comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
You can't change expectations at the back end of the season. This is now an opportunity missed. We probably were the 3rd best team in the league and our performances back that.
Even Arsenal with players like Saka, Rice etc are looking tired. Its all about mentality now and we should not be giving up so we need the players and manager need to step up and not be defeatist.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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Yeah difficult to criticise since I don't buy a season ticket every season but yeah 2% feels fair over the best part of a decade.
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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Yeah difficult to criticise since I don't buy a season ticket every season but yeah 2% feels fair over the best part of a decade.
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We also have the 10th most expensive season ticket in the league, and likely play the best football of any team. Brighton and Palace fans pay more, West Ham fans pay nearly double.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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I think that's rubbish personally Fred. We've had ticket protests before and I've never seen it linked to the result until now.
At the same you also have this theory about us losing our sheet because we lost to United in the FA cup, the most trivial of all the competitions we were in at the time.
You also have a track record for this kind of theories that tend to apportion blame internally towards the club one way or another when other clubs also deserve some credit. It's clear to see that Atalanta had better tactics and that's mainly the reason we lost. Everything else is just fans dealing with the result, which is hard to take tbf.
I guess what I'm tryna say is overall I'd say the footballing reasons make more sense to me than theories about United or ticket protests.
watched the sheffield utd vlog att anfield and half the stadium was leaving 15/20 mins before full time, obv made remarks like what times the ferry?
theyve the cheek to moan about 2% lol when theyre leaving games 20 % early. fack em maybe it give chance to ppl who will stay the full game more chances to go.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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I think that's rubbish personally Fred. We've had ticket protests before and I've never seen it linked to the result until now.
At the same you also have this theory about us losing our sheet because we lost to United in the FA cup, the most trivial of all the competitions we were in at the time.
You also have a track record for this kind of theories that tend to apportion blame internally towards the club one way or another when other clubs also deserve some credit. It's clear to see that Atalanta had better tactics and that's mainly the reason we lost. Everything else is just fans dealing with the result, which is hard to take tbf.
I guess what I'm tryna say is overall I'd say the footballing reasons make more sense to me than theories about United or ticket protests.
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Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
And confidence and emotional momentum is huge in football. You could see the United games took a toll on the player’s confidence and we’ve struggle since. 1-11 on the pitch we are better than Atalanta and comfortably so, confidence was a huge part of the reason we played so badly that night - tied in with discontent in the crowd. You can’t say that the Anfield atmosphere is a reason we’re so strong at home and at the same time think that discontent in the crowd has no effect on the players.
Atalanta did well to capitalise on it but let’s not pretend it was some kind of tactical masterclass from a mid table Serie A outfit.
The team shouldnt need the fans to be up for a game in that situation especially after banging on about wanting to give Klopp the best send off. If anything they should want to try even harder to get the fans onside early to help them. They showed absolutely nothing in that regards.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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I think that's rubbish personally Fred. We've had ticket protests before and I've never seen it linked to the result until now.
At the same you also have this theory about us losing our sheet because we lost to United in the FA cup, the most trivial of all the competitions we were in at the time.
You also have a track record for this kind of theories that tend to apportion blame internally towards the club one way or another when other clubs also deserve some credit. It's clear to see that Atalanta had better tactics and that's mainly the reason we lost. Everything else is just fans dealing with the result, which is hard to take tbf.
I guess what I'm tryna say is overall I'd say the footballing reasons make more sense to me than theories about United or ticket protests.
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It doesn’t have to be one thing.
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted about 14 hours ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
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The crowd normally get going before a ball’s been kicked, it’s pretty obvious really. Funny how you and others dismiss it as nonsense, yet are happy to use the crowd as something that helps when it’s in full swing.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted about 14 hours ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
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The crowd normally get going before a ball’s been kicked, it’s pretty obvious really. Funny how you and others dismiss it as nonsense, yet are happy to use the crowd as something that helps when it’s in full swing.
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Exactly.
It’s not the sole reason we lost but it’s absolutely a part of it. European nights at Anfield can intimidate opposition, none of that happened for Atalanta.
Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
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A walkout is not just any other kind of ticket protest Fred. Obviously fans walking out can have an impact but a lack of banners and flags is far more mild and a reasonable form of protest as opposed to a walkout. It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans. You watched the game and saw what happened with your own eyes. Keep it logical.
Also, since you've blamed our poor results on both the United game and the protests, can you tell me what is the contributory percentage of each for causation of our poor results? What percent is down to the protest and what percent is down to the United FA cup exit? Is it like 60% protest and 40% United?
Just curious.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
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A walkout is not just any other kind of ticket protest Fred. Obviously fans walking out can have an impact but a lack of banners and flags is far more mild and a reasonable form of protest as opposed to a walkout. It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans. You watched the game and saw what happened with your own eyes. Keep it logical.
Also, since you've blamed our poor results on both the United game and the protests, can you tell me what is the contributory percentage of each for causation of our poor results? What percent is down to the protest and what percent is down to the United FA cup exit? Is it like 60% protest and 40% United?
Just curious.
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What an utterly ridiculous question .
And confidence and emotional momentum is huge in football. You could see the United games took a toll on the player’s confidence and we’ve struggle since.
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For me we were clearly struggling before that. We lost the Arsenal game in a bit of a similar way to the way we lost the United game. We haven't beaten a top 6 team all season iirc, a lot of draws. The lesser teams in the league haven't been able to handle us, but we haven't been winning these big games. Beat Chelsea at home but they're crap and midtable. Lost twice in North London etc I put Atalanta in that category too.
We are not the real deal yet and ultimately we fall short for footballing reasons having exceeded our expectations. We have shortcomings that need addressing especially in the Endo position IMO. Klopp leaving throws a spanner in the works. We just needed two or three, maybe four additions and more time for the team together in training under Klopp IMO. This was supposed to be his second rebuild at Liverpool. Now we have to wait and see who comes in and what happens.
It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans.
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Are you being deliberately stupid? No one is doing this, they’re saying it’s a contributory factor, which is hardly a controversial thing to say.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
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A walkout is not just any other kind of ticket protest Fred. Obviously fans walking out can have an impact but a lack of banners and flags is far more mild and a reasonable form of protest as opposed to a walkout. It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans. You watched the game and saw what happened with your own eyes. Keep it logical.
Also, since you've blamed our poor results on both the United game and the protests, can you tell me what is the contributory percentage of each for causation of our poor results? What percent is down to the protest and what percent is down to the United FA cup exit? Is it like 60% protest and 40% United?
Just curious.
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What an utterly ridiculous question.
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Of course it's utterly ridiculous because it's based on your views. You've said we lost it because of the United game and now the protest thing also contributed. Isn't that correct?
Just asking if both are equally to blame or one is to blame more than the other in your opinion.
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
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But but the flags
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted about a minute ago
It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans.
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Are you being deliberately stupid? No one is doing this, they’re saying it’s a contributory factor, which is hardly a controversial thing to say.
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Yeah, and I'm saying that's bullsheet in my humble opinion. Any impact or contribution, if any, they may have had would not be significant enough to cause what we have seen.
Well if it did have an effect it’s pretty unprofessional from the players. What’s next, we just let them off with hostile atmosphere’s at away games?
Personally I think it’s bollox and based on absolutely nothing tangible whatsoever.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well if it did have an effect it’s pretty unprofessional from the players. What’s next, we just let them off with hostile atmosphere’s at away games?
Personally I think it’s bollox and based on absolutely nothing tangible whatsoever.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 57 seconds ago
Well if it did have an effect it’s pretty unprofessional from the players. What’s next, we just let them off with hostile atmosphere’s at away games?
Personally I think it’s bollox and based on absolutely nothing tangible whatsoever.
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Nothing tangible Tell you what, let’s not have any crowds just like during Covid, as there’s no point. A good home crowd obviously has no positive effect on the home teams players. It’s a myth that’s been peddled since the beginning of football.
If you like Term, but it would have been unprofessional of them wouldn’t it
Are we just going to excuse getting battered away from home because the atmosphere was exactly as liked now too?
It’s nonsense imo.
With Salah being dropped and that performance Id say it’s more likely there was a dressing room bust up, and I don’t think that’s happened either.
I also don’t think our players are complete and as much as the crowd can give you a lift, unless they’re booing I don’t think it can have the ‘opposite effect’.
Anyway crowd and flag day aside what about tomorrow?
Hard to call at the moment but I’m going for a nervy 2-1 win to keep the race going as any more dropped points and the rotund female will be warming up her vocal chords
Also wolves could cause arsenal a problem or two later
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posted on 19/4/24
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
posted on 19/4/24
You can't change expectations at the back end of the season. This is now an opportunity missed. We probably were the 3rd best team in the league and our performances back that.
Even Arsenal with players like Saka, Rice etc are looking tired. Its all about mentality now and we should not be giving up so we need the players and manager need to step up and not be defeatist.
posted on 19/4/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
posted on 20/4/24
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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Yeah difficult to criticise since I don't buy a season ticket every season but yeah 2% feels fair over the best part of a decade.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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Yeah difficult to criticise since I don't buy a season ticket every season but yeah 2% feels fair over the best part of a decade.
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We also have the 10th most expensive season ticket in the league, and likely play the best football of any team. Brighton and Palace fans pay more, West Ham fans pay nearly double.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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I think that's rubbish personally Fred. We've had ticket protests before and I've never seen it linked to the result until now.
At the same you also have this theory about us losing our sheet because we lost to United in the FA cup, the most trivial of all the competitions we were in at the time.
You also have a track record for this kind of theories that tend to apportion blame internally towards the club one way or another when other clubs also deserve some credit. It's clear to see that Atalanta had better tactics and that's mainly the reason we lost. Everything else is just fans dealing with the result, which is hard to take tbf.
I guess what I'm tryna say is overall I'd say the footballing reasons make more sense to me than theories about United or ticket protests.
posted on 20/4/24
watched the sheffield utd vlog att anfield and half the stadium was leaving 15/20 mins before full time, obv made remarks like what times the ferry?
theyve the cheek to moan about 2% lol when theyre leaving games 20 % early. fack em maybe it give chance to ppl who will stay the full game more chances to go.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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I think that's rubbish personally Fred. We've had ticket protests before and I've never seen it linked to the result until now.
At the same you also have this theory about us losing our sheet because we lost to United in the FA cup, the most trivial of all the competitions we were in at the time.
You also have a track record for this kind of theories that tend to apportion blame internally towards the club one way or another when other clubs also deserve some credit. It's clear to see that Atalanta had better tactics and that's mainly the reason we lost. Everything else is just fans dealing with the result, which is hard to take tbf.
I guess what I'm tryna say is overall I'd say the footballing reasons make more sense to me than theories about United or ticket protests.
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Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
And confidence and emotional momentum is huge in football. You could see the United games took a toll on the player’s confidence and we’ve struggle since. 1-11 on the pitch we are better than Atalanta and comfortably so, confidence was a huge part of the reason we played so badly that night - tied in with discontent in the crowd. You can’t say that the Anfield atmosphere is a reason we’re so strong at home and at the same time think that discontent in the crowd has no effect on the players.
Atalanta did well to capitalise on it but let’s not pretend it was some kind of tactical masterclass from a mid table Serie A outfit.
posted on 20/4/24
The team shouldnt need the fans to be up for a game in that situation especially after banging on about wanting to give Klopp the best send off. If anything they should want to try even harder to get the fans onside early to help them. They showed absolutely nothing in that regards.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
I did think the protest was a bit bollox tbh. An important night at Anfield and the tickets are going up 2% which is considerably less than inflation so basically going down in real terms. And they’ve not moved in 9 years.
It definitely had a part to play.
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I think that's rubbish personally Fred. We've had ticket protests before and I've never seen it linked to the result until now.
At the same you also have this theory about us losing our sheet because we lost to United in the FA cup, the most trivial of all the competitions we were in at the time.
You also have a track record for this kind of theories that tend to apportion blame internally towards the club one way or another when other clubs also deserve some credit. It's clear to see that Atalanta had better tactics and that's mainly the reason we lost. Everything else is just fans dealing with the result, which is hard to take tbf.
I guess what I'm tryna say is overall I'd say the footballing reasons make more sense to me than theories about United or ticket protests.
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It doesn’t have to be one thing.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted about 14 hours ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
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The crowd normally get going before a ball’s been kicked, it’s pretty obvious really. Funny how you and others dismiss it as nonsense, yet are happy to use the crowd as something that helps when it’s in full swing.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted about 14 hours ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
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The crowd normally get going before a ball’s been kicked, it’s pretty obvious really. Funny how you and others dismiss it as nonsense, yet are happy to use the crowd as something that helps when it’s in full swing.
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Exactly.
It’s not the sole reason we lost but it’s absolutely a part of it. European nights at Anfield can intimidate opposition, none of that happened for Atalanta.
posted on 20/4/24
Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
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A walkout is not just any other kind of ticket protest Fred. Obviously fans walking out can have an impact but a lack of banners and flags is far more mild and a reasonable form of protest as opposed to a walkout. It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans. You watched the game and saw what happened with your own eyes. Keep it logical.
Also, since you've blamed our poor results on both the United game and the protests, can you tell me what is the contributory percentage of each for causation of our poor results? What percent is down to the protest and what percent is down to the United FA cup exit? Is it like 60% protest and 40% United?
Just curious.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
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A walkout is not just any other kind of ticket protest Fred. Obviously fans walking out can have an impact but a lack of banners and flags is far more mild and a reasonable form of protest as opposed to a walkout. It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans. You watched the game and saw what happened with your own eyes. Keep it logical.
Also, since you've blamed our poor results on both the United game and the protests, can you tell me what is the contributory percentage of each for causation of our poor results? What percent is down to the protest and what percent is down to the United FA cup exit? Is it like 60% protest and 40% United?
Just curious.
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What an utterly ridiculous question .
posted on 20/4/24
And confidence and emotional momentum is huge in football. You could see the United games took a toll on the player’s confidence and we’ve struggle since.
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For me we were clearly struggling before that. We lost the Arsenal game in a bit of a similar way to the way we lost the United game. We haven't beaten a top 6 team all season iirc, a lot of draws. The lesser teams in the league haven't been able to handle us, but we haven't been winning these big games. Beat Chelsea at home but they're crap and midtable. Lost twice in North London etc I put Atalanta in that category too.
We are not the real deal yet and ultimately we fall short for footballing reasons having exceeded our expectations. We have shortcomings that need addressing especially in the Endo position IMO. Klopp leaving throws a spanner in the works. We just needed two or three, maybe four additions and more time for the team together in training under Klopp IMO. This was supposed to be his second rebuild at Liverpool. Now we have to wait and see who comes in and what happens.
posted on 20/4/24
It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans.
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Are you being deliberately stupid? No one is doing this, they’re saying it’s a contributory factor, which is hardly a controversial thing to say.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Nonsense.
In 2016 the fans walked out in the 77th minute against Sunderland and we threw the game away. Everybody attributed that to the walkout.
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A walkout is not just any other kind of ticket protest Fred. Obviously fans walking out can have an impact but a lack of banners and flags is far more mild and a reasonable form of protest as opposed to a walkout. It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans. You watched the game and saw what happened with your own eyes. Keep it logical.
Also, since you've blamed our poor results on both the United game and the protests, can you tell me what is the contributory percentage of each for causation of our poor results? What percent is down to the protest and what percent is down to the United FA cup exit? Is it like 60% protest and 40% United?
Just curious.
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What an utterly ridiculous question.
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Of course it's utterly ridiculous because it's based on your views. You've said we lost it because of the United game and now the protest thing also contributed. Isn't that correct?
Just asking if both are equally to blame or one is to blame more than the other in your opinion.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the players have been impacted by the number of games (going far in 4 competitions), the number of injuries, the relative lack of experience in the squad, reliance on young players to perform consistently, players new to the league/country, uncertainty around the manager. I buy that the missing of chances hit the forward players confidence and/or increased pressure. I even buy that the key poor refereeing decisions may have had an impact - thinking that it's not meant to be.
But the idea that the players were somehow negatively impacted by a ticketing protest?!Nah, no chance imo. Coincidence.
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Yeah I don't think a few flags caused players to miss a host of chances.
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Wouldn’t be the first time discontent in the crowd affected the players.
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I mentioned it on the night, but I wasn’t suggesting it was THE reason we lost, just that it could have been a factor in our awful overall performance. When there’s a great atmosphere like there normally is at this stage of European competition, everyone’s quick to say what a big influence the crowd has on our own players and the opposition. It was flat that night, so why shouldn’t it have the opposite effect? To state categorically that it had nothing to do with the crowd is bizarre.
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They didn't decide not to create an atmosphere. They decided not to take flags. The atmosphere wasn't great as we played badly, wasted a host of chances and gave them goals.
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But but the flags
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted about a minute ago
It's just a way to excuse the team from their failures and divert blame onto fans.
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Are you being deliberately stupid? No one is doing this, they’re saying it’s a contributory factor, which is hardly a controversial thing to say.
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Yeah, and I'm saying that's bullsheet in my humble opinion. Any impact or contribution, if any, they may have had would not be significant enough to cause what we have seen.
posted on 20/4/24
Well if it did have an effect it’s pretty unprofessional from the players. What’s next, we just let them off with hostile atmosphere’s at away games?
Personally I think it’s bollox and based on absolutely nothing tangible whatsoever.
posted on 20/4/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well if it did have an effect it’s pretty unprofessional from the players. What’s next, we just let them off with hostile atmosphere’s at away games?
Personally I think it’s bollox and based on absolutely nothing tangible whatsoever.
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posted on 20/4/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 57 seconds ago
Well if it did have an effect it’s pretty unprofessional from the players. What’s next, we just let them off with hostile atmosphere’s at away games?
Personally I think it’s bollox and based on absolutely nothing tangible whatsoever.
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Nothing tangible Tell you what, let’s not have any crowds just like during Covid, as there’s no point. A good home crowd obviously has no positive effect on the home teams players. It’s a myth that’s been peddled since the beginning of football.
posted on 20/4/24
If you like Term, but it would have been unprofessional of them wouldn’t it
Are we just going to excuse getting battered away from home because the atmosphere was exactly as liked now too?
It’s nonsense imo.
With Salah being dropped and that performance Id say it’s more likely there was a dressing room bust up, and I don’t think that’s happened either.
I also don’t think our players are complete and as much as the crowd can give you a lift, unless they’re booing I don’t think it can have the ‘opposite effect’.
posted on 20/4/24
Anyway crowd and flag day aside what about tomorrow?
Hard to call at the moment but I’m going for a nervy 2-1 win to keep the race going as any more dropped points and the rotund female will be warming up her vocal chords
Also wolves could cause arsenal a problem or two later
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