johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 17 minutes ago
I also posted the artists reason for doing the picture - Balotelli dominating England - he may have chosen a contentious image for some - but his message is clear there. I don't believe he would purposefully portray a fellow countryman who they are relying on to win the Euros as a derogatory figure and bring this criticism on himself knowingly. It could be the end of his career, why would he risk that?
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To be edgey and get himself popularity by being notorious. Just like that what's-her-name soiled tampon bedroom artist person. or that artist that did the chopped up animals. It is a very cheap form of attention
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posted 47 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
This is a whole different argument than the one I was making before but one just as relevant.
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then i am afraid i don't understand what you mean
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If the illustration had gorilla features with Balotelli's head, then some could argue, Balotelli is being portrayed as an over-sized gorilla. However if it doesn't then some could argue that he is being portrayed as having the same mentality as King Kong, not features.
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So did my view of him being portrayed as a soldier offend you TOOR. Or did I hit a nerve with my finishing line?
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comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
So did my view of him being portrayed as a soldier offend you TOOR. Or did I hit a nerve with my finishing line?
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It was the finishing line that did it. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know that.
I'll give you an example, Rap was of the opinion Suarez was guilty, he's now of the opinion that the cartoonist is not. There is no link whatsoever between the two incidents. Stop trying to make one.
Im just trying to undersatand your stance on all of this and how it change from the start of this thead to the back end of it?
comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 54 seconds ago
Im just trying to undersatand your stance on all of this and how it change from the start of this thead to the back end of it?
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Read the article and comments if you want to understand.
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Well your view changed from ......"it's not at all racist", to "it could be seen to have racist undertones"
I've googled the cartoonist and all that comes up is cartoon winners of various prizes that are very long and need a lot of effort to find Marini's! I don't see the cartoon as edgey. He chose the wrong character to portray the 'giant' Balotelli it appears. Any suggestion how he could have got over the message of giant-killer of England? Serious question.
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comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 54 seconds ago
Well your view changed from ......"it's not at all racist", to "it could be seen to have racist undertones"
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Well done on your observation. You're next question is going to be why, then I tell you to read the comments and so on. If you couldn't spell or form a proper sentence, I'd actually think you were Phil's other account. I've went over this with him already, if you both are too lazy to read the comments and how the discussion has progressed, then there is no point commenting.
Any suggestion how he could have got over the message of giant-killer of England? Serious question.
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He could've drawn a giant
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PJ's - it's called a journey of discovery and being open to others opinions on something you aren't an expert in ie art/film. I think TOOR is still of the opinion it isn't racist but he's learnt a lot on the way, as we all have, and is now seeing something he didn't see before. That could be dangerous imo. Children aren't born prejudiced, they learn it. They don't see one race as dominant than another. If peers teach them otherwise then a problem arises.
"He could've drawn a giant"
He did!
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 2 minutes ago
Any suggestion how he could have got over the message of giant-killer of England? Serious question.
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He could've drawn a giant
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The giant wouldn't have portrayed the message though that Balotelli is misunderstood and derided by the English only to come back and conquer them.
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makar - if you had never heard or seen KK then saw this cartoon what does it portray? Please answer honestly.
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
The giant wouldn't have portrayed the message though that Balotelli is misunderstood and derided by the English only to come back and conquer them.
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There are literally millions of ways you can represent it, I'm not an illustrator nor do I work in creative services or anything like that so I'm not going to start racking my brains for various ways we could depict Italy beating England and them having a misunderstood player. It's such a vague concept that there are so many ways it could be illustrated.
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 16 seconds ago
makar - if you had never heard or seen KK then saw this cartoon what does it portray? Please answer honestly.
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I suspect I would just be very confused by it. I guess I would imagine a giant rampaging through london and having balls thrown at him, I would be seeking answers as to why it is being represented in such a way I think, this isn't the sort of thing you see every day.
However I cannot unknow my knowledge and so it is very hard to say
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
The giant wouldn't have portrayed the message though that Balotelli is misunderstood and derided by the English only to come back and conquer them.
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There are literally millions of ways you can represent it, I'm not an illustrator nor do I work in creative services or anything like that so I'm not going to start racking my brains for various ways we could depict Italy beating England and them having a misunderstood player. It's such a vague concept that there are so many ways it could be illustrated.
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And the best way in my mind I can think of, in fact, the perfect way, is to portray Balotelli as King Kong, just because he happens to be black, wouldn't change that for me. Although if I worked for a newspaper, I would be pretty annoyed I didn't know about the links to racism in King Kong history, as I would have then thought twice about sending it to print.
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posted on 28/6/12
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 17 minutes ago
I also posted the artists reason for doing the picture - Balotelli dominating England - he may have chosen a contentious image for some - but his message is clear there. I don't believe he would purposefully portray a fellow countryman who they are relying on to win the Euros as a derogatory figure and bring this criticism on himself knowingly. It could be the end of his career, why would he risk that?
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To be edgey and get himself popularity by being notorious. Just like that what's-her-name soiled tampon bedroom artist person. or that artist that did the chopped up animals. It is a very cheap form of attention
posted on 28/6/12
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 47 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
This is a whole different argument than the one I was making before but one just as relevant.
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then i am afraid i don't understand what you mean
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If the illustration had gorilla features with Balotelli's head, then some could argue, Balotelli is being portrayed as an over-sized gorilla. However if it doesn't then some could argue that he is being portrayed as having the same mentality as King Kong, not features.
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
So did my view of him being portrayed as a soldier offend you TOOR. Or did I hit a nerve with my finishing line?
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
So did my view of him being portrayed as a soldier offend you TOOR. Or did I hit a nerve with my finishing line?
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It was the finishing line that did it. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know that.
I'll give you an example, Rap was of the opinion Suarez was guilty, he's now of the opinion that the cartoonist is not. There is no link whatsoever between the two incidents. Stop trying to make one.
posted on 28/6/12
Im just trying to undersatand your stance on all of this and how it change from the start of this thead to the back end of it?
posted on 28/6/12
comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 54 seconds ago
Im just trying to undersatand your stance on all of this and how it change from the start of this thead to the back end of it?
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Read the article and comments if you want to understand.
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
Well your view changed from ......"it's not at all racist", to "it could be seen to have racist undertones"
posted on 28/6/12
I've googled the cartoonist and all that comes up is cartoon winners of various prizes that are very long and need a lot of effort to find Marini's! I don't see the cartoon as edgey. He chose the wrong character to portray the 'giant' Balotelli it appears. Any suggestion how he could have got over the message of giant-killer of England? Serious question.
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posted on 28/6/12
comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 54 seconds ago
Well your view changed from ......"it's not at all racist", to "it could be seen to have racist undertones"
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Well done on your observation. You're next question is going to be why, then I tell you to read the comments and so on. If you couldn't spell or form a proper sentence, I'd actually think you were Phil's other account. I've went over this with him already, if you both are too lazy to read the comments and how the discussion has progressed, then there is no point commenting.
posted on 28/6/12
Any suggestion how he could have got over the message of giant-killer of England? Serious question.
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He could've drawn a giant
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
PJ's - it's called a journey of discovery and being open to others opinions on something you aren't an expert in ie art/film. I think TOOR is still of the opinion it isn't racist but he's learnt a lot on the way, as we all have, and is now seeing something he didn't see before. That could be dangerous imo. Children aren't born prejudiced, they learn it. They don't see one race as dominant than another. If peers teach them otherwise then a problem arises.
posted on 28/6/12
"He could've drawn a giant"
He did!
posted on 28/6/12
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 2 minutes ago
Any suggestion how he could have got over the message of giant-killer of England? Serious question.
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He could've drawn a giant
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The giant wouldn't have portrayed the message though that Balotelli is misunderstood and derided by the English only to come back and conquer them.
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
makar - if you had never heard or seen KK then saw this cartoon what does it portray? Please answer honestly.
posted on 28/6/12
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
The giant wouldn't have portrayed the message though that Balotelli is misunderstood and derided by the English only to come back and conquer them.
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There are literally millions of ways you can represent it, I'm not an illustrator nor do I work in creative services or anything like that so I'm not going to start racking my brains for various ways we could depict Italy beating England and them having a misunderstood player. It's such a vague concept that there are so many ways it could be illustrated.
posted on 28/6/12
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 16 seconds ago
makar - if you had never heard or seen KK then saw this cartoon what does it portray? Please answer honestly.
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I suspect I would just be very confused by it. I guess I would imagine a giant rampaging through london and having balls thrown at him, I would be seeking answers as to why it is being represented in such a way I think, this isn't the sort of thing you see every day.
However I cannot unknow my knowledge and so it is very hard to say
posted on 28/6/12
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
The giant wouldn't have portrayed the message though that Balotelli is misunderstood and derided by the English only to come back and conquer them.
--
There are literally millions of ways you can represent it, I'm not an illustrator nor do I work in creative services or anything like that so I'm not going to start racking my brains for various ways we could depict Italy beating England and them having a misunderstood player. It's such a vague concept that there are so many ways it could be illustrated.
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And the best way in my mind I can think of, in fact, the perfect way, is to portray Balotelli as King Kong, just because he happens to be black, wouldn't change that for me. Although if I worked for a newspaper, I would be pretty annoyed I didn't know about the links to racism in King Kong history, as I would have then thought twice about sending it to print.
posted on 28/6/12
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