comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted less than a minute ago
It's hard to apportion errors leading to goals, he had two major errors over the season though, see "defensive errors"
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What do the stats say about him dropping a b'llock which unnerves both Moreno and his fellow team mates team mates, which impacts negatively negatively effects the teams performance?
I've seen fecking shiitloads of these type of errors, so what's the stat for this?
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Sadly there isn't one, otherwise skrtel would have been King of this stat.
Which kind of shows that we are in general bad defensively rather than it being any one scapegoat, mig can be added to the list of unnerving back players.
The closest you can get is that our win rate over skrtels career drops 15% with him in the team compared to his time on the bench/injured!!
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Used attackingly even. Sorry on my phone as I'm lounging out in the sun.
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in terms of clear cut chances created Moreno is nowhere to be seen.
His defensive failings are just far too ridiculous to be coached out.
People don't want Moreno to play defensively at all.
That's bull.
They just want him to show SOME defensive nous, when actually defending.
How many utterly pathetic penalties does he have to give away?
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Then klopp has no right to give him the pelters that he did on many occasions from the sideline last season. Which leads me to believe that Moreno isn't doing everything he should be.
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Klopp also praises him a lot from the sideline, and he does it with every player, it's his job.
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
in terms of clear cut chances created Moreno is nowhere to be seen.
His defensive failings are just far too ridiculous to be coached out.
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Where is that stat?
And that may be the case, but it doesn't seem to be the same opinion as klopp has on the matter.
Ultimately he decides who we sign and who plays so it's moot
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posted 46 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Then klopp has no right to give him the pelters that he did on many occasions from the sideline last season. Which leads me to believe that Moreno isn't doing everything he should be.
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Klopp also praises him a lot from the sideline, and he does it with every player, it's his job.
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I didn't see so much of that to be honest.
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He was doing it on Sunday, celebrated with moreno went over to him smiling putting his arm round moreno at full time, patting him on the back on the way in at halftime.
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comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Klopp obviously wants Moreno to push up and expects him to provide an outlet to utilise the space that the modern day fullback enjoys, To use that space well it's important that he has attacking attributes.
However, any manager should expect their fullbacks to have some awareness about what is going on around him. This is his problem, he is unaware and gets regularly caught out in defensive situations. Add in the recklessness he often displays you have a player that unnerves himself, his team mates and the crowd
Stats do'n't come into it for me.
On form he does have something about him, but in the time he has been at the club I'm far from convinced that he has enough of a football brain to make the defensive adjustments.
I think he can give us a decent option against tightly packed defences, but in games against teams with some quality he is an accident waiting to happen.
Apparently klopp did something very similar at dortmund with schmelzer.
An attacking youth player, moved to fullback off the wing, little defensive instincts.
Klopp said at the time he was young with great talent and as trainers it was his teams responsibility to teach him the defensive side of the game.
So klopp does have form for developing the defensive side of a full backs game, he believes it's easier to coach the defensive side than the attacking.
We will see how it pans out I guess, if he wants a sitting fullback for any games he will use milner
Moreno isn't 19/20.
He's 24 and thinks he's better than he is.
He was moaning last season when Rodgers left him out for Gomez in the first few games.
A few games out of the team and he will be moaning again because he thinks he's Paulo Maldini.
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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
in terms of clear cut chances created Moreno is nowhere to be seen.
His defensive failings are just far too ridiculous to be coached out.
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Where is that stat?
And that may be the case, but it doesn't seem to be the same opinion as klopp has on the matter.
Ultimately he decides who we sign and who plays so it's moot
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Actually I just found the opta stats for last season and your right.
Clynes 1 clear cut chance last season peed all over morenos measly 2..
Oh wait, moreno was actually our third highest player for them..
Seems you didn't like all the other stats going against you in terms of moreno being better going forward than Clyne so decided to make one up.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted less than a minute ago
Moreno isn't 19/20.
He's 24 and thinks he's better than he is.
He was moaning last season when Rodgers left him out for Gomez in the first few games.
A few games out of the team and he will be moaning again because he thinks he's Paulo Maldini.
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Tell it to klopp, I'm well aware of morenos age. I'm sure he is too.
Do we trust him?
I don't really see the point of trying to convert Moreno into a winger, he's pretty awful going forward as well.
comment by Fear Me Neo (U9135)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don't really see the point of trying to convert Moreno into a winger, he's pretty awful going forward as well.
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Did I miss something or did you misunderstand regarding winger at dortmund that klopp converted to a fullback.
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league, it's defensively he falls down hard.
It's great running down the wing and getting into position to deliver a cross but if your ball in is crap it means fack all.
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 54 seconds ago
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
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Well he's one of the top performers in every attacking metric.
But yeah, seeing as the facts don't fit your opinion we should go ahead and discount them.
I'll call opt, get them to set up a meeting so you can determine how they should record data going forward.
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
In every attacking metric bar below par delivery in good positions very often. Another stat that isn't recorded.
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If he's creating more good deliveries than his peers, while also making poor ones often, doesn't that show the sheer number of attacks he gets himself involved in.
This is all just the stubborn immaturity of some posters again, can't accept they might be wrong, can't accept that In the context of Premier league fullbacks he's one of the best in terms of attacking.
No no, they believe. therefore that is the truth.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 54 seconds ago
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
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Well he's one of the top performers in every attacking metric.
But yeah, seeing as the facts don't fit your opinion we should go ahead and discount them.
I'll call opt, get them to set up a meeting so you can determine how they should record data going forward.
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Describing Moreno as "one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league" is an example of using a stat to create a point.
He is not one of the best attacking full backs because he is part of a back 4 which leaked goals and regularly plays like he has been lobotomised.
This is all just the stubborn immaturity of some posters again
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comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 54 seconds ago
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
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Well he's one of the top performers in every attacking metric.
But yeah, seeing as the facts don't fit your opinion we should go ahead and discount them.
I'll call opt, get them to set up a meeting so you can determine how they should record data going forward.
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Describing Moreno as "one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league" is an example of using a stat to create a point.
He is not one of the best attacking full backs because he is part of a back 4 which leaked goals and regularly plays like he has been lobotomised.
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Except... Clearly, in klopp system his priority is not in defence, meaning he is an attacking full back..
One who's job is to assist the attack which he does very well
Blind hatred is a funny thing. Its always amazing how people can highlight someones faults and ignore their strengths as inconvenient. I'm sure that says more about them than the person they are judging
Good stats does not make you 'well established'.
What do you think well established means?
It doesn't mean having good Opta stats, I know that much.
His peers don't seem to rate him much, I mean a 'well established' figure would have some representation in awards ceremonies etc surely?
The pundits certainly don't rate him as such either, so he's not 'well established' there either (yeah I know, they ALL have a xenophobic agenda and hate non Brits).
His manager clearly likes him, to some degree, he plays him consistently, albeit with not much genuine competition, not sure being picked is enough to be called a well established best attacking full back though.
So other than having some good stats, how exactly is he 'well established'.
I fear you spent last summer talking out of your rear about Benteke, and are now repeating the trick, alas, what do I know, I'm just immature and unwilling to accept I'm wrong about the well established skills of Moreno.
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posted on 17/8/16
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted less than a minute ago
It's hard to apportion errors leading to goals, he had two major errors over the season though, see "defensive errors"
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What do the stats say about him dropping a b'llock which unnerves both Moreno and his fellow team mates team mates, which impacts negatively negatively effects the teams performance?
I've seen fecking shiitloads of these type of errors, so what's the stat for this?
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Sadly there isn't one, otherwise skrtel would have been King of this stat.
Which kind of shows that we are in general bad defensively rather than it being any one scapegoat, mig can be added to the list of unnerving back players.
The closest you can get is that our win rate over skrtels career drops 15% with him in the team compared to his time on the bench/injured!!
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Used attackingly even. Sorry on my phone as I'm lounging out in the sun.
posted on 17/8/16
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posted on 17/8/16
in terms of clear cut chances created Moreno is nowhere to be seen.
His defensive failings are just far too ridiculous to be coached out.
posted on 17/8/16
People don't want Moreno to play defensively at all.
That's bull.
They just want him to show SOME defensive nous, when actually defending.
How many utterly pathetic penalties does he have to give away?
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Then klopp has no right to give him the pelters that he did on many occasions from the sideline last season. Which leads me to believe that Moreno isn't doing everything he should be.
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Klopp also praises him a lot from the sideline, and he does it with every player, it's his job.
posted on 17/8/16
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posted on 17/8/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
in terms of clear cut chances created Moreno is nowhere to be seen.
His defensive failings are just far too ridiculous to be coached out.
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Where is that stat?
And that may be the case, but it doesn't seem to be the same opinion as klopp has on the matter.
Ultimately he decides who we sign and who plays so it's moot
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
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Then klopp has no right to give him the pelters that he did on many occasions from the sideline last season. Which leads me to believe that Moreno isn't doing everything he should be.
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Klopp also praises him a lot from the sideline, and he does it with every player, it's his job.
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I didn't see so much of that to be honest.
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He was doing it on Sunday, celebrated with moreno went over to him smiling putting his arm round moreno at full time, patting him on the back on the way in at halftime.
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,
Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.
Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp obviously wants Moreno to push up and expects him to provide an outlet to utilise the space that the modern day fullback enjoys, To use that space well it's important that he has attacking attributes.
However, any manager should expect their fullbacks to have some awareness about what is going on around him. This is his problem, he is unaware and gets regularly caught out in defensive situations. Add in the recklessness he often displays you have a player that unnerves himself, his team mates and the crowd
Stats do'n't come into it for me.
On form he does have something about him, but in the time he has been at the club I'm far from convinced that he has enough of a football brain to make the defensive adjustments.
I think he can give us a decent option against tightly packed defences, but in games against teams with some quality he is an accident waiting to happen.
posted on 17/8/16
Apparently klopp did something very similar at dortmund with schmelzer.
An attacking youth player, moved to fullback off the wing, little defensive instincts.
Klopp said at the time he was young with great talent and as trainers it was his teams responsibility to teach him the defensive side of the game.
So klopp does have form for developing the defensive side of a full backs game, he believes it's easier to coach the defensive side than the attacking.
We will see how it pans out I guess, if he wants a sitting fullback for any games he will use milner
posted on 17/8/16
Moreno isn't 19/20.
He's 24 and thinks he's better than he is.
He was moaning last season when Rodgers left him out for Gomez in the first few games.
A few games out of the team and he will be moaning again because he thinks he's Paulo Maldini.
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
in terms of clear cut chances created Moreno is nowhere to be seen.
His defensive failings are just far too ridiculous to be coached out.
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Where is that stat?
And that may be the case, but it doesn't seem to be the same opinion as klopp has on the matter.
Ultimately he decides who we sign and who plays so it's moot
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Actually I just found the opta stats for last season and your right.
Clynes 1 clear cut chance last season peed all over morenos measly 2..
Oh wait, moreno was actually our third highest player for them..
Seems you didn't like all the other stats going against you in terms of moreno being better going forward than Clyne so decided to make one up.
posted on 17/8/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted less than a minute ago
Moreno isn't 19/20.
He's 24 and thinks he's better than he is.
He was moaning last season when Rodgers left him out for Gomez in the first few games.
A few games out of the team and he will be moaning again because he thinks he's Paulo Maldini.
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Tell it to klopp, I'm well aware of morenos age. I'm sure he is too.
Do we trust him?
posted on 17/8/16
I don't really see the point of trying to convert Moreno into a winger, he's pretty awful going forward as well.
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Fear Me Neo (U9135)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don't really see the point of trying to convert Moreno into a winger, he's pretty awful going forward as well.
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Did I miss something or did you misunderstand regarding winger at dortmund that klopp converted to a fullback.
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league, it's defensively he falls down hard.
posted on 17/8/16
It's great running down the wing and getting into position to deliver a cross but if your ball in is crap it means fack all.
posted on 17/8/16
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
posted on 17/8/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 54 seconds ago
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
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Well he's one of the top performers in every attacking metric.
But yeah, seeing as the facts don't fit your opinion we should go ahead and discount them.
I'll call opt, get them to set up a meeting so you can determine how they should record data going forward.
posted on 17/8/16
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posted on 17/8/16
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
In every attacking metric bar below par delivery in good positions very often. Another stat that isn't recorded.
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If he's creating more good deliveries than his peers, while also making poor ones often, doesn't that show the sheer number of attacks he gets himself involved in.
This is all just the stubborn immaturity of some posters again, can't accept they might be wrong, can't accept that In the context of Premier league fullbacks he's one of the best in terms of attacking.
No no, they believe. therefore that is the truth.
posted on 17/8/16
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 54 seconds ago
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
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Well he's one of the top performers in every attacking metric.
But yeah, seeing as the facts don't fit your opinion we should go ahead and discount them.
I'll call opt, get them to set up a meeting so you can determine how they should record data going forward.
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Describing Moreno as "one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league" is an example of using a stat to create a point.
He is not one of the best attacking full backs because he is part of a back 4 which leaked goals and regularly plays like he has been lobotomised.
posted on 17/8/16
This is all just the stubborn immaturity of some posters again
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posted on 17/8/16
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 54 seconds ago
It's pretty well established that moreno is one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league,
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It really isn't.
Being top of a stat doesn't make you well established as one of the top attacking full backs.
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Well he's one of the top performers in every attacking metric.
But yeah, seeing as the facts don't fit your opinion we should go ahead and discount them.
I'll call opt, get them to set up a meeting so you can determine how they should record data going forward.
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Describing Moreno as "one of the best attacking fullbacks in the league" is an example of using a stat to create a point.
He is not one of the best attacking full backs because he is part of a back 4 which leaked goals and regularly plays like he has been lobotomised.
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Except... Clearly, in klopp system his priority is not in defence, meaning he is an attacking full back..
One who's job is to assist the attack which he does very well
Blind hatred is a funny thing. Its always amazing how people can highlight someones faults and ignore their strengths as inconvenient. I'm sure that says more about them than the person they are judging
posted on 17/8/16
Good stats does not make you 'well established'.
What do you think well established means?
It doesn't mean having good Opta stats, I know that much.
His peers don't seem to rate him much, I mean a 'well established' figure would have some representation in awards ceremonies etc surely?
The pundits certainly don't rate him as such either, so he's not 'well established' there either (yeah I know, they ALL have a xenophobic agenda and hate non Brits).
His manager clearly likes him, to some degree, he plays him consistently, albeit with not much genuine competition, not sure being picked is enough to be called a well established best attacking full back though.
So other than having some good stats, how exactly is he 'well established'.
I fear you spent last summer talking out of your rear about Benteke, and are now repeating the trick, alas, what do I know, I'm just immature and unwilling to accept I'm wrong about the well established skills of Moreno.
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