The freekick Arsenal scored the 'onside' goal from was never a freekick. Also the offside Neville kept banging on about VVD's foot being ahead of Merino's, however it was actually Merino's shoulder that was furthest forward and looked offside to me, although it was a poor angle.

Merino's shoulder was nowhere near offside. He was standing up straight.
Maybe you mean the player in front?

Offsides should be taken from the FEET only. After all it is Football.

Was never a foul by Kiwior

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Merino's shoulder was nowhere near offside. He was standing up straight.
Maybe you mean the player in front?
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Maybe it's not Merino but whoever it is that is standing next to VVD, holding his arm as the ball comes in.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Merino's shoulder was nowhere near offside. He was standing up straight.
Maybe you mean the player in front?
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Maybe it's not Merino but whoever it is that is standing next to VVD, holding his arm as the ball comes in.
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But even then, VVDs foot was behind him.

But once again the officials were facking awful, inept caaants. Summed up with that final call to give a goalkick when it was obvious to a blindman it was a corner

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Was never a foul by Kiwior
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It was a foul by Kiwior then a handball by Havertz. There were literally two fouls in the build up to the third goal.

Not sure why the Konate one wasn't a penalty however but only saw the one reply and perhaps I missed something. Did they say why it wasn't a penalty?

comment by 16Bit (U3448)
posted 4 minutes ago
Offsides should be taken from the FEET only. After all it is Football.
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You know you can head the ball right?

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 second ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Merino's shoulder was nowhere near offside. He was standing up straight.
Maybe you mean the player in front?
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Maybe it's not Merino but whoever it is that is standing next to VVD, holding his arm as the ball comes in.
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But even then, VVDs foot was behind him.

But once again the officials were facking awful, inept caaants. Summed up with that final call to give a goalkick when it was obvious to a blindman it was a corner
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Yeah that was awful to be fair.

typical ARSEnal fans "they see, hear and read what they want"

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Merino's shoulder was nowhere near offside. He was standing up straight.
Maybe you mean the player in front?
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Maybe it's not Merino but whoever it is that is standing next to VVD, holding his arm as the ball comes in.
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But even then, VVDs foot was behind him.

But once again the officials were facking awful, inept caaants. Summed up with that final call to give a goalkick when it was obvious to a blindman it was a corner
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Well that's up for debate as I didn't the lines from the still and he's offside. However the angle isn't great. This is probably why it took so long if they only had that angle as they had no proper proof to show an error.

Honestly if that's a foul by Kiwior then football is kinda depressing. He didn't push him out the way or anything he just jumped over him.

comment by Fred: Sign Someone!!!! (U3979)
posted 1 second ago
comment by 16Bit (U3448)
posted 4 minutes ago
Offsides should be taken from the FEET only. After all it is Football.
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You know you can head the ball right?
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Yes. Offside rule now a joke. Heading use to be just forward momentum. Nothing wrong with that before this silly line tech.

Watched 2 games and saw highlights of 2 and the officials were all horrendous. Add in yestersday and it has got to the point where you wonder what the point is. Refs decide championships.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
Honestly if that's a foul by Kiwior then football is kinda depressing. He didn't push him out the way or anything he just jumped over him.
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Jumped all over him is probably a better way to describe it but the Havertz handballs it immediately after anyhow.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly if that's a foul by Kiwior then football is kinda depressing. He didn't push him out the way or anything he just jumped over him.
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Looks like the Liverpool man made a back for Kiwior. Kiwior just got up high enough to win the ball. What is particularly worrying is the ref yet it go until we were in on goal, seems like he wanted to take all possibilities out of it. Never a handball, btw, high on the shoulder.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
Honestly if that's a foul by Kiwior then football is kinda depressing. He didn't push him out the way or anything he just jumped over him.
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Jumped all over him is probably a better way to describe it but the Havertz handballs it immediately after anyhow.
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To me it felt like someone had a running jump vs someone with a standing jump.

I didn't see the handball but I'll take a look if you can se d a link

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VVD deserved a straight red card for a foul on Havertz. Then he wouldnt have scored.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly if that's a foul by Kiwior then football is kinda depressing. He didn't push him out the way or anything he just jumped over him.
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Looks like the Liverpool man made a back for Kiwior. Kiwior just got up high enough to win the ball. What is particularly worrying is the ref yet it go until we were in on goal, seems like he wanted to take all possibilities out of it. Never a handball, btw, high on the shoulder.
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Kiwior jumped into Szoboszlai with his hole into his back ffs. It's a clear foul. Nope nowhere near the shoulder. Upper arm but low enough fot handball, for me.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 5 seconds ago
VVD deserved a straight red card for a foul on Havertz. Then he wouldnt have scored.
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Now we're just being silly, for what ffs?

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
VVD deserved a straight red card for a foul on Havertz. Then he wouldnt have scored.
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comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly if that's a foul by Kiwior then football is kinda depressing. He didn't push him out the way or anything he just jumped over him.
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Looks like the Liverpool man made a back for Kiwior. Kiwior just got up high enough to win the ball. What is particularly worrying is the ref yet it go until we were in on goal, seems like he wanted to take all possibilities out of it. Never a handball, btw, high on the shoulder.
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Kiwior jumped into Szoboszlai with his hole into his back ffs. It's a clear foul. Nope nowhere near the shoulder. Upper arm but low enough fot handball, for me.
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Fair enough, I disagree but it is what it is. I think most teams would be annoyed with that being disallowed

Ref waits until Havertz gets the bounce of the ball to decide