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Again. This. Is. Not. The. Case.
It's a ludicrous little soundbite that gets trotted out on this board by anyone faced with a statistic that disagrees with them, often by people who use stats that agree with them.
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Its really not though I agree stats are a huge part of transfers but you can't dismiss what you see with your eyes like that. For instance, look at Ronaldo to United, he played one game where they saw him live and immediately decided to sign him even though they knew about him and his stats.

The point is that lots of players have good stats and clubs have to look at more than that to decide whether to pursue a player or what value to place on the deal. Sometimes you are after an established top pro or an 'unknown' up and comer. Stats grab attention and play a supporting role to what the scouts see with their eyes but can never override that.

United were in for Clyne but chose Damian (both had good stats) based on what LVG preferred having seen both in action. Looks a big error at this point but there you go. I preferred Clyne based on what I saw with my eyes and that looks like a good preference at this point.

Ergo, Me>LVG because available statistics suggest I got one right and he got the same one wrong.

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted less than a minute ago
http://i.imgur.com/S7XpeZm.jpg?1

All we need is a right sided Moreno and we'll be sorted.
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Hardly, their stats are neck and neck, all you do is prove the point that moreno Kops a lot of unfair flack for our defensive weakness.

He makes more blocks because he's so fast over 50 metres and recovers down the pitch well.

This is why I keep saying that "the sky is falling" mentality towards going in to a season with moreno at fullback is ridiculous and feeds off media soundbites

He has bad individual games but is a reasonable player over a season

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Intelligence?! Fack off. If thats what you think constitutes footballing intelligence then this conversation is over because there is no hope.
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Let's say lovren gave the ball away ridiculously in our half when he had an easy pass on.

It leads to a goal. That is stupid play.

If lovren plays the simple ball to avert the danger, that is intelligent play.

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comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Again. This. Is. Not. The. Case.
It's a ludicrous little soundbite that gets trotted out on this board by anyone faced with a statistic that disagrees with them, often by people who use stats that agree with them.
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Its really not though I agree stats are a huge part of transfers but you can't dismiss what you see with your eyes like that. For instance, look at Ronaldo to United, he played one game where they saw him live and immediately decided to sign him even though they knew about him and his stats.

The point is that lots of players have good stats and clubs have to look at more than that to decide whether to pursue a player or what value to place on the deal. Sometimes you are after an established top pro or an 'unknown' up and comer. Stats grab attention and play a supporting role to what the scouts see with their eyes but can never override that.

United were in for Clyne but chose Damian (both had good stats) based on what LVG preferred having seen both in action. Looks a big error at this point but there you go. I preferred Clyne based on what I saw with my eyes and that looks like a good preference at this point.

Ergo, Me>LVG because available statistics suggest I got one right and he got the same one wrong.
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Do you not think united went to watch Ronaldo because of the stats? Football clubs have entire departments dedicated to interpretation of statistics, who feed In to the manager, both on internal and external (transfer) matters

I'm not arguing managerial/scouting opinion is huge, but that perception is never enough weight to justify 10s of millions

The stats clearly show Moreno is the top modern fullback, an average pass length of 19.10m along with 2.01 key passes per game is incredible while he still maintains his defensive duties with 2.22 interceptions on average each game. They also prove Moreno was at fault for none of the 50 goals we conceded last season.

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Do you not think united went to watch Ronaldo because of the stats?
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United signed Ronaldo after being impressed by him in a pre season friendly didn't they?

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted less than a minute ago
The stats clearly show Moreno is the top modern fullback, an average pass length of 19.10m along with 2.01 key passes per game is incredible while he still maintains his defensive duties with 2.22 interceptions on average each game. They also prove Moreno was at fault for none of the 50 goals we conceded last season.
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He is a good attacking fullback, near to nobody doubts that, the finishing of his chances leaves a little to be desired, but considering our striking problems last year it's not that surprising.

Most people are complaining about his positioning, the majority of his interceptions are winning the ball while tracking back, his pace over 50 metres stopped a lot of counters last season

Finally those stats only apply to PL games, and you have it set to per 90 minutes.


It's hard to apportion errors leading to goals, he had two major errors over the season though, see "defensive errors"

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 4 minutes ago
Do you not think united went to watch Ronaldo because of the stats?
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United signed Ronaldo after being impressed by him in a pre season friendly didn't they?
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He wasn't exactly a new revelation,

Parry refused to sign him a season or two before for 12 million.

Do you not think united went to watch Ronaldo because of the stats? Football clubs have entire departments dedicated to interpretation of statistics, who feed In to the manager, both on internal and external (transfer) matters
I'm not arguing managerial/scouting opinion is huge, but that perception is never enough weight to justify 10s of millions
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They didn't go to watch Ronaldo. United were playing his team in a friendly lol.

Your post proves that statistics are only useful when they can be interpreted properly. That's why clubs have these departments. However, they have even bigger scouting departments that get far more funding even. Officials go to watch players all the time across the world, even the manager. Scouts have spotted good players while watching a different player.

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comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 4 minutes ago
Do you not think united went to watch Ronaldo because of the stats?
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United signed Ronaldo after being impressed by him in a pre season friendly didn't they?
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He wasn't exactly a new revelation,

Parry refused to sign him a season or two before for 12 million.
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He must've had some bad stats then, if only we had gone to watch him play.

Talking about interpretation of stats, Moreno being good in attack is far more irrelevant as compared to his costly mistakes at the back.

They are both involved, of course scouting departments are bigger and more expensive, that's simple logistics, people covering countries to find players, statistical analysis of a player probably takes half a day to Compile, it's then passed on to the appropriate people.

There is a lot more skill In the scouts job than an analysts. But not one player in the modern era will have been signed without statistical analysis being done,

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
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comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
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Do you not think united went to watch Ronaldo because of the stats?
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United signed Ronaldo after being impressed by him in a pre season friendly didn't they?
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He wasn't exactly a new revelation,

Parry refused to sign him a season or two before for 12 million.
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He must've had some bad stats then, if only we had gone to watch him play.
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Not at all, we did, extensively, parry decided 12mil was too much, and at the time it was a lot.

As I said, I agree that stats are a big part of transfers, but no player is signed without being watched unless its the top cream class of established players, who are seen all the time anyway. The stats could be used to grab attention and sway decisions which makes them subservient because if the people who bring back the report say the player is sheet, then that's it, regardless if the stats.

Good stats will convince a club to keep watching a player, for instance, but never to sign the player.

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He is a good attacking fullback, near to nobody doubts that, the finishing of his chances leaves a little to be desired, but considering our striking problems last year it's not that surprising.
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You're making the assumption that his balls in are any good, which they rarely are IMO. Stats do not show if a ball is just behind a player and that player managed to get his head on it but couldn't get it on target. Your stats would suggest that Moreno had created a chance, but the reality is the striker had little chance of scoring.

MANE!

Typical.

This is bound to effect his stats.

He is a good attacking fullback, near to nobody doubts that

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I doubt that claim.

How many assists did he have last season compared to Clyne?

Both played with the same strikers.

He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
He is a good attacking fullback, near to nobody doubts that

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I doubt that claim.

How many assists did he have last season compared to Clyne?

Both played with the same strikers.
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Clyne managed 0 in the PL 1 in the europa according to three different sites.

Moreno got 4 league assists. 1 in the europa.

Moreno created 61 chances to clynes 24 and 57 key passes to clynes 24

It's hard to apportion errors leading to goals, he had two major errors over the season though, see "defensive errors"

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What do the stats say about him dropping a b'llock which unnerves both Moreno and his fellow team mates team mates, which impacts negatively negatively effects the teams performance?

I've seen fecking shiitloads of these type of errors, so what's the stat for this?

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 6 minutes ago
He's not good enough attacking wise to make up for leaving the defence exposed multiple times a match.
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I honestly believe that he's used attacked fly and is fulfilling the role klopp wants, coutinho cuts Inside so much and moreno is expected to overlap,

Most people's issue is that they want moreno to play defensively, whereas klopp deploys him offensively.

Moreno gets u reasonable pelters and no acknowledgment of his good play because people can't see past his less than great defending