Personally I'd happily keep both Diaz and Nunez. Both valuable to the squad and could be part of healthy competition for places.

If I had to lose one then it would be Diaz, simply because I feel he's much the same player now as he was when he joined us 2.5 seasons ago. Basically I think Nunez has the higher ceiling. But I hope both are with us next season.

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Personally I'd happily keep both Diaz and Nunez. Both valuable to the squad and could be part of healthy competition for places.

If I had to lose one then it would be Diaz, simply because I feel he's much the same player now as he was when he joined us 2.5 seasons ago. Basically I think Nunez has the higher ceiling. But I hope both are with us next season.
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If a good offer came in for Nunez I’d be tempted, same with Diaz tbh but I think they should otherwise be in the squad but we need to sign a proper striker this summer.

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Diaz has the least goals and assists from our front five. His form was bang average until Feb (which I’m putting down to his injury tbh).

He’s played better than our other forwards the last 8 weeks but there is quite obviously recency bias going on here I’m afraid.
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Criticising a central striker that misses 46 big chances in 2 seasons is not recency bias.
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No, it’s not, but that’s not what you’re doing. You’re pretending Diaz is a far better player than Nunez, when he demonstrably isn’t. I mean he misses more so what are you on about?
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Diaz brings far more to the team than goals though, his value has never been as a goal scorer - again I’m not saying Diaz is some phenomenal goal scorer but he’s a wide player. If you’re a central striker you can’t get away with that.

Salah has been a phenomenon scoring like he has from the wing which has given you unrealistic expectations for Diaz.
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Diaz bring so much more to the team than goals that he has a third as many assists.

How many winners has Diaz scored or set up? About one

You’ve now moved onto what wide forwards and strikers should be doing when, since day one under Klopp, the majority of our goals have come from our wide forwards.

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest Diaz is a more effective player, wide or central, than Nunez. Nothing.
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Do you actually watch the games?

What Diaz brings to the team isn’t ever going to be recorded in statistics. Even then, he’s scored only 3 goals less than Nunez ffs

Feel like some folks on here are living on Nunez’s performance in the Newcastle game tbh.
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Diaz protects the ball very well indeed, and you’re right, that won’t be covered in the stats. Absolutely none of that changes what I wrote, which is factually correct.

If you want to pretend Diaz is better crack on.
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And if you want to keep pretend Nunez is the answer, you too can crack on but you’ll end up disappointed.
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I’ve not pretended that all. You have a bit of a problem with telling the truth.

comment by Szoboss (U6997)
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Personally I'd happily keep both Diaz and Nunez. Both valuable to the squad and could be part of healthy competition for places.

If I had to lose one then it would be Diaz, simply because I feel he's much the same player now as he was when he joined us 2.5 seasons ago. Basically I think Nunez has the higher ceiling. But I hope both are with us next season.
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Two players who a Dutch manager could have a good impact on would be Grav and Gakpo. I still think there’s a decent player in Gakpo somewhere we just haven’t worked out how the get the best of him. His finishing and composure is the complete antithesis of Nunez but unfortunately so is his propensity to put himself about.

Combine Nunez and Gakpo and you’ve got one of the best players in the world.

I agree with Fred that Nunez is the better option LW if we have a Bobby-esque CF, and I actually think he'd thrive in that role as there's less pressure from a numbers POV and Nunez's problems seem mental more than anything.

If your LW is scoring 10-15 goals a season like Nunez is, then you're generally happy with that. If it's your number 9 then you're not.

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Personally I'd happily keep both Diaz and Nunez. Both valuable to the squad and could be part of healthy competition for places.

If I had to lose one then it would be Diaz, simply because I feel he's much the same player now as he was when he joined us 2.5 seasons ago. Basically I think Nunez has the higher ceiling. But I hope both are with us next season.
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Yep. I like Diaz a lot but he’s our lowest scoring forward in a position where we are well stocked.

I prefer Nunez on the left anyway, Gakpo too.

I we go to a 4231 next season and have the new Gerrard and Torres in Szoboszlai and Nunez I will happily dig into some humble pie by the way.

Torres
Babel Gerrard Kuyt
Masch Alonso


Nunez
Gakpo Szoboszlai Diaz
New DM Mac Allister

Could work.

i wouldnt bother getting the plates out

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Personally I'd happily keep both Diaz and Nunez. Both valuable to the squad and could be part of healthy competition for places.

If I had to lose one then it would be Diaz, simply because I feel he's much the same player now as he was when he joined us 2.5 seasons ago. Basically I think Nunez has the higher ceiling. But I hope both are with us next season.
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Yep. I like Diaz a lot but he’s our lowest scoring forward in a position where we are well stocked.

I prefer Nunez on the left anyway, Gakpo too.
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Yeah the squad planning was really off when we had Jota & Diaz...then added Nunez & Gakpo. I know 3 of them can play centrally as well but it just seemed off. Especially Gakpo. I think we just saw an opportunity for a talented player and just took it tbh. 40mil is not that bad for a squad player though.

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I we go to a 4231 next season and have the new Gerrard and Torres in Szoboszlai and Nunez I will happily dig into some humble pie by the way.

Torres
Babel Gerrard Kuyt
Masch Alonso


Nunez
Gakpo Szoboszlai Diaz
New DM Mac Allister

Could work.
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Just banged my head on the table

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The United game I'll give you cause we failed to kill the game off, but last night and Palace we were 1-0 down before I think we even had a shot
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Not true IMO. And it wasn't just last night and Palace. Also what difference does it make if we've had a shot or not? We have conceded within the first 5-15 minutes of games all season long.

Most of those goals are comical defensive mix-ups or errors. Then we settle down and from there the attack has been getting us the 3 points to get us where we are.
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Because there's only so many times you can go 1-0 down and go onto the win the game. It was happening until a month or so ago, but now it's not and we're seeing what happens.

I'm not once excusing the attack btw, I just think the defence hasn't been good enough either and they need looking at just as much as the attack does.
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Spot on.

There was a clown on here who went about the attack failing, but if your defence is doing well there will be less pressure on the attack and eventually you will score. We always need to score 2-3 goals with this defence, which isn't sustainable.

We’ve been shiiiiiiit in both boxes at a crunch time in the season and I’m off the opinion they’ve bottled it.

They most definitely have bottled it.

Hopefully it's a bounce back like from the CL final of 17. Though on the other hand there's just too many changes going on.

Also that team was mentality monsters...I just don't see it with this one...yet.

One thing I'll always say though is that the 18-20 team is one of the most complete sides football has ever witnessed. It had everything...and I mean everything.

I suppose the good thing is we're going back to the structure that got us that 18-20 side.

Klopp and Pep have, rightly or wrongly, had more say on transfers the last couple of years but they've all largely been inconsistent. An example being that Pep heralded Gakpo as the missing link last year, and yet he's now at best our 4th choice attacker if everyone is fit.

Post Edwards the first XI we've signed:
Nunez
Gakpo
Mac
Szob
Grav
Endo

Mac is the only one really you'd say has consistently performed.

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I would persevere with Nunez in a front 3 and play him on the left.

A change of system I’m not so sure.
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We have better players on the left
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Statistically we don’t.

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They most definitely have bottled it.

Hopefully it's a bounce back like from the CL final of 17. Though on the other hand there's just too many changes going on.

Also that team was mentality monsters...I just don't see it with this one...yet.

One thing I'll always say though is that the 18-20 team is one of the most complete sides football has ever witnessed. It had everything...and I mean everything.
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Yeah this. Carra made a fair point after the game last night in asking- whether we have actually looked like or played like a title winning team this season.

Obviously we got that sense in 19/20 where we were unstoppable. I also got that sense from loads of games in 18/19 and 21/22 where we narrowly missed out that we were the best in the league that season.

Never had it at any point this season at all and a few late winners didn't change that.

I think Macca and Szoboss are a return to form in the recruitment department. Gravenberch looked like a punt on a player, our recruitment team has rated for years apparently.

I would say from the outside we seemed to relax our emphasis on the mental attributes of our transfer targets. Hopefully Edwards forces this again

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I would persevere with Nunez in a front 3 and play him on the left.

A change of system I’m not so sure.
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We have better players on the left
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Statistically we don’t.
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What are Nunez stats from the left? PL only please and not Ropey league

PL only:
13 apps
7 goal
3 assists

It's just time for a reset really isn't it?

Thiago and Matip going between them will free up about £18m per year in combined wages and transfer fee amortisation. That lets us go out and buy someone at £60m on around 100kpw on a 5 year contract with no impact to the financials.

Then add in being back in the CL next season (no way we finish 5th) and Klopp will be on a fair amount more than Slot so we've definitely got money to spend.

Don't think we can/should sell too many of the current squad as I think we'll need the continuity. Contrary to what some are saying I don't think wholesale changes are required. We have a generally young squad who have only played together for a season or two outside a few of the older players like Salah and VVD.

Salah for me is the question mark. If a good offer comes in I'd be tempted to take it. Don't think he's finished and he's certainly come back from poor periods of form before now, but the club needs to make a decision on him within 12 months anyway, so might just be better to get the money now and reinvest it for the future.

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PL only:
13 apps
7 goal
3 assists
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Not too bad that.

Only players I’d let go this summer are Matip, Thiago, and Tsimikas.

If very good offers Id consider Salah and possibly Diaz.

Not sure if anyone agrees but maybe Robbo too but I want to see what Slot does as a back four.

But too much change at once is rarely a good thing in football.

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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PL only:
13 apps
7 goal
3 assists
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Not too bad that.
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He’s definitely more effective from the left, that was obvious from the start.

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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PL only:
13 apps
7 goal
3 assists
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Not too bad that.
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He’s definitely more effective from the left, that was obvious from the start.
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Problem is Diaz, Gakpo also prefer left while Nunez can supposedly play 9.

If Jota stayed fit FFS