HNIC, 35m is not far off the initial 20-30m value which I originally said. 20 being the opening bid which is being reported by journos, then negotiationg being done by your side to drive the deal up to 30 maybe 35. I dont see it getting to 50m. I think 35m probably is the best deal for all parties taking everything into account.
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As I said I was a bit over zealous when I said 50M

I still think 35M is the minimum.

I think Mourinho is giving a press conference today. Watch out for it

Should be fun. What if the Mata thing was true and Chelsea are angry United released that info?

Wasnt the press conference this morning?

Well if we did include Mata and then lied about it, we'd be digging ourselves a bigger hole. There's not many times you see a club make a statement like we have, to confirm a bid and reject the possibility of any of our players being included in that deal as it leaves us open for Utd to reply with their own "Chelsea are lying" statement.

Well if we did include Mata and then lied about it, we'd be digging ourselves a bigger hole. There's not many times you see a club make a statement like we have, to confirm a bid and reject the possibility of any of our players being included in that deal as it leaves us open for Utd to reply with their own "Chelsea are lying" statement.

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Suppose so. Chelsea are short of numbers in midfield and defence so it wont be anyone from there, if a swap was mooted then its likely it would be an attacker and I think deep inside no United fan actually believed it was Mata.

Yeh you're right.. to be honest though, its livened up today for me. Ive done no work at all

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Yeh you're right.. to be honest though, its livened up today for me. Ive done no work at all
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Same here no hard feelings

Sometimes our club loyalty gets in the way of common sense

No hard feelings, we'll be crossing paths a lot more I think in the next few weeks.

Fack it, no one else is watching this thread.

Great. Elvis is stalking us..

Elvis, where's that bloke Raj?

He's right here with me.

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I'm actually quite shocked that Man Utd would leak something that ridiculous. I have always thought of Man Utd as an honest club - and have not been terribly impressed by how Chelsea management have conducted business in recent years. However, I have to say that this story about Mata & Luiz smacks of just being an outright lie - which Chelsea were immediately able to deny. Man Utd have come out of this looking really poor. Lying about players from other teams - that is very low. They may be frustrated by the Rooney saga, but that is of their own creation - it's not Chelsea's fault.

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HNIC, my value for Rooney has not changed - not a penny less than 50M.

I might be the chief detractor of Rooney but he is still an elite forward and an extremely marketable footballer (Mata is currently a better footballer than Rooney but Mata does not have a quarter of Rooney's marketability); also strikers cost a premium and Chelsea are loaded.

For those reasons and more (which i have stated many times before), i won't sell Shrek for a penny less than 50m pounds.

PS

I must add, just like i have been saying all year, this is Rooney's last chance for his big payday and IMO, will most likely be staying at United.

It is all a big game of chicken.
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Hard to disagree with any of that. That said, I would grab £30m with both hands if it was offered, purely because of the circumstances surrounding the proposed transfer. If Roo was happy and none of this had ever boiled over - i.e. if it was a truly "unsolicited" bid - then £30m would be robbery when you consider what clubs like Chelsea have paid for other players. £30m is also his true value as a footballer though imo, when you ignore the marketability factor.



"Well if we did include Mata and then lied about it, we'd be digging ourselves a bigger hole. There's not many times you see a club make a statement like we have, to confirm a bid and reject the possibility of any of our players being included in that deal as it leaves us open for Utd to reply with their own "Chelsea are lying" statement."
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Would never happen. And I doubt United or Chelsea would lie about it anyway. Somebody did but I wouldn't blame either club tbh.

Man Utd have come out of this looking really poor. Lying about players from other teams - that is very low
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And entirely fabricated by you. What makes you think United lied about this? What evidence to you have? Is it not plausible that a journo just made this up, or made assumptions that proved to be invalid?

comment by redmisty (U7556)

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Man Utd have come out of this looking really poor. Lying about players from other teams - that is very low
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And entirely fabricated by you. What makes you think United lied about this? What evidence to you have? Is it not plausible that a journo just made this up, or made assumptions that proved to be invalid?

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First of all - it wasn't "fabricated" by me. The press discovered that a bid had been made by Chelsea for Rooney - apparently this rumour came out of Sydney where Man Utd happen to be based. So far so good - that part turned out to be true. But why would that journalist then make up the information that Chelsea offered Mata and/or Luiz in part exchange? That part of the statement was immediately denied by Chelsea, who also suggested that someone in Sydney had spread the rumour. The only people to benefit from something like that would be Man Utd officials (who happened to be in Sydney) who knew the truth of the situation but wanted to create trouble for Chelsea.

I am the first to admit when Chelsea management make idiotic moves (it is frequent) - but this time it was Man Utd at fault. I'm sure Moyes himself wouldn't do something like this - but it can't have helped the pressure on him. Man Utd (whether you like to agree or not) have come out of this looking very petty.

Personally I thaught jose was out of order last week when he used his press conferance to publicly tap up rooney. It was disrespectfull to moyes and utd...

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So, to sum up...you have no clue and are making assumptions based on nothing at all...