I can't imagine the Black Mourinho would struggle to get a job... I am not sure there is one though.
Generally managers get jobs at bigger clubs by proving themselves at smaller ones...
Maybe the problem is not enough potential Black managers are getting the chances at the lower levels?
Although when it comes to clubs hiring from within or someone without management experience it is hard to know if that person is a good pick for the job
Did they pick the White coach over the Black coach because of his ideas? his mentality? or the colour of his skin?
It wouldn't be as quite as simple as this coach has more coaching experience so is the better pick. Complicated subject IMO.
Also when writing the above post I accidentally hit the n key instead of the b one whilst writing the word bigger... ironic typo that would have been....
If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
We're not in South Africa - you are right.
So you think that means that the country, as an extreme example of what we're talking about, is not relevant?
Pull your head out of your backside.
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
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comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Alsace Hop Farmer (U20041)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
I am not filled with any guilt actually. I want a fairer society for everyone because I believe it is a basic right for all human beings.
I am well aware of the issues we have as a society and believe we should work together to fix them. Not approach these issues with ignorance like you do which is pathetic.
It is refreshing to see that my suggestion that everyone should have a fair share offends you so much.
Now I wonder with the views you have, how you would react to a minority who applied for a job in your organisation.
He would get a fair crack, right?
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If someones credentials are there i'd shortlist them, i wont be told "replace three white ones with blacks to make it fair" tho.
Blacks need to up their game, Indian kids in this country top A-Level results and usually have good jobs like doctors etc. And they started with the same advantages as black immigrants...but they are earning their way to the top.
Its the same in America, Jews, Italians, Irish, Poles, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans etc all came poor and faced discrimination but they have worked hard and got places while Blacks are still at bottom of the pile...is it racism or is it a cultural thing? They cant make excuses forever.
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Feck me sideways!
---------------------------------------------------------------------<Laugh> bolldy hell! Statistically what he said is true. , but it's so much harder to succeed coming from a disadvantaged postion. Inner city culture does not help with this either. Asian culture is very family focused with a high drive for success from the parents, which is one of the reasons they do so well. From an anthropological perspective, There's probably a correlation between family situation and child's success, I'd be interested to see what the stats say with regards racial family situations. A smart man would bet assign families are the most secure, followed by white, then coloured folks. Which would match the stats.
Rooney rule is BS. If there were enough good Asian or black coaches, then I'd hope they would be given the chance they deserve.
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How the hell did my name get attached to any of this comments!!!!
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Belmonty, if you go to the first page you'll see that when this guy copied the comment from the other thread he didn't copy Vic Mackey as the poster - however, you'll see that I did try to correct things!!!
Belmonty, if you go to the first page you'll see that when this guy copied the comment from the other thread he didn't copy Vic Mackey as the poster - however, you'll see that I did try to correct things!!!
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comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ha! Cheers lad!
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Apologies.
comment by Bãles (U3582)
posted 11 hours, 15 minutes ago
52% of white football coaches are managers.
7% of black football coaches are managers.
About that anyway, the figures are from 2013
It's not about a quota, just reminding the clubs that black managers deserve a fair chance.
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I'd like to see a link for that, sounds like bollards to me. Or are you really suggesting that more than half of people qualifed to coach, are in fact managers? Even though (if CM has taught me anything, it's this) for every professional club there are at least 4 or 5 coaches, and just one manager. It just doesn't stack up.
How anyone can argue that there isn't a disproportionate amount of black players to black coaches is beyond me. While I don't know why that is I think it's a question that needs to be asked.
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 8 seconds ago
How anyone can argue that there isn't a disproportionate amount of black players to black coaches is beyond me. While I don't know why that is I think it's a question that needs to be asked.
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Because black players only started to be a large proportion of players within the last 30 years. It takes at least this time for these players to retire, take their badges, get qualified, start at lower leagues and work their way up. Only then can an evaluation be made as to their credentials of managing a top club.
"Because black players only started to be a large proportion of players within the last 30 years"
I've read this a few times, and it bothers me.
The average age of a Premier League Manager last year was 48.8 years.
I'd say that's on average 15 years after retirement?
That takes us to 1999.
Is that really a valid reason?
I'm not saying it isn't necessarily, just challenging it
How many qualified ex-pros are there?
You have obviously never been inside a board room if you think there is no racism.
The Rooney rule is a superb idea.
Robben van Persie - He Schcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
But the issue could well be before it gets to that stage, so that question doesn't actually answer the point.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
You have obviously never been inside a board room if you think there is no racism.
The Rooney rule is a superb idea.
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Oh so you have?
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
Exactly you wouldnt because he wouldnt be the best candidate.
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
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comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
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Why erm? Name me a black manager you would like to take over your team?
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
Again I ask...
... have you considered why there's not a black manager that you wouldn't want managing your team?
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
You have obviously never been inside a board room if you think there is no racism.
The Rooney rule is a superb idea.
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Oh so you have?
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Yes. I am strategy consultant.
Its an old boy network. Look at the Cardiff case recently if you want a blatant example. One of Cardiff senior staff was exchanging racist texts with the manager. Some of it targeted at their owner! Thats how stupid some of them are! Opening up the process as the Rooney rule has done in the NFL is a very good thing.
And actually it makes very good business sense as some of the major shareholders have no idea how the club is being run in their name! Its too late to stop damaging the brand when the incidents invariably get leaked.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 seconds ago
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
Again I ask...
... have you considered why there's not a black manager that you wouldn't want managing your team?
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Whys there no whites in the 100m final?
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
I think I'm right in saying that there are scientific reasons why black people are generally faster?
A ridiculous comparison.
How many people of whatever colour apply for each vacant job?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 seconds ago
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
I think I'm right in saying that there are scientific reasons why black people are generally faster?
A ridiculous comparison.
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Because the white people arent trained well enough due to racism.
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
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Why erm? Name me a black manager you would like to take over your team?
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You're claiming all black managers are awful. A) that's really stupid B) how can you possibly know that.
Also I have one of the greatest managers alive at my club. It's not about skin colour. I wouldn't want ANYONE else managing our club.
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posted on 2/10/14
I can't imagine the Black Mourinho would struggle to get a job... I am not sure there is one though.
Generally managers get jobs at bigger clubs by proving themselves at smaller ones...
Maybe the problem is not enough potential Black managers are getting the chances at the lower levels?
Although when it comes to clubs hiring from within or someone without management experience it is hard to know if that person is a good pick for the job
Did they pick the White coach over the Black coach because of his ideas? his mentality? or the colour of his skin?
It wouldn't be as quite as simple as this coach has more coaching experience so is the better pick. Complicated subject IMO.
posted on 2/10/14
Also when writing the above post I accidentally hit the n key instead of the b one whilst writing the word bigger... ironic typo that would have been....
posted on 2/10/14
If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
We're not in South Africa - you are right.
So you think that means that the country, as an extreme example of what we're talking about, is not relevant?
Pull your head out of your backside.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 8 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Alsace Hop Farmer (U20041)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
I am not filled with any guilt actually. I want a fairer society for everyone because I believe it is a basic right for all human beings.
I am well aware of the issues we have as a society and believe we should work together to fix them. Not approach these issues with ignorance like you do which is pathetic.
It is refreshing to see that my suggestion that everyone should have a fair share offends you so much.
Now I wonder with the views you have, how you would react to a minority who applied for a job in your organisation.
He would get a fair crack, right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If someones credentials are there i'd shortlist them, i wont be told "replace three white ones with blacks to make it fair" tho.
Blacks need to up their game, Indian kids in this country top A-Level results and usually have good jobs like doctors etc. And they started with the same advantages as black immigrants...but they are earning their way to the top.
Its the same in America, Jews, Italians, Irish, Poles, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans etc all came poor and faced discrimination but they have worked hard and got places while Blacks are still at bottom of the pile...is it racism or is it a cultural thing? They cant make excuses forever.
==================================
Feck me sideways!
---------------------------------------------------------------------<Laugh> bolldy hell! Statistically what he said is true. , but it's so much harder to succeed coming from a disadvantaged postion. Inner city culture does not help with this either. Asian culture is very family focused with a high drive for success from the parents, which is one of the reasons they do so well. From an anthropological perspective, There's probably a correlation between family situation and child's success, I'd be interested to see what the stats say with regards racial family situations. A smart man would bet assign families are the most secure, followed by white, then coloured folks. Which would match the stats.
Rooney rule is BS. If there were enough good Asian or black coaches, then I'd hope they would be given the chance they deserve.
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How the hell did my name get attached to any of this comments!!!!
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Belmonty, if you go to the first page you'll see that when this guy copied the comment from the other thread he didn't copy Vic Mackey as the poster - however, you'll see that I did try to correct things!!!
posted on 2/10/14
Ha! Cheers lad!
posted on 2/10/14
Belmonty, if you go to the first page you'll see that when this guy copied the comment from the other thread he didn't copy Vic Mackey as the poster - however, you'll see that I did try to correct things!!!
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comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ha! Cheers lad!
=====================
Apologies.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by Bãles (U3582)
posted 11 hours, 15 minutes ago
52% of white football coaches are managers.
7% of black football coaches are managers.
About that anyway, the figures are from 2013
It's not about a quota, just reminding the clubs that black managers deserve a fair chance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd like to see a link for that, sounds like bollards to me. Or are you really suggesting that more than half of people qualifed to coach, are in fact managers? Even though (if CM has taught me anything, it's this) for every professional club there are at least 4 or 5 coaches, and just one manager. It just doesn't stack up.
posted on 2/10/14
How anyone can argue that there isn't a disproportionate amount of black players to black coaches is beyond me. While I don't know why that is I think it's a question that needs to be asked.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 8 seconds ago
How anyone can argue that there isn't a disproportionate amount of black players to black coaches is beyond me. While I don't know why that is I think it's a question that needs to be asked.
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Because black players only started to be a large proportion of players within the last 30 years. It takes at least this time for these players to retire, take their badges, get qualified, start at lower leagues and work their way up. Only then can an evaluation be made as to their credentials of managing a top club.
posted on 2/10/14
"Because black players only started to be a large proportion of players within the last 30 years"
I've read this a few times, and it bothers me.
The average age of a Premier League Manager last year was 48.8 years.
I'd say that's on average 15 years after retirement?
That takes us to 1999.
Is that really a valid reason?
I'm not saying it isn't necessarily, just challenging it
posted on 2/10/14
How many qualified ex-pros are there?
posted on 2/10/14
You have obviously never been inside a board room if you think there is no racism.
The Rooney rule is a superb idea.
posted on 2/10/14
Robben van Persie - He Schcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
But the issue could well be before it gets to that stage, so that question doesn't actually answer the point.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
You have obviously never been inside a board room if you think there is no racism.
The Rooney rule is a superb idea.
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Oh so you have?
posted on 2/10/14
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
posted on 2/10/14
Exactly you wouldnt because he wouldnt be the best candidate.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
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posted on 2/10/14
comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
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Why erm? Name me a black manager you would like to take over your team?
posted on 2/10/14
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
Again I ask...
... have you considered why there's not a black manager that you wouldn't want managing your team?
posted on 2/10/14
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
You have obviously never been inside a board room if you think there is no racism.
The Rooney rule is a superb idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh so you have?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. I am strategy consultant.
Its an old boy network. Look at the Cardiff case recently if you want a blatant example. One of Cardiff senior staff was exchanging racist texts with the manager. Some of it targeted at their owner! Thats how stupid some of them are! Opening up the process as the Rooney rule has done in the NFL is a very good thing.
And actually it makes very good business sense as some of the major shareholders have no idea how the club is being run in their name! Its too late to stop damaging the brand when the incidents invariably get leaked.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 seconds ago
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
Again I ask...
... have you considered why there's not a black manager that you wouldn't want managing your team?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whys there no whites in the 100m final?
posted on 2/10/14
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
I think I'm right in saying that there are scientific reasons why black people are generally faster?
A ridiculous comparison.
posted on 2/10/14
How many people of whatever colour apply for each vacant job?
posted on 2/10/14
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 seconds ago
John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
I think I'm right in saying that there are scientific reasons why black people are generally faster?
A ridiculous comparison.
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Because the white people arent trained well enough due to racism.
posted on 2/10/14
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense - #STOPISIS (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sack your manager and hire a black one pls, sp I can laugh at how awful he is.
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Why erm? Name me a black manager you would like to take over your team?
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You're claiming all black managers are awful. A) that's really stupid B) how can you possibly know that.
Also I have one of the greatest managers alive at my club. It's not about skin colour. I wouldn't want ANYONE else managing our club.
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