"you can't just Base your opinion on stats"
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This is true. Some good players would look like sheite if you relied on stats alone.
Look at the emphasis clubs put on live scouting and the actual etching of players. They look at stats too obviously but the scouting is what seals the deal.
This is because even though stats are great and can tip the scale when making a decision, what you see with your eyes is far more reliable. Players have been signed on scouting alone but I don't think a player has ever been signed on stats alone in a sport like football.
It doesn't matter how many chances a defender creates if he can't defend properly anyway.

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 3 seconds ago
Stats are stupid
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So are three word posts without reasoning

People just dislike numbers that are smarter than them, yet statistical data runs your entire life and is the foundation for every major decision taken.

But your right, stats are stupid, let's go back to being knuckle dragging cave dwellers

Then made some other ludicrous claims about posts I had made for which I repeat, I would like an apology

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ffs

here's a stat for you:

Number of times I will apologize for copy and pasting your own comments - zero

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 3 seconds ago
Stats are stupid
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So are three word posts without reasoning

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Yea like Insert Random Username

comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
"you can't just Base your opinion on stats"
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This is true. Some good players would look like sheite if you relied on stats alone.
Look at the emphasis clubs put on live scouting and the actual etching of players. They look at stats too obviously but the scouting is what seals the deal.
This is because even though stats are great and can tip the scale when making a decision, what you see with your eyes is far more reliable. Players have been signed on scouting alone but I don't think a player has ever been signed on stats alone in a sport like football.
It doesn't matter how many chances a defender creates if he can't defend properly anyway.
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Again. This. Is. Not. The. Case.

It's a ludicrous little soundbite that gets trotted out on this board by anyone faced with a statistic that disagrees with them, often by people who use stats that agree with them.

I can guarantee when it comes to paying for a player statistics will determine their worth, no club concludes a multi million pound deal on a finger in the air estimation of a players worth

comment by Jake Newmanfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted about a minute ago
Then made some other ludicrous claims about posts I had made for which I repeat, I would like an apology

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ffs

here's a stat for you:

Number of times I will apologize for copy and pasting your own comments - zero


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And as I responded dire try, a post you took out of Co text and was clearly tongue in cheek.

You ignore the response that undermines your position

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 3 seconds ago
Stats are stupid
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So are three word posts without reasoning

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Yea like Insert Random Username
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Which is a name, not a post, but carry on

According to Squawka who are the big stats guys, none of our players were at fault for any of the goals we conceded to Arsenal. That is why stats are bad.

I never had a go at Lovren really and I felt he could improve, which he did. My reason for thinking this was not the stats, it was because I saw a defender in him. I wasn't even aware of that stat.

I feel the same way over Moreno. I believe that Klopp believes he can improve Moreno and with the qualities he has already, he could turn top class. I see a great player but he still a some major flaws. Whether he improves in those areas remains to be seen, some do and others don't.

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comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 4 seconds ago
According to Squawka who are the big stats guys, none of our players were at fault for any of the goals we conceded to Arsenal. That is why stats are bad.
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A point I made earlier

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I'll be honest I haven't been reading through all the posts, stats are just too vague to have any meaning unless you actually watch through the match and make them.

Who cares if a player has 97.8% passing accuracy in a match if they only attempt one tricky pass.

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted less than a minute ago
Passing and not commiting fouls are a perfect example of why the stats are ridiculous. Jamie Carragher had some of the highest pass % stats in the league one season. As for fouls, fine if you're good enough to take the ball without fouling. I'd rather lovren fouled rather than getting isolated and roasted as often as he did.
Stats are absolutely misleading unless they are broken down to a certain point, which they never are. People.getting assists for passing the ball three yards and the goalscorer beating four men and scoring from 30 yards.
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Which again, isn't true, I believe more than three touches means there is no assist. At least I know that to be the case for several sports analysis companies.

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted about a minute ago
I'll be honest I haven't been reading through all the posts, stats are just too vague to have any meaning unless you actually watch through the match and make them.

Who cares if a player has 97.8% passing accuracy in a match if they only attempt one tricky pass.
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Context.

If that's an attacking midfielder it carries less weight , they need to attempt the tricky passes, you would look at their chance creation or key passes.

If it was a defender it's a very important statistic. There is no point winning the ball back in defence if your CB passes it back to the opposition. You don't expect them to make tricky passes, so it's an important consideration. Same with a "destroyer DM

I believe more than three touches means there is no assist.
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So if a midfielder plays an inch perfect 40 yard pass to a striker who takes two touches to control, a touch to round the keeper and then a last touch to score the midfielder shouldn't get an assist?

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It's a long time to elapse, to require three touches there's no way it's central with just the keeper to beat,

However in your extremely unlikely situation that would be a judgement call based on the company doing the analysis (who have teams of people recording then reviewing the statistics) but as a general rule there is a touch limit below which there wouldn't be a review,

Instead the midfielder would get a "key pass" awarded to them

Mane is injured, you couldn't fecking make it up.

comment by Fear Me Neo (U9135)
posted less than a minute ago
Mane is injured, you couldn't fecking make it up.
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I love it when a player hits the ground running for us, typical that it will turn out this way, like Ings..

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Happens to us so fecking often, as soon as someone starts playing their best they get injured. Ings, Gomez, origi now Mane.

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted about a minute ago
I'll be honest I haven't been reading through all the posts, stats are just too vague to have any meaning unless you actually watch through the match and make them.

Who cares if a player has 97.8% passing accuracy in a match if they only attempt one tricky pass.
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Context.

If that's an attacking midfielder it carries less weight , they need to attempt the tricky passes, you would look at their chance creation or key passes.

If it was a defender it's a very important statistic. There is no point winning the ball back in defence if your CB passes it back to the opposition. You don't expect them to make tricky passes, so it's an important consideration. Same with a "destroyer DM
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Its not a very important stat at all. If you're playing the ball sideways 5 yards to a full back again and again knowing that if you did attempt anything else when the simple pass was on, you'd be on trouble, means the stat isn't important at all. It's completely redundant.
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This is why there's an average pass distance stat.

However it still carries weight, if you know you will f*ck up another pass and instead go for the simple option that shows intelligence in retaining possession.

I'd rather have lovren get it wide to Clyne who can move forward with it well than think "nah that's the easy option!, no risk no reward!!!!!"

http://i.imgur.com/S7XpeZm.jpg?1

All we need is a right sided Moreno and we'll be sorted.

comment by Fear Me Neo (U9135)
posted less than a minute ago
Happens to us so fecking often, as soon as someone starts playing their best they get injured. Ings, Gomez, origi now Mane.
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Yup, hopefully it's not as bad as first feared.