So RVP can't be world class because of his first 4 seasons in the PL? How does that work?
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So the people that say Suarez needs to keep producing for a couple of seasons are wrong too then.
Thanks for agreeing.
comment by Metro_ (U6770)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem in this thread is that nobody wants to acknowledge that a world class player could represent Liverpool.
Come off it, everybody rated Gerrard and Torres as such, and Alonso (like Suarez) was rated very highly.
If you believe Suarez is one of the best 10/15 players in the world, that's your opinion, but it's a bias one.
comment by Metro_ (U6770)
posted 29 seconds ago
So RVP can't be world class because of his first 4 seasons in the PL? How does that work?
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So the people that say Suarez needs to keep producing for a couple of seasons are wrong too then.
Thanks for agreeing.
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The two don't equate to each other though do they? RVP has shown that he can do it in the PL for the last 4/5 years.
Suarez hasn't.
So RVP can't be world class because of his first 4 seasons in the PL? How does that work?
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This comment implies that form over previous years is irrelevant and that world class form should be judged on the current attributes of the player.
On the evidence of the last few months, Suarez is undoubtedly world class.
You can attempt to discredit peoples views but when one particular player dominates an international tournament and is the stand out performer in his league then don't shy away just because it pains you to admit it.
On the evidence of the last few months, Suarez is undoubtedly world class.
Like we have said, a number of times, if he keeps this form up over the corse of a couple of seasons he may well fall into that category. But how many times has he has a good month or two and then played average for the next 3?
A world class player performed at Olympic level, surely.
Performs at Olympic level**
Like we have said, a number of times, if he keeps this form up over the corse of a couple of seasons he may well fall into that category. But how many times has he has a good month or two and then played average for the next 3?
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I can't think of a spell whereby Suarez hasn't been breath-taking.
The odd game.. Maybe but don't try and tell us he has Rooney-esque spells doing nothing.
You clearly haven't watched him
Criticising Rooney for not scoring for that half a season is like criticising Suarez for his lack of his this coming summer after the premiership has ended...
He wasn't actually playing football for the majority of those 6 months. People added the end of the season at United, where he was injured, added in the international break (do I really need to repeatedly explain that Suarez and Rooney's international form do not matter a jot to United fans and only to Liverpool fans as part of their argument.) and some time at the start of the next season where Rooney was off in America and other things...
Players don't score goals when they are not playing, a tricky concept at first I will admit.
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Talk about being in denial.
Suarez would be the first name on the team sheet in every club in this country........
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I can only assume that managers are being asked to list down the most racist players in the premiership, or those with the most prominent front teeth as only in the mind of Liverpools most deluded poster could this be because of skill reasons...
It takes more than a few good games to become a world class player, was Cisse all of a sudden world class during his scoring spree last season for Newcastle because in that short space of time he looked very impressive, even more impressive than Suarez has looked in an even shorter time frame this season...
So how is Suarez world class but not Cisse? (going back to last season)
Anyone who mentions the Dutch league should understand that being a top player in the Dutch league only garentees that someone is a good player, at least as good as the likes of Alfonso Alves and Dirk Kuyt. What it doesn't do is give you any useful information for sorting between good players and world class players as they will just both look very very good in the Dutch league...
Suarez has admittedly been world class for Uruguay... almost as world class as David Healy for Northern Ireland, that man single handedly dragged that extremely poor team to some decent results over the years. I only wish Rooney could be as good as this guy, as we all know scoring loads of goals against various rubbish international sides in the one or two international games every year is much more important that consistently playing well in the marathon of club games each English team plays against mostly quality opposition.
Suarez has admittedly been world class for Uruguay... almost as world class as David Healy for Northern Ireland, that man single handedly dragged that extremely poor team to some decent results over the years.
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Not the same as winning an international tournament is it pffft
Not the same as winning an international tournament is it pffft
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Well in that case he is right up there with the members of the current Zambian team and members of the Greek 2000 Euro squad.
Have to say in fairness to Healy though Suarez at Uruguay has far better team mates than Healy, can't imagine Suarez scoring one of the most impressive hat tricks I have ever seen against Spain.
So you're analogy was wrong then
So you're analogy was wrong then
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If I have entered a strange parallel universe where the Euro 2000 Greek squad and the current Zambian squad are considered world class then yes it was terribly wrong...
On the off chance I am still in the same universe I have always been in the analogy holds.
I meant the Healy one were you likened a few surprise performances with a tournament winning contribution
Nice work chump
Having even a poor world cup qualifying (or euro cup qualifying) campaign is probably the same equivalent as Uruguay winning the Copa America..
I feel like I am talking to someone with very little football knowledge so I will break it down to you...
Uruguay outside of Suarez are a million times the team Northern Ireland were without Healy (back in the day when he played well for them)
What you are doing is similar to me saying Darren Gibson is a far better midfielder than Gerrard because of his premier league medals, everyone knows Gerrard is the better player, but using your above reasoning Gibson is in fact better than Gerrard...
There you go Suarez is world class because of his contributions at international level and Gibson is a far superior player than Gerrard has ever been because of his premier league medals.
So Suarez is world class because of the last few months? I don't think so. Nani has had spells were he has been as good as Suarez at the moment, but is never call him world class. You have to do it over a longer period and sustain those performance levels first. Susrez may extend his current form over the next 12 months and then he'd have a claim for that kind of title. Right now he is a very good player in great form. Calling him world class is a classic example if throwing the term about too easily.
Stat I think it is a very real need that Liverpool fans have to have at least one world class player and have at least one player they can say is better than almost all the players in the United team.
You really do get the feeling with Liverpool fans that if it wasn't Suarez it would be Agger or Lucas or anyone that they can stick the label on...
Having even a poor world cup qualifying (or euro cup qualifying) campaign is probably the same equivalent as Uruguay winning the Copa America..
I feel like I am talking to someone with very little football knowledge so I will break it down to you...
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Reading your first paragraph followed by your second is highly amusing.
There is nothing to break down. One poster compared Suarez's international exploits to that of Healys.
Why continue when you're clearly out of sorts with moronic comparisons like that.
Nani and Rooney have had many long spells out of form. Suarez hasn't - unless your only looking at goals scored.
world-class (wûrldkls)
adj.
1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order: a world-class footballer.
2. Great, as in Luis Suarez
thread's dead baby
Metro the word Northern Ireland was missing from my opening paragraph.
Or would you disagree that it is not much harder for N Ireland to get close to qualifying than it is for Uruguay to win the Copa?
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Why continue when you're clearly out of sorts with moronic comparisons like that.
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I am just trying to get through to idiotic Liverpool fans that a good international goal scoring record alone does not make a player world class.
At no point did I say David Healy was anywhere near as good as Suarez. Anyone will tell you Healy was a very average player who happened to do really well for his country. That is why international statistics alone do not make him a great player...
Yes even if you include the statistics from the bloody Dutch league it is not going to impress people either!
What is impressing people is his form this season but a lot of the Liverpool fans have got carried away with this recent form added it to a good goal scoring record at international level and combined with scoring a load in an easy league a few years ago seem to think they have one of the worlds best players...
7_The_Arab (U5768)
posted 15 minutes ago
Having even a poor world cup qualifying (or euro cup qualifying) campaign is probably the same equivalent as Uruguay winning the Copa America..
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Utter twaddle.
Utter twaddle.
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I can't decide if you really underestimate how good a side Uruguay are, really underestimate how bad a side Northern Ireland are or if you are just illiterate and couldn't understand the part above where I explained to Metro Northern Ireland should have been in that paragraph....
Given it is you I am going for the latter.
What is impressing people is his form this season but a lot of the Liverpool fans have got carried away with this recent form
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Recent form is just Suarez settling even mire into the league
But the Liverpool fans as well as pundits, neutrals were all aware of Suarez's ability before this season.
Once Suarez has done it for a sustained period in a top league then we can take this world class claim seriously. But I'm not taking too seriously a league where Kezman scored so many.
Most neutrals seem to see it one way, most Liverpool fans another. This may tell you something....
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posted on 19/11/12
* 3rd and 4th seasons
posted on 19/11/12
So RVP can't be world class because of his first 4 seasons in the PL? How does that work?
.....
So the people that say Suarez needs to keep producing for a couple of seasons are wrong too then.
Thanks for agreeing.
posted on 19/11/12
comment by Metro_ (U6770)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem in this thread is that nobody wants to acknowledge that a world class player could represent Liverpool.
Come off it, everybody rated Gerrard and Torres as such, and Alonso (like Suarez) was rated very highly.
If you believe Suarez is one of the best 10/15 players in the world, that's your opinion, but it's a bias one.
posted on 19/11/12
comment by Metro_ (U6770)
posted 29 seconds ago
So RVP can't be world class because of his first 4 seasons in the PL? How does that work?
.....
So the people that say Suarez needs to keep producing for a couple of seasons are wrong too then.
Thanks for agreeing.
---------------------------------
The two don't equate to each other though do they? RVP has shown that he can do it in the PL for the last 4/5 years.
Suarez hasn't.
posted on 19/11/12
So RVP can't be world class because of his first 4 seasons in the PL? How does that work?
....
This comment implies that form over previous years is irrelevant and that world class form should be judged on the current attributes of the player.
On the evidence of the last few months, Suarez is undoubtedly world class.
You can attempt to discredit peoples views but when one particular player dominates an international tournament and is the stand out performer in his league then don't shy away just because it pains you to admit it.
posted on 19/11/12
On the evidence of the last few months, Suarez is undoubtedly world class.
Like we have said, a number of times, if he keeps this form up over the corse of a couple of seasons he may well fall into that category. But how many times has he has a good month or two and then played average for the next 3?
A world class player performed at Olympic level, surely.
posted on 19/11/12
Performs at Olympic level**
posted on 19/11/12
Like we have said, a number of times, if he keeps this form up over the corse of a couple of seasons he may well fall into that category. But how many times has he has a good month or two and then played average for the next 3?
.....
I can't think of a spell whereby Suarez hasn't been breath-taking.
The odd game.. Maybe but don't try and tell us he has Rooney-esque spells doing nothing.
You clearly haven't watched him
posted on 19/11/12
Criticising Rooney for not scoring for that half a season is like criticising Suarez for his lack of his this coming summer after the premiership has ended...
He wasn't actually playing football for the majority of those 6 months. People added the end of the season at United, where he was injured, added in the international break (do I really need to repeatedly explain that Suarez and Rooney's international form do not matter a jot to United fans and only to Liverpool fans as part of their argument.) and some time at the start of the next season where Rooney was off in America and other things...
Players don't score goals when they are not playing, a tricky concept at first I will admit.
.................................
Talk about being in denial.
Suarez would be the first name on the team sheet in every club in this country........
.........................................
I can only assume that managers are being asked to list down the most racist players in the premiership, or those with the most prominent front teeth as only in the mind of Liverpools most deluded poster could this be because of skill reasons...
It takes more than a few good games to become a world class player, was Cisse all of a sudden world class during his scoring spree last season for Newcastle because in that short space of time he looked very impressive, even more impressive than Suarez has looked in an even shorter time frame this season...
So how is Suarez world class but not Cisse? (going back to last season)
Anyone who mentions the Dutch league should understand that being a top player in the Dutch league only garentees that someone is a good player, at least as good as the likes of Alfonso Alves and Dirk Kuyt. What it doesn't do is give you any useful information for sorting between good players and world class players as they will just both look very very good in the Dutch league...
Suarez has admittedly been world class for Uruguay... almost as world class as David Healy for Northern Ireland, that man single handedly dragged that extremely poor team to some decent results over the years. I only wish Rooney could be as good as this guy, as we all know scoring loads of goals against various rubbish international sides in the one or two international games every year is much more important that consistently playing well in the marathon of club games each English team plays against mostly quality opposition.
posted on 19/11/12
Suarez has admittedly been world class for Uruguay... almost as world class as David Healy for Northern Ireland, that man single handedly dragged that extremely poor team to some decent results over the years.
......
Not the same as winning an international tournament is it pffft
posted on 19/11/12
Not the same as winning an international tournament is it pffft
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Well in that case he is right up there with the members of the current Zambian team and members of the Greek 2000 Euro squad.
Have to say in fairness to Healy though Suarez at Uruguay has far better team mates than Healy, can't imagine Suarez scoring one of the most impressive hat tricks I have ever seen against Spain.
posted on 19/11/12
So you're analogy was wrong then
posted on 19/11/12
So you're analogy was wrong then
......................................
If I have entered a strange parallel universe where the Euro 2000 Greek squad and the current Zambian squad are considered world class then yes it was terribly wrong...
On the off chance I am still in the same universe I have always been in the analogy holds.
posted on 19/11/12
I meant the Healy one were you likened a few surprise performances with a tournament winning contribution
Nice work chump
posted on 19/11/12
Having even a poor world cup qualifying (or euro cup qualifying) campaign is probably the same equivalent as Uruguay winning the Copa America..
I feel like I am talking to someone with very little football knowledge so I will break it down to you...
Uruguay outside of Suarez are a million times the team Northern Ireland were without Healy (back in the day when he played well for them)
What you are doing is similar to me saying Darren Gibson is a far better midfielder than Gerrard because of his premier league medals, everyone knows Gerrard is the better player, but using your above reasoning Gibson is in fact better than Gerrard...
There you go Suarez is world class because of his contributions at international level and Gibson is a far superior player than Gerrard has ever been because of his premier league medals.
posted on 19/11/12
So Suarez is world class because of the last few months? I don't think so. Nani has had spells were he has been as good as Suarez at the moment, but is never call him world class. You have to do it over a longer period and sustain those performance levels first. Susrez may extend his current form over the next 12 months and then he'd have a claim for that kind of title. Right now he is a very good player in great form. Calling him world class is a classic example if throwing the term about too easily.
posted on 19/11/12
Stat I think it is a very real need that Liverpool fans have to have at least one world class player and have at least one player they can say is better than almost all the players in the United team.
You really do get the feeling with Liverpool fans that if it wasn't Suarez it would be Agger or Lucas or anyone that they can stick the label on...
posted on 19/11/12
Having even a poor world cup qualifying (or euro cup qualifying) campaign is probably the same equivalent as Uruguay winning the Copa America..
I feel like I am talking to someone with very little football knowledge so I will break it down to you...
.....
Reading your first paragraph followed by your second is highly amusing.
There is nothing to break down. One poster compared Suarez's international exploits to that of Healys.
Why continue when you're clearly out of sorts with moronic comparisons like that.
Nani and Rooney have had many long spells out of form. Suarez hasn't - unless your only looking at goals scored.
posted on 19/11/12
world-class (wûrldkls)
adj.
1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order: a world-class footballer.
2. Great, as in Luis Suarez
thread's dead baby
posted on 19/11/12
Metro the word Northern Ireland was missing from my opening paragraph.
Or would you disagree that it is not much harder for N Ireland to get close to qualifying than it is for Uruguay to win the Copa?
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Why continue when you're clearly out of sorts with moronic comparisons like that.
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I am just trying to get through to idiotic Liverpool fans that a good international goal scoring record alone does not make a player world class.
At no point did I say David Healy was anywhere near as good as Suarez. Anyone will tell you Healy was a very average player who happened to do really well for his country. That is why international statistics alone do not make him a great player...
Yes even if you include the statistics from the bloody Dutch league it is not going to impress people either!
What is impressing people is his form this season but a lot of the Liverpool fans have got carried away with this recent form added it to a good goal scoring record at international level and combined with scoring a load in an easy league a few years ago seem to think they have one of the worlds best players...
posted on 19/11/12
7_The_Arab (U5768)
posted 15 minutes ago
Having even a poor world cup qualifying (or euro cup qualifying) campaign is probably the same equivalent as Uruguay winning the Copa America..
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Utter twaddle.
posted on 19/11/12
Utter twaddle.
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I can't decide if you really underestimate how good a side Uruguay are, really underestimate how bad a side Northern Ireland are or if you are just illiterate and couldn't understand the part above where I explained to Metro Northern Ireland should have been in that paragraph....
Given it is you I am going for the latter.
posted on 19/11/12
What is impressing people is his form this season but a lot of the Liverpool fans have got carried away with this recent form
.....
Recent form is just Suarez settling even mire into the league
But the Liverpool fans as well as pundits, neutrals were all aware of Suarez's ability before this season.
posted on 19/11/12
Once Suarez has done it for a sustained period in a top league then we can take this world class claim seriously. But I'm not taking too seriously a league where Kezman scored so many.
posted on 19/11/12
Most neutrals seem to see it one way, most Liverpool fans another. This may tell you something....
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