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comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
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To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
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only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
Cesc is excellent but fell that half tick short of the top tier.
Matic needs to show it more than a half season.
Carrick is a full tier and half below
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
Aguero could be, in a few years. Hart, not a chance. Seaman, Schmeichel, VdS, Reina have all offered more.
What's more... If you consider Hart a great, does that make De Gea a PL great? He's only been here a few years.
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That depends whether you consider his performances in a title winning season to be of a high enough standard. Was his contribution good enough?
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comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
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To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
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only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
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Couldn't agree more.
That first list is just exquisite.
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elvis, what's the difference between an icon and a great?
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An icon is someone that is regarded as a representative. Gazza was an icon of Italia 90, but he won't be remembered as a great of the tournament. That would be the likes of Klinsmann, Voller & Matthaus.
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Eh?! Rudi Voeller as a great of the tournament?? The only thing he's really remembered for is the spitting incident with Rikjaard. Klinsmann was ok in that tournament but not great.
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Great player missing one key ingredient, the desire and ambition to succeed and challenge himself in a different environment out of his comfort zone.
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I think that is unfair. Do we criticise Messi fot not leaving Barca?
That depends whether you consider his performances in a title winning season to be of a high enough standard. Was his contribution good enough?
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He contributed loads, but being a big part of a title winning team surely can't be the only benchmark. Shearer only won one title, despite being the leagues all time top scorer...
Anyone who says Gerrard is not a PL great is just embarrassing themselves.
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comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
-
Couldn't agree more.
That first list is just exquisite.
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Aye that's fair enough
The point I was making was that we're not just stuck with Allens, Hendersons and Cleverleys - there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Great player missing one key ingredient, the desire and ambition to succeed and challenge himself in a different environment out of his comfort zone.
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I think that is unfair. Do we criticise Messi fot not leaving Barca?
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He's won everything. Gerrard hasn't.
At 34? Nope, he's milking his last cash cow, good luck to him, but playing in the mls is not a step up is it, or a challenge
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Like Lampard was? Who is now banging them in for fun at City...
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
Cesc is excellent but fell that half tick short of the top tier.
Matic needs to show it more than a half season.
Carrick is a full tier and half below
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This^
Matic has the potential, but isn't there yet. Fabregas is the debatable one. World class on his day but can go missing/seem like a weakness when his team isn't performing.
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am not penalising him. Just asking the question of whether you can be considered a great of a competition that you haven't won.
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Are you asking the question now? Or are you disagreeing with everyone who says that he is clearly a premier league great?
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I am asking the question so that people can give their opinions whilst offering mine. It is a football forum - isn't that what we do. There is no right or wrong answer - just opinions.
================
And now that everyone has given an opinion that he is a PL great has this changed your mind at all and if not what is the point of debate?
there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
-
Alright Samwise, calm down
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elvis, what's the difference between an icon and a great?
------------------------------------
An icon is someone that is regarded as a representative. Gazza was an icon of Italia 90, but he won't be remembered as a great of the tournament. That would be the likes of Klinsmann, Voller & Matthaus.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?! Rudi Voeller as a great of the tournament?? The only thing he's really remembered for is the spitting incident with Rikjaard. Klinsmann was ok in that tournament but not great.
----------------------
Yeh, maybe not Voller. Brehme probably had a better tournament to be fair.
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comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 29 seconds ago
there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
-
Alright Samwise, calm down
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I don't know what came over me I got half way through writing 'there are still some good players' and felt a random urge
Glad someone got the reference though.
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 second ago
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 29 seconds ago
there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
-
Alright Samwise, calm down
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know what came over meI got half way through writing 'there are still some good players' and felt a random urge
Glad someone got the reference though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Great player missing one key ingredient, the desire and ambition to succeed and challenge himself in a different environment out of his comfort zone.
-----------------
I think that is unfair. Do we criticise Messi fot not leaving Barca?
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He's won everything. Gerrard hasn't.
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And he left his home thousands and thousands of miles away to challenge rather than playing for River Plate or whoever in his hone league.
Gerrard wouldn't even move 219 miles to London.
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am not penalising him. Just asking the question of whether you can be considered a great of a competition that you haven't won.
=================
Are you asking the question now? Or are you disagreeing with everyone who says that he is clearly a premier league great?
------------------------
I am asking the question so that people can give their opinions whilst offering mine. It is a football forum - isn't that what we do. There is no right or wrong answer - just opinions.
================
And now that everyone has given an opinion that he is a PL great has this changed your mind at all and if not what is the point of debate?
-----------------------------------------
What is the point of any debate on here? It doesn't change anything.
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 3 minutes ago
At 34? Nope, he's milking his last cash cow, good luck to him, but playing in the mls is not a step up is it, or a challenge
---
Like Lampard was? Who is now banging them in for fun at City...
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What's lampard got to do with this discussion?
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
Cesc is excellent but fell that half tick short of the top tier.
Matic needs to show it more than a half season.
Carrick is a full tier and half below
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
Aguero could be, in a few years. Hart, not a chance. Seaman, Schmeichel, VdS, Reina have all offered more.
What's more... If you consider Hart a great, does that make De Gea a PL great? He's only been here a few years.
-------------------------------------
That depends whether you consider his performances in a title winning season to be of a high enough standard. Was his contribution good enough?
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
-
Couldn't agree more.
That first list is just exquisite.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elvis, what's the difference between an icon and a great?
------------------------------------
An icon is someone that is regarded as a representative. Gazza was an icon of Italia 90, but he won't be remembered as a great of the tournament. That would be the likes of Klinsmann, Voller & Matthaus.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?! Rudi Voeller as a great of the tournament?? The only thing he's really remembered for is the spitting incident with Rikjaard. Klinsmann was ok in that tournament but not great.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Great player missing one key ingredient, the desire and ambition to succeed and challenge himself in a different environment out of his comfort zone.
-----------------
I think that is unfair. Do we criticise Messi fot not leaving Barca?
posted on 2/1/15
That depends whether you consider his performances in a title winning season to be of a high enough standard. Was his contribution good enough?
---
He contributed loads, but being a big part of a title winning team surely can't be the only benchmark. Shearer only won one title, despite being the leagues all time top scorer...
posted on 2/1/15
Anyone who says Gerrard is not a PL great is just embarrassing themselves.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
-
Couldn't agree more.
That first list is just exquisite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aye that's fair enough
The point I was making was that we're not just stuck with Allens, Hendersons and Cleverleys - there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Great player missing one key ingredient, the desire and ambition to succeed and challenge himself in a different environment out of his comfort zone.
-----------------
I think that is unfair. Do we criticise Messi fot not leaving Barca?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's won everything. Gerrard hasn't.
posted on 2/1/15
At 34? Nope, he's milking his last cash cow, good luck to him, but playing in the mls is not a step up is it, or a challenge
---
Like Lampard was? Who is now banging them in for fun at City...
posted on 2/1/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 seconds ago
we were spoilt to have Vieira, Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Essien, Lampard all playing at the same time. Makalele too. Alonso and Mascherano.
gluttony of CM talent
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, look at what we have now. Fabregas, Matic, Yaya, Carrick. We're not really struggling that badly for talent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
only Yaya is in that talent bracket for me.
Cesc is excellent but fell that half tick short of the top tier.
Matic needs to show it more than a half season.
Carrick is a full tier and half below
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This^
Matic has the potential, but isn't there yet. Fabregas is the debatable one. World class on his day but can go missing/seem like a weakness when his team isn't performing.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am not penalising him. Just asking the question of whether you can be considered a great of a competition that you haven't won.
=================
Are you asking the question now? Or are you disagreeing with everyone who says that he is clearly a premier league great?
------------------------
I am asking the question so that people can give their opinions whilst offering mine. It is a football forum - isn't that what we do. There is no right or wrong answer - just opinions.
================
And now that everyone has given an opinion that he is a PL great has this changed your mind at all and if not what is the point of debate?
posted on 2/1/15
there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
-
Alright Samwise, calm down
posted on 2/1/15
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elvis, what's the difference between an icon and a great?
------------------------------------
An icon is someone that is regarded as a representative. Gazza was an icon of Italia 90, but he won't be remembered as a great of the tournament. That would be the likes of Klinsmann, Voller & Matthaus.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?! Rudi Voeller as a great of the tournament?? The only thing he's really remembered for is the spitting incident with Rikjaard. Klinsmann was ok in that tournament but not great.
----------------------
Yeh, maybe not Voller. Brehme probably had a better tournament to be fair.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 29 seconds ago
there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
-
Alright Samwise, calm down
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know what came over me I got half way through writing 'there are still some good players' and felt a random urge
Glad someone got the reference though.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 second ago
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 29 seconds ago
there is still some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for!
-
Alright Samwise, calm down
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know what came over meI got half way through writing 'there are still some good players' and felt a random urge
Glad someone got the reference though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 2/1/15
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Great player missing one key ingredient, the desire and ambition to succeed and challenge himself in a different environment out of his comfort zone.
-----------------
I think that is unfair. Do we criticise Messi fot not leaving Barca?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's won everything. Gerrard hasn't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And he left his home thousands and thousands of miles away to challenge rather than playing for River Plate or whoever in his hone league.
Gerrard wouldn't even move 219 miles to London.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am not penalising him. Just asking the question of whether you can be considered a great of a competition that you haven't won.
=================
Are you asking the question now? Or are you disagreeing with everyone who says that he is clearly a premier league great?
------------------------
I am asking the question so that people can give their opinions whilst offering mine. It is a football forum - isn't that what we do. There is no right or wrong answer - just opinions.
================
And now that everyone has given an opinion that he is a PL great has this changed your mind at all and if not what is the point of debate?
-----------------------------------------
What is the point of any debate on here? It doesn't change anything.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 3 minutes ago
At 34? Nope, he's milking his last cash cow, good luck to him, but playing in the mls is not a step up is it, or a challenge
---
Like Lampard was? Who is now banging them in for fun at City...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's lampard got to do with this discussion?
posted on 2/1/15
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