Still not coming to terms with your fall to small club mentality yet, are you.
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Yeah, we're a small club. Knowing Spurs are ever under our jackboots does offer some consolation though.
Bottomline is Spurs are in no position to mock our CL record just like Burnley are in no position to mock Spurs' PL record. The logic that failing once is better than failing 16 times is just ludicrous and I think we know if roles were reversed, you'll find it so.
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i am not convinced that failing 16 times is better than failing once.
if you fail an exam and retake it... then you would expect to pass it... if you then fail that same exam another 15 times then you are hardly an elite student...
the point of this all started as you seem to consider arsenal as european elite, which is just not true.
"Knowing Spurs are ever under our jackboots does offer some consolation though."
For 45 mins of an entire season. Chapeau
What was the "quality" of the G.oons in their first two CL appearances ... ??
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We weren't good enough - at a time when Serie A and Spanish clubs were much stronger than the PL and other European leagues like the Dutch and German league were much stronger.
"We weren't good enough - at a time when Serie A and Spanish clubs were much stronger than the PL and other European leagues like the Dutch and German league were much stronger."
And just for the record (in case Spurs are in it next season) :
Just how much "stronger" are said leagues at this very moment ??
am not convinced that failing 16 times is better than failing once.
if you fail an exam and retake it... then you would expect to pass it... if you then fail that same exam another 15 times then you are hardly an elite student...
the point of this all started as you seem to consider arsenal as european elite, which is just not true.
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That's a pi55 poor analogy and isn't remotely comparable. We failed those 16 times but you weren't even good enough to get to the point of failing. It's like the Burley analogy I made which you keep avoiding. Wouldn't you find it a joke if a Burnley fan was mocking your league record and claiming you're bigger failures than them because you've failed more times?
i addressed the burnley point in my reply as soon as you made it.
its a stupid analogy due to that being a league... where success and failure is defined by more than simply winning it... especially for a newly promoted team.
the main issue here is you trying to convince yourself that you are european elite, and i am just using common sense to show you why you are talking nonsense
And just for the record (in case Spurs are in it next season) :
Just how much "stronger" are said leagues at this very moment ??
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The Dutch league is an embarrassing shadow of what it once was and is purely a feeder league. The Bundesliga has improved from a couple of seasons back but is still lower than that of the 90's. The Serie A is a shadow of what is once was. The greed of Barcelona and Real Madrid has ruined the Spanish league. Most importantly, English clubs have a far higher status than they had in the 90's when even Utd were heavy underdogs against the likes of Juve, Madrid and Bayern.
i addressed the burnley point in my reply as soon as you made it.
its a stupid analogy due to that being a league... where success and failure is defined by more than simply winning it... especially for a newly promoted team.
the main issue here is you trying to convince yourself that you are european elite, and i am just using common sense to show you why you are talking nonsense
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My analogy is stupid? Take a look at yours. It's patently ridiculous to anyone using the common sense you spoke of. My Burnley analogy is light years better than that you put up and even RDBD would agree. The point is you're simply in no position to mock the record of a team in a tournament you're not good enough to play. THAT is what's common sense but many of your fans who are desperate to clutch any little thing to gloat about somehow think with the most twisted logic that not appearing in the competition while mouthing off at others who do is something to brag about. It isn't. It's a much bigger failure on your part.
Looks to me like :
If Spurs get into the CL for 2012-13 (with a possible "pot 4" ranking) , and again top their group +/- get to the QFs
Tis for no other reason then all these leagues (several of who this year had a FAR better showing in UEFA tournaments than the EPL) being s-h-i-t-e.
Yes ??
"The point is you're simply in no position to mock the record of a team in a tournament you're not good enough to play."
We are in EVERY position to mock a team that has consistently underperformed in it, and WOULD NOT EVEN QUALIFY for it in its original (greater) format.
We are in EVERY position to mock a team that has consistently underperformed in it, and WOULD NOT EVEN QUALIFY for it in its original (greater) format.
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No you're not. We may not qualify in its original format but that may be more of a curse cos we would have been a lot moe competitive in a lower european league that excludes the super wealthy, star-studded elite. I situations were reversed, I'd enjoy every exit that Spurs make but if we aren't playing in it, I'd keep schtum.
My analogy is stupid? Take a look at yours. It's patently ridiculous to anyone using the common sense you spoke of. My Burnley analogy is light years better than that you put up and even RDBD would agree. The point is you're simply in no position to mock the record of a team in a tournament you're not good enough to play. THAT is what's common sense but many of your fans who are desperate to clutch any little thing to gloat about somehow think with the most twisted logic that not appearing in the competition while mouthing off at others who do is something to brag about. It isn't. It's a much bigger failure on your part.
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sigh.
i am close to giving up. you have completely missed the point yet again.
i have reiterated this point several times... this whole thing started as you seem to have the idea that arsenal are european elite.
my question to you is how can you be considered european elite, when you have failed year on year, on year on year on year x16 in a tournament that was designed to find out who the elite teams really are.
arsenal are not one.
your anology of burnley, is better than mine of exams ONLY because it is actually about football.. the concept is the same... year on year failure is nothing to boast about.
mthierry
What would you know about European success, you are still a jumped up teenager, you have not even seen your team win a trophy since you were 12, and then I expect you supported Man United.
Yes, I am.
In your deluded mind you have confused incumbency for being part of a Euro elite.
In England, the UEFA elite are the Poool and Man Utd.
The G.oons cannot even claim a UEFA pedigree by virtue of their trophy cabinet.
You're just a better version of the Finnish fodder that Chronic mentioned.
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And AC Milan ?? We played them too.
Yes, I am.
In your deluded mind you have confused incumbency for being part of a Euro elite.
In England, the UEFA elite are the Poool and Man Utd.
The G.oons cannot even claim a UEFA pedigree by virtue of their trophy cabinet.
You're just a better version of the Finnish fodder that Chronic mentioned.
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Nobody ever defined what elite was in the first place. If you mean on cup winning pedigree, we're not in the class of United of Liverpool; if you mean't seasoned knock out round forces who are in UEFA's top ranked pot, we are. The only thing delusional is thinking you're on our level of European pedigree. I'll accept that if you accept Huddersfield are at you level in English football.
sigh.
i am close to giving up. you have completely missed the point yet again.
i have reiterated this point several times... this whole thing started as you seem to have the idea that arsenal are european elite.
my question to you is how can you be considered european elite, when you have failed year on year, on year on year on year x16 in a tournament that was designed to find out who the elite teams really are.
arsenal are not one.
your anology of burnley, is better than mine of exams ONLY because it is actually about football.. the concept is the same... year on year failure is nothing to boast about.
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I have a simple question for you. Do you consider Tottenham a big club in the Premier League?
mthierry - We're a 1-man team but that's 1 more than the toy tots.
We may not qualify in its original format but that may be more of a curse cos we would have been a lot moe competitive in a lower european league
No you woudn`t, you have only won one European Trophy in your entire history. Go away you plank.
mthierry...
the simple fact is that you have won europe's top prize the same number of times as us, 0, the difference being that you have had 15 more attempts than us !
how on earth can arsenal be in any kind of elite, when liverpool have won 5 and man u have won 4. real have 9.
ajax porto dortmund juve milan inter bayern are just a few of the clubs who have RECENTLY won the trophy, yetstill arsenal cant.......
then there is the small issue of us actually having won more in europe than you...
And AC Milan ?? We played them too.
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Full marks for your defeat of them. They just had a bad tie but on the balance of play over both legs, I thought thay were much the better side. They completely outplayed you in the Lane, certainly.
"The only thing delusional is thinking you're on our level of European pedigree."
According to UEFA, the G.oons have the SAME at best.
Again, your delusion causes you to confuse pedigree with incumbency of a weaker form of a tournament.
sigh.
i am close to giving up. you have completely missed the point yet again.
i have reiterated this point several times... this whole thing started as you seem to have the idea that arsenal are european elite.
my question to you is how can you be considered european elite, when you have failed year on year, on year on year on year x16 in a tournament that was designed to find out who the elite teams really are.
arsenal are not one.
your anology of burnley, is better than mine of exams ONLY because it is actually about football.. the concept is the same... year on year failure is nothing to boast about.
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I have a simple question for you. Do you consider Tottenham a big club in the Premier League?
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of course we are.. but we are not elite...... we havent ever even been in the top 3 so how can we be...?
being a big club is one thing.......being elite is something different.....
leeds are a big club.. but are clearly not european elite.
We may not qualify in its original format but that may be more of a curse cos we would have been a lot moe competitive in a lower european league
No you woudn`t, you have only won one European Trophy in your entire history. Go away you plank.
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It's actually 2 trophies. Our record in the 70's has nothing to do with possible performances now. Wenger got to the final of his only UEFA Cup so I'm confident we'd have been much more competitive in it. We certainly won't get knocked out by PAOK.
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posted on 15/5/12
Still not coming to terms with your fall to small club mentality yet, are you.
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Yeah, we're a small club. Knowing Spurs are ever under our jackboots does offer some consolation though.
posted on 15/5/12
Bottomline is Spurs are in no position to mock our CL record just like Burnley are in no position to mock Spurs' PL record. The logic that failing once is better than failing 16 times is just ludicrous and I think we know if roles were reversed, you'll find it so.
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i am not convinced that failing 16 times is better than failing once.
if you fail an exam and retake it... then you would expect to pass it... if you then fail that same exam another 15 times then you are hardly an elite student...
the point of this all started as you seem to consider arsenal as european elite, which is just not true.
posted on 15/5/12
"Knowing Spurs are ever under our jackboots does offer some consolation though."
For 45 mins of an entire season. Chapeau
posted on 15/5/12
What was the "quality" of the G.oons in their first two CL appearances ... ??
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We weren't good enough - at a time when Serie A and Spanish clubs were much stronger than the PL and other European leagues like the Dutch and German league were much stronger.
posted on 15/5/12
"We weren't good enough - at a time when Serie A and Spanish clubs were much stronger than the PL and other European leagues like the Dutch and German league were much stronger."
And just for the record (in case Spurs are in it next season) :
Just how much "stronger" are said leagues at this very moment ??
posted on 15/5/12
am not convinced that failing 16 times is better than failing once.
if you fail an exam and retake it... then you would expect to pass it... if you then fail that same exam another 15 times then you are hardly an elite student...
the point of this all started as you seem to consider arsenal as european elite, which is just not true.
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That's a pi55 poor analogy and isn't remotely comparable. We failed those 16 times but you weren't even good enough to get to the point of failing. It's like the Burley analogy I made which you keep avoiding. Wouldn't you find it a joke if a Burnley fan was mocking your league record and claiming you're bigger failures than them because you've failed more times?
posted on 15/5/12
i addressed the burnley point in my reply as soon as you made it.
its a stupid analogy due to that being a league... where success and failure is defined by more than simply winning it... especially for a newly promoted team.
the main issue here is you trying to convince yourself that you are european elite, and i am just using common sense to show you why you are talking nonsense
posted on 15/5/12
And just for the record (in case Spurs are in it next season) :
Just how much "stronger" are said leagues at this very moment ??
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The Dutch league is an embarrassing shadow of what it once was and is purely a feeder league. The Bundesliga has improved from a couple of seasons back but is still lower than that of the 90's. The Serie A is a shadow of what is once was. The greed of Barcelona and Real Madrid has ruined the Spanish league. Most importantly, English clubs have a far higher status than they had in the 90's when even Utd were heavy underdogs against the likes of Juve, Madrid and Bayern.
posted on 15/5/12
i addressed the burnley point in my reply as soon as you made it.
its a stupid analogy due to that being a league... where success and failure is defined by more than simply winning it... especially for a newly promoted team.
the main issue here is you trying to convince yourself that you are european elite, and i am just using common sense to show you why you are talking nonsense
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My analogy is stupid? Take a look at yours. It's patently ridiculous to anyone using the common sense you spoke of. My Burnley analogy is light years better than that you put up and even RDBD would agree. The point is you're simply in no position to mock the record of a team in a tournament you're not good enough to play. THAT is what's common sense but many of your fans who are desperate to clutch any little thing to gloat about somehow think with the most twisted logic that not appearing in the competition while mouthing off at others who do is something to brag about. It isn't. It's a much bigger failure on your part.
posted on 15/5/12
Looks to me like :
If Spurs get into the CL for 2012-13 (with a possible "pot 4" ranking) , and again top their group +/- get to the QFs
Tis for no other reason then all these leagues (several of who this year had a FAR better showing in UEFA tournaments than the EPL) being s-h-i-t-e.
Yes ??
posted on 15/5/12
"The point is you're simply in no position to mock the record of a team in a tournament you're not good enough to play."
We are in EVERY position to mock a team that has consistently underperformed in it, and WOULD NOT EVEN QUALIFY for it in its original (greater) format.
posted on 15/5/12
We are in EVERY position to mock a team that has consistently underperformed in it, and WOULD NOT EVEN QUALIFY for it in its original (greater) format.
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No you're not. We may not qualify in its original format but that may be more of a curse cos we would have been a lot moe competitive in a lower european league that excludes the super wealthy, star-studded elite. I situations were reversed, I'd enjoy every exit that Spurs make but if we aren't playing in it, I'd keep schtum.
posted on 15/5/12
My analogy is stupid? Take a look at yours. It's patently ridiculous to anyone using the common sense you spoke of. My Burnley analogy is light years better than that you put up and even RDBD would agree. The point is you're simply in no position to mock the record of a team in a tournament you're not good enough to play. THAT is what's common sense but many of your fans who are desperate to clutch any little thing to gloat about somehow think with the most twisted logic that not appearing in the competition while mouthing off at others who do is something to brag about. It isn't. It's a much bigger failure on your part.
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sigh.
i am close to giving up. you have completely missed the point yet again.
i have reiterated this point several times... this whole thing started as you seem to have the idea that arsenal are european elite.
my question to you is how can you be considered european elite, when you have failed year on year, on year on year on year x16 in a tournament that was designed to find out who the elite teams really are.
arsenal are not one.
your anology of burnley, is better than mine of exams ONLY because it is actually about football.. the concept is the same... year on year failure is nothing to boast about.
posted on 15/5/12
mthierry
What would you know about European success, you are still a jumped up teenager, you have not even seen your team win a trophy since you were 12, and then I expect you supported Man United.
posted on 15/5/12
Yes, I am.
In your deluded mind you have confused incumbency for being part of a Euro elite.
In England, the UEFA elite are the Poool and Man Utd.
The G.oons cannot even claim a UEFA pedigree by virtue of their trophy cabinet.
You're just a better version of the Finnish fodder that Chronic mentioned.
posted on 15/5/12
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posted on 15/5/12
And AC Milan ?? We played them too.
posted on 15/5/12
Yes, I am.
In your deluded mind you have confused incumbency for being part of a Euro elite.
In England, the UEFA elite are the Poool and Man Utd.
The G.oons cannot even claim a UEFA pedigree by virtue of their trophy cabinet.
You're just a better version of the Finnish fodder that Chronic mentioned.
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Nobody ever defined what elite was in the first place. If you mean on cup winning pedigree, we're not in the class of United of Liverpool; if you mean't seasoned knock out round forces who are in UEFA's top ranked pot, we are. The only thing delusional is thinking you're on our level of European pedigree. I'll accept that if you accept Huddersfield are at you level in English football.
posted on 15/5/12
sigh.
i am close to giving up. you have completely missed the point yet again.
i have reiterated this point several times... this whole thing started as you seem to have the idea that arsenal are european elite.
my question to you is how can you be considered european elite, when you have failed year on year, on year on year on year x16 in a tournament that was designed to find out who the elite teams really are.
arsenal are not one.
your anology of burnley, is better than mine of exams ONLY because it is actually about football.. the concept is the same... year on year failure is nothing to boast about.
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I have a simple question for you. Do you consider Tottenham a big club in the Premier League?
posted on 15/5/12
mthierry - We're a 1-man team but that's 1 more than the toy tots.
We may not qualify in its original format but that may be more of a curse cos we would have been a lot moe competitive in a lower european league
No you woudn`t, you have only won one European Trophy in your entire history. Go away you plank.
posted on 15/5/12
mthierry...
the simple fact is that you have won europe's top prize the same number of times as us, 0, the difference being that you have had 15 more attempts than us !
how on earth can arsenal be in any kind of elite, when liverpool have won 5 and man u have won 4. real have 9.
ajax porto dortmund juve milan inter bayern are just a few of the clubs who have RECENTLY won the trophy, yetstill arsenal cant.......
then there is the small issue of us actually having won more in europe than you...
posted on 15/5/12
And AC Milan ?? We played them too.
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Full marks for your defeat of them. They just had a bad tie but on the balance of play over both legs, I thought thay were much the better side. They completely outplayed you in the Lane, certainly.
posted on 15/5/12
"The only thing delusional is thinking you're on our level of European pedigree."
According to UEFA, the G.oons have the SAME at best.
Again, your delusion causes you to confuse pedigree with incumbency of a weaker form of a tournament.
posted on 15/5/12
sigh.
i am close to giving up. you have completely missed the point yet again.
i have reiterated this point several times... this whole thing started as you seem to have the idea that arsenal are european elite.
my question to you is how can you be considered european elite, when you have failed year on year, on year on year on year x16 in a tournament that was designed to find out who the elite teams really are.
arsenal are not one.
your anology of burnley, is better than mine of exams ONLY because it is actually about football.. the concept is the same... year on year failure is nothing to boast about.
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I have a simple question for you. Do you consider Tottenham a big club in the Premier League?
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of course we are.. but we are not elite...... we havent ever even been in the top 3 so how can we be...?
being a big club is one thing.......being elite is something different.....
leeds are a big club.. but are clearly not european elite.
posted on 15/5/12
We may not qualify in its original format but that may be more of a curse cos we would have been a lot moe competitive in a lower european league
No you woudn`t, you have only won one European Trophy in your entire history. Go away you plank.
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It's actually 2 trophies. Our record in the 70's has nothing to do with possible performances now. Wenger got to the final of his only UEFA Cup so I'm confident we'd have been much more competitive in it. We certainly won't get knocked out by PAOK.
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