Sheriff
Arsenal are a joke in The CL. 20 appearances and nothing to show for it, the worse record of any of the so so called CL regulars. It's a complete wasted space them being in it. Aresensl have spent plenty as well, and don't rise much about the Turkish entries.
"all in and considered (wages, squad cost, ownership and managerial upheaval, etc), you should be above us IMO"
You spend more. We pay higher wages. You can compete for any of our targets except they choose us above you like Alexis. You've had stable ownership with plenty of investment for 4 years. Your manager is completing his 3rd season, so there's no "upheaval". At worst, we're pretty much neck-and-neck. There is no "should" about us being above you. You're making excuses for failures.
no, I'm not
you're awfully testy Sheriff
who wee'd in your tea this morning?
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I love how a decent debate always turns into a us v them thread on here which was not the intention but some people are just aggressive and can't debate a point without throwing insults
T Bone has had a nightmare here. Sheriff has dealt with him. Good stuff, he's been put in his place.
The fact that Tiki is sticking up for him suggests that Sheriff is the one having a shocker.....
I predicted 6th on a thread near august... and i stand by my prediction...but i would LOVE if we landed the fa cup..sweteen the fact no cl ..
I dont think br will deliver us sustained cl or titles but thats just my opinion...and we cant compete moneywise
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comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 51 minutes ago
"all in and considered (wages, squad cost, ownership and managerial upheaval, etc), you should be above us IMO"
You spend more. We pay higher wages. You can compete for any of our targets except they choose us above you like Alexis. You've had stable ownership with plenty of investment for 4 years. Your manager is completing his 3rd season, so there's no "upheaval". At worst, we're pretty much neck-and-neck. There is no "should" about us being above you. You're making excuses for failures.
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Come on Sherriff 3 years compared to how long Wenger has been at the club, you can't compare that
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 39 minutes ago
Who's throwing insults?
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making your team (and yourself) look pathetic?
Think you are lad
3 years is a lot for a manager in modern football. I sympathize with Liverpool to some extent but the truth of the matter is Arsenal has also changed owners aswell, lost players, spent less and still consistently finished above liverpool.
Yes, liverpool won more trophies during Arsenals barren spell but if we go back to as far as when Wenger was appointed then Arsenal have comfortably been more successful than Liverpool on a similar or less budget.
If we had to pinpoint the mistakes liverpool have made as a club you will have to look at your transfer policy ad overspending on overrated British players.
For me that's how Wenger ultimately made Arsebal a better squad than yours. We have both had to fight if the sugar daddy clubs but your transfer policy is what dug you into the ground.
I still think you should stick with Rodgers, and you will sign good young players. What you can't do is sell your best players. If you do that then Everton might just go past you aswell.
If we had to pinpoint the mistakes liverpool have made all else is minor or you could make similar criticisms to most clubs other than the H&G debacle.
that's ultimately what crippled the club and what we're still trying to recover from now. We were bankrupt in all but the final liquidation and all our best players left / were leaving. And we hadn't invested in the side for years.
Once you fall out of the top bracket you have to vastly outspend those above you to get back in or engage in a long term plan and hope for the best.
We chose the latter.
We were bankrupt in all but the final liquidation and all our best players left / were leaving. And we hadn't invested in the side for years.
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I seem to remember Rafa spending plenty of money when the cowboys were at the club.
20 million on Torres, 11 million on Babel, Keane 19 million, Skrtle 6 million, Dossena 7 million, Riera 8 million, Johnson 18 million, Aquilani 20 million etc.
I like your guts Sheriff. I dont see many Arsenal fans willing to go toe to toe with Liverpool fans (or anyone else) over European Competition. I'll let you have this one as a token of my appreciation.
first few years he did
then once the cowboys realised they were personally bankrupt in the middle of the 08/09 season, they started asset stripping and nearly destroyed the club.
Get a manager that can win in Europe so you don't have to expect higher than 5th.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 minutes ago
We were bankrupt in all but the final liquidation and all our best players left / were leaving. And we hadn't invested in the side for years.
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I seem to remember Rafa spending plenty of money when the cowboys were at the club.
20 million on Torres, 11 million on Babel, Keane 19 million, Skrtle 6 million, Dossena 7 million, Riera 8 million, Johnson 18 million, Aquilani 20 million etc.
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He did only buy one 20 million pound player in his entire tenure though, he boughtots of players sell to buy and the vast majority were under 10 million
So while he did spend over the years with lots recouped through player sales he only once spent 20 million on a player, that's a very important point when analyzing Rafas spending
"Come on Sherriff 3 years
compared to how long Wenger has been at the club, you can't compare that"
That's a weird way of looking at it. I don't know if you think 3 years is 3 weeks. It's pretty long in modern footy. If anything most successful long-term managers have a boom cycle within the first 3 years before the bust phase. Wenger himself won the double in his first full season in '97/98 and nearly (very, very nearly) stole 2 of United's treble trophies in '98/99). The 15 extra years since then have hardly improved him has it?
Kaisers
What do you mean by asset stripping?
As far as I could see Liverpool were still going about business as usual. For the 2009/10 season you bought Johnson and Aquilani. The only major players you lost were Alonso and Arbeloa.
So while he did spend over the years with lots recouped through player sales he only once spent 20 million on a player, that's a very important point when analyzing Rafas spending
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Why?
Can't believe some people persist with the Benitez myth despite how many times the argument has been torn apart by "facts".
Weren't the cowboys using the club's earnings to pay off their own personal debt or something?
I vaguely remember it being something like that because many compared what they were doing to what the Glazers were doing.
Rafa's spending
http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3034
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
So while he did spend over the years with lots recouped through player sales he only once spent 20 million on a player, that's a very important point when analyzing Rafas spending
..................
Why?
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Isn't it obvious? He only once spent 20 million on a player meaning he barley ever bought at the top end of the market.
He spent too much time buying cheap players, selling them on and buying more cheap players, he wanted to build a large squad as he's into rotation but in hindsight he would have been better off spending over 20 mill on a few more players and not buying so many players over the years.
United,for example spent more on a teenager in Rooney the. rafa ever spent on a player
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posted on 8/4/15
Sheriff
Arsenal are a joke in The CL. 20 appearances and nothing to show for it, the worse record of any of the so so called CL regulars. It's a complete wasted space them being in it. Aresensl have spent plenty as well, and don't rise much about the Turkish entries.
posted on 8/4/15
"all in and considered (wages, squad cost, ownership and managerial upheaval, etc), you should be above us IMO"
You spend more. We pay higher wages. You can compete for any of our targets except they choose us above you like Alexis. You've had stable ownership with plenty of investment for 4 years. Your manager is completing his 3rd season, so there's no "upheaval". At worst, we're pretty much neck-and-neck. There is no "should" about us being above you. You're making excuses for failures.
posted on 8/4/15
no, I'm not
you're awfully testy Sheriff
who wee'd in your tea this morning?
posted on 8/4/15
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posted on 8/4/15
I love how a decent debate always turns into a us v them thread on here which was not the intention but some people are just aggressive and can't debate a point without throwing insults
posted on 8/4/15
Who's throwing insults?
posted on 8/4/15
T Bone has had a nightmare here. Sheriff has dealt with him. Good stuff, he's been put in his place.
posted on 8/4/15
The fact that Tiki is sticking up for him suggests that Sheriff is the one having a shocker.....
posted on 8/4/15
I predicted 6th on a thread near august... and i stand by my prediction...but i would LOVE if we landed the fa cup..sweteen the fact no cl ..
I dont think br will deliver us sustained cl or titles but thats just my opinion...and we cant compete moneywise
.
posted on 8/4/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 51 minutes ago
"all in and considered (wages, squad cost, ownership and managerial upheaval, etc), you should be above us IMO"
You spend more. We pay higher wages. You can compete for any of our targets except they choose us above you like Alexis. You've had stable ownership with plenty of investment for 4 years. Your manager is completing his 3rd season, so there's no "upheaval". At worst, we're pretty much neck-and-neck. There is no "should" about us being above you. You're making excuses for failures.
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Come on Sherriff 3 years compared to how long Wenger has been at the club, you can't compare that
posted on 8/4/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 39 minutes ago
Who's throwing insults?
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making your team (and yourself) look pathetic?
Think you are lad
posted on 8/4/15
3 years is a lot for a manager in modern football. I sympathize with Liverpool to some extent but the truth of the matter is Arsenal has also changed owners aswell, lost players, spent less and still consistently finished above liverpool.
Yes, liverpool won more trophies during Arsenals barren spell but if we go back to as far as when Wenger was appointed then Arsenal have comfortably been more successful than Liverpool on a similar or less budget.
If we had to pinpoint the mistakes liverpool have made as a club you will have to look at your transfer policy ad overspending on overrated British players.
For me that's how Wenger ultimately made Arsebal a better squad than yours. We have both had to fight if the sugar daddy clubs but your transfer policy is what dug you into the ground.
I still think you should stick with Rodgers, and you will sign good young players. What you can't do is sell your best players. If you do that then Everton might just go past you aswell.
posted on 8/4/15
If we had to pinpoint the mistakes liverpool have made all else is minor or you could make similar criticisms to most clubs other than the H&G debacle.
that's ultimately what crippled the club and what we're still trying to recover from now. We were bankrupt in all but the final liquidation and all our best players left / were leaving. And we hadn't invested in the side for years.
Once you fall out of the top bracket you have to vastly outspend those above you to get back in or engage in a long term plan and hope for the best.
We chose the latter.
posted on 8/4/15
We were bankrupt in all but the final liquidation and all our best players left / were leaving. And we hadn't invested in the side for years.
.................
I seem to remember Rafa spending plenty of money when the cowboys were at the club.
20 million on Torres, 11 million on Babel, Keane 19 million, Skrtle 6 million, Dossena 7 million, Riera 8 million, Johnson 18 million, Aquilani 20 million etc.
posted on 8/4/15
I like your guts Sheriff. I dont see many Arsenal fans willing to go toe to toe with Liverpool fans (or anyone else) over European Competition. I'll let you have this one as a token of my appreciation.
posted on 8/4/15
first few years he did
then once the cowboys realised they were personally bankrupt in the middle of the 08/09 season, they started asset stripping and nearly destroyed the club.
posted on 8/4/15
Get a manager that can win in Europe so you don't have to expect higher than 5th.
posted on 8/4/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 minutes ago
We were bankrupt in all but the final liquidation and all our best players left / were leaving. And we hadn't invested in the side for years.
.................
I seem to remember Rafa spending plenty of money when the cowboys were at the club.
20 million on Torres, 11 million on Babel, Keane 19 million, Skrtle 6 million, Dossena 7 million, Riera 8 million, Johnson 18 million, Aquilani 20 million etc.
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He did only buy one 20 million pound player in his entire tenure though, he boughtots of players sell to buy and the vast majority were under 10 million
So while he did spend over the years with lots recouped through player sales he only once spent 20 million on a player, that's a very important point when analyzing Rafas spending
posted on 8/4/15
"Come on Sherriff 3 years
compared to how long Wenger has been at the club, you can't compare that"
That's a weird way of looking at it. I don't know if you think 3 years is 3 weeks. It's pretty long in modern footy. If anything most successful long-term managers have a boom cycle within the first 3 years before the bust phase. Wenger himself won the double in his first full season in '97/98 and nearly (very, very nearly) stole 2 of United's treble trophies in '98/99). The 15 extra years since then have hardly improved him has it?
posted on 8/4/15
Kaisers
What do you mean by asset stripping?
As far as I could see Liverpool were still going about business as usual. For the 2009/10 season you bought Johnson and Aquilani. The only major players you lost were Alonso and Arbeloa.
posted on 8/4/15
So while he did spend over the years with lots recouped through player sales he only once spent 20 million on a player, that's a very important point when analyzing Rafas spending
..................
Why?
posted on 8/4/15
Can't believe some people persist with the Benitez myth despite how many times the argument has been torn apart by "facts".
posted on 8/4/15
Weren't the cowboys using the club's earnings to pay off their own personal debt or something?
I vaguely remember it being something like that because many compared what they were doing to what the Glazers were doing.
posted on 8/4/15
Rafa's spending
http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3034
posted on 8/4/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
So while he did spend over the years with lots recouped through player sales he only once spent 20 million on a player, that's a very important point when analyzing Rafas spending
..................
Why?
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Isn't it obvious? He only once spent 20 million on a player meaning he barley ever bought at the top end of the market.
He spent too much time buying cheap players, selling them on and buying more cheap players, he wanted to build a large squad as he's into rotation but in hindsight he would have been better off spending over 20 mill on a few more players and not buying so many players over the years.
United,for example spent more on a teenager in Rooney the. rafa ever spent on a player
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