays in reparations given the absolutely huge number of slaves processed?
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I've visited Stonetown Cathedral in Zanzibar.

The British defeated the Arab slave traders, released the slaves, built a cathedral on the site of the now defunct slave market and made sure the altar was on the same spot as where the Whipping Post was.

All that was over a century ago but it was a proactive way of making ammends in some small way.
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Slavery, regardless of who perpetrates it, is highly abhorrent. Throughout various periods of the Islamic empires, particularly the Ottoman and Mughal Empires, slavery was a significant feature; in fact, Islamic law permits the capture of enemies as slaves. It's important to note that slavery was not exclusive to Western civilisation. While the British defeated Arab slave traders, this does not absolve them of their participation in the slave trade.

ALL participants in the slave trade should acknowledge their role and seek to repair the historical damage.


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Britain doesn't pretend it had no part in it, neither is it still openly practiced in this country.
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Maybe not openly but modern day slavery, exploitation, social and economic inequalities? 😏
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Mainly Albanians who are not or ever have been British.

We also employ several thousand people to try and crack down on Modern Day Slavery.
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Boris, stating UK acknowledges its past mistakes while you blame others does not resolve the key issues at hand. Poverty alleviation begins with eliminating exploitative practices and addressing social and economic inequalities. By resolving these issues, we can protect vulnerable members of society. However, while efforts may appear to be sufficient, we are ultimately not doing enough to combat modern day slavery.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 22/10/24

Arm waving bollix.

Poverty is alleviated by lots of things but cracking down on cvnts enslaving people is pretty far down the list.

posted on 22/10/24

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posted on 22/10/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 seconds ago
Arm waving bollix.

Poverty is alleviated by lots of things but cracking down on cvnts enslaving people is pretty far down the list.
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Poverty is the root cause of exploitative practices, such as the one I addressed above! Do you think the wealthy are exploited?!

πŸ˜‚

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 seconds ago
Arm waving bollix.

Poverty is alleviated by lots of things but cracking down on cvnts enslaving people is pretty far down the list.
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Poverty is the root cause of exploitative practices, such as the one I addressed above! Do you think the wealthy are exploited?!

πŸ˜‚
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You are pushing an agenda. Maybe you've been enslaved?

Being a cvnt is the root cause of exploitative practices.

There are plenty of the wealthy that are cvnts too - see, I just debunked your agenda.

Oh, and I'm out, enjoy.

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 seconds ago
Arm waving bollix.

Poverty is alleviated by lots of things but cracking down on cvnts enslaving people is pretty far down the list.
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Poverty is the root cause of exploitative practices, such as the one I addressed above! Do you think the wealthy are exploited?!

πŸ˜‚
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You are pushing an agenda. Maybe you've been enslaved?

Being a cvnt is the root cause of exploitative practices.

There are plenty of the wealthy that are cvnts too - see, I just debunked your agenda.

Oh, and I'm out, enjoy.
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Nonsensical response!

There's no agenda, just pushing facts.

comment by #4zA (U22472)

posted on 22/10/24

“Pushin a agenda”

Yer
A anti-slavery agender

Whutta wokie ffs

posted on 22/10/24

comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 39 seconds ago
“Pushin a agenda”

Yer
A anti-slavery agender

Whutta wokie ffs
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Exactly! Forza gets it πŸ‘

posted on 22/10/24

There's a lot of exploitation going on in the gig economy. Things like Deliveroo cyclists. Modern day slavery

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Fabián Caballero (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's a lot of exploitation going on in the gig economy. Things like Deliveroo cyclists. Modern day slavery
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Zero hour contracts is another!

posted on 22/10/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Fabián Caballero (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's a lot of exploitation going on in the gig economy. Things like Deliveroo cyclists. Modern day slavery
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Zero hour contracts is another!
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Yeah but it's a bit different with the deliveroo stuff. It's illegal immigrants basically cycling about using someone from here's deliveroo account and that person controlling these people working illegally. Maybe giving them some cramped accommodation with many others like them being used in the same way.

All you need to do is set up a Deliveroo account as a legal citizen here then you can get illegal immigrants to do the deliveries for you as they're desperate and will "work" for you for a tiny amount

posted on 23/10/24

"How far back do we go?

My mum was born in August 1923.

On 29th September 1923, the addition of Mandatory Palestine increased the British Empire to its greatest size: nearly fourteen million square miles (150 times the size of Great Britain, a quarter of the world’s land area). It contained 460 million people, a fifth of the world’s population at the time.

My mum turned 101 a couple of months ago and, fingers crossed, is still going strong.

In response to the opening question above, I'd say "Living memory" isn't that bad a place to start.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 23/10/24

A question surely too nuanced for JA606

posted on 23/10/24

How far back do we go?


In September 1926, the International Slavery Convention was signed at Geneva under the auspices of the League of Nations 'to find a means of giving practical effect throughout the world to such intentions'.

It defined a slave as a 'person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised', and undertook 'to bring about, progressively and as soon as possible, the complete abolition of slavery in all its forms'.

But this was never applied against the practice of forced labour in colonial Africa, for example, requiring a village to provide men to work on roads and other public works. Under all the colonial powers, forced labour of one kind or another remained in place into the 1940s, and the imposition of taxes forced people into low-paid mining, industry or agribusiness jobs when they might otherwise have remained farmers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/abolition/scramble_for_africa_article_01.shtml



Under all the colonial powers, forced labour of one kind or another remained in place into the 1940s.

How far back do we go?

posted on 23/10/24

Only if France pay up first.

posted on 23/10/24

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 28 minutes ago
A question surely too nuanced for JA606
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The only honest answer anyone here can give is 'I dunno'

posted on 23/10/24

comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
i think the only coloniul empire that was bennyfishull too the world was the Romans
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whaddabout impero armani colognial empire?

comment by #4zA (U22472)

posted on 23/10/24

that to obvs

posted on 23/10/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - You hit us, We hit you. (U1282)
posted 31 minutes ago
Reparations would be unpayable. The UK doesn't have anywhere near the money to pay.
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Got some nice castles and some pricey real estate down London area.
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The Kohinoor diamond, originally taken from India and now part of the Queen's crown, is valued between half a billion and a billion dollars. And that’s just one piece of the royal collection, imagine the vast wealth and treasures hidden within the entire royal estate, enough to settle a large part of the reparations!



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We're talking trillions in reparations. You know that a trillion is a thousand billions, right? All the royal collection is worth around 10 billion.

posted on 23/10/24

comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
How far back do we go?


In September 1926, the International Slavery Convention was signed at Geneva under the auspices of the League of Nations 'to find a means of giving practical effect throughout the world to such intentions'.

It defined a slave as a 'person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised', and undertook 'to bring about, progressively and as soon as possible, the complete abolition of slavery in all its forms'.

But this was never applied against the practice of forced labour in colonial Africa, for example, requiring a village to provide men to work on roads and other public works. Under all the colonial powers, forced labour of one kind or another remained in place into the 1940s, and the imposition of taxes forced people into low-paid mining, industry or agribusiness jobs when they might otherwise have remained farmers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/abolition/scramble_for_africa_article_01.shtml



Under all the colonial powers, forced labour of one kind or another remained in place into the 1940s.

How far back do we go?

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It's very simple. If you can find and identify whoever oppressed you then good luck. A lot of people can identify the UK, France and others as the culprits. If UK and France and others feel aggrieved, they are free to find the Normans and make them pay. If the Normans don't exist anymore then too bad, because it doesn't mean you get away without paying up.

If you are arrested for stealing, you can't defend yourself by saying that someone else also stole from you yonks ago, and therefore you refuse to face the consequences of stealing on that basis. Furthermore, the person that stole from you is dead and doesn't exist anymore.

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