Giggs is clued up but the size of the job is massive. LVG demands player's respect and scares the media, stands up to them, takes no prisoners. You kind of need that at OT. Wonder whether Giggs is mentally strong enough to do that and to distance himself from the players etc
I think Giggs is. He's been at the club so long that he must be a huge character to last that long. He's got everyones respect and has learnt off some great managers. If Giggs does take over i think the club would have done their homework before giving him the reigns.
comment by Louis Van Socrates 'The Iron Tulip' ... (U17867)
posted 1 minute ago
Roonunited - Completely right.
I would guess that he will go at the end of his three years without winning us the league but maybe getting a runners-up spot. And I would not be at all surprised if Giggs is then given the job
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Cant wait to see how LVG approaches the CL presuming we get through the playoff. Hes a guy thats done it in europe before
comment by Louis Van Socrates 'The Iron Tulip' ... (U17867)
posted 3 minutes ago
Giggs is clued up but the size of the job is massive. LVG demands player's respect and scares the media, stands up to them, takes no prisoners. You kind of need that at OT. Wonder whether Giggs is mentally strong enough to do that and to distance himself from the players etc
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After the moyes experiance I would rather Giggs continue serve his time with another strong manager before taking the reigns
Weirdly, I think LVG will do better in the CL than the league. The whole sterile, control the midfield thing works better there.
Robb
I really don't care enough about a football forum to filter anyone. And it isn't your views that I have a problem with, but we've already been through this. Finally, every IQ test I've done has put me in the late 140s early 150s. I know I'm not the smartest on here, but I'm certainly not the dumbest.
comment by Robb - Fear the 'process' (U20351)
posted 28 seconds ago
Weirdly, I think LVG will do better in the CL than the league. The whole sterile, control the midfield thing works better there.
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Thinking the same way myself robb
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
Robb
I really don't care enough about a football forum to filter anyone. And it isn't your views that I have a problem with, but we've already been through this. Finally, every IQ test I've done has put me in the late 140s early 150s. I know I'm not the smartest on here, but I'm certainly not the dumbest.
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Well, I'm afraid you're very wrong about me and your weird assumptions about my allegiances.
If you continue to spout stupid stuff about me then either don't bother posting on my articles or try and stick to the topic at hand rather than trying to look for things that aren't there.
You're a good poster and I genuinely would rather to play nice with you as you're worth 1000 VCs or Nohlmans but I really can't be facked to have to defend myself as a united fan when I spend more time than anyone on these boards defending united players. The only ones I've had issues with recently were adm (which I was right about ) and DDG who it's clear wants to be off.
LVG is obviously passionate about the UTD job and seemed genuinely surprised and taken with the support from the fans after the poor start last season which one suspects has made him even more determined to bring success to the club. Im personally very confident about this season I think its going to be a successful one.
Maybe I am wrong and your just incredibly flakey. And it's hard to stick to the topic when you contradict yourself so much.
Fair enough Roo. I hope it does work out. I have nothing against LVG as such. I doubt it will work out but I doubt a lot of things in life that end up actually working out.
The fun will be seeing how it does end up.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 56 seconds ago
Maybe I am wrong and your just incredibly flakey. And it's hard to stick to the topic when you contradict yourself so much.
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Maybe I'm not contradicting myself, it's just that you misunderstand me.
I've explained myself on Moyes. I gave him more time than other people and was wrong. But surely that doesn't make me flakey if I start to doubt another manager sooner? Isn't it logical that a guy who has been burned by one manager might start to have doubts about another one who has some red flags that keep showing up. Logical in the sense that maybe one would learn their lesson and see things more objectively?
Anyway, I'd love to be wrong about LVG. Can't say any fairer than that.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
robb good to see you giving lvg the time you so strongly argued for moyes
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We played terrible football under Moyes, a manager that has never been renowned for exciting football, and Robb argues for giving him time. Yet he is now saying that it shouldn't take time to play attractive football and we shouldn't accept if from LVG.
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Good to see that many more people are beginning to see it as well. I do not mind wums and robb does post some interesting stuff about other topics.
The way I see it, he is either
1) Fan of another club in disguise (Arsenal or Liverpool)
2) Utd fan who craves attention and will take a contrary opinion to achieve that.
People keep saying they want to see swashbuckling football, the last time we played that kind of football consistently under SAF was the season we signed Berbatov.
LvG plays good football, always has, when he cannot he tries to win the most effective way possible.
People seem to ignore the fact he introduced all the new signings to the first 11 with 4 starting the game. This season is going to start slowly performance wise until everyone is fully settled and we will see some good stuff later.
Also to play swashbuckling football against teams like Spurs or Southampton is a challenge because of the way the close down the opposition.
I for one firmly believe LvG will succeed at Utd, he just needs time, Robb.
Look at how he rescued us from the hell hole Moyes got us in whilst losing 14 players, including 3 of the back 4, dealing with over 90 injuries in a season as well as bedding in 6 new players.
A better start and we could have had a title challenge.
So please, please, please, quit yer whining and support your manager, you know, the way you told us to when Moyes was destroying the club you claim to love.
I could post one of those articles if you like?
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
robb good to see you giving lvg the time you so strongly argued for moyes
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We played terrible football under Moyes, a manager that has never been renowned for exciting football, and Robb argues for giving him time. Yet he is now saying that it shouldn't take time to play attractive football and we shouldn't accept if from LVG.
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Good to see that many more people are beginning to see it as well. I do not mind wums and robb does post some interesting stuff about other topics.
The way I see it, he is either
1) Fan of another club in disguise (Arsenal or Liverpool)
2) Utd fan who craves attention and will take a contrary opinion to achieve that.
People keep saying they want to see swashbuckling football, the last time we played that kind of football consistently under SAF was the season we signed Berbatov.
LvG plays good football, always has, when he cannot he tries to win the most effective way possible.
People seem to ignore the fact he introduced all the new signings to the first 11 with 4 starting the game. This season is going to start slowly performance wise until everyone is fully settled and we will see some good stuff later.
Also to play swashbuckling football against teams like Spurs or Southampton is a challenge because of the way the close down the opposition.
I for one firmly believe LvG will succeed at Utd, he just needs time, Robb.
Look at how he rescued us from the hell hole Moyes got us in whilst losing 14 players, including 3 of the back 4, dealing with over 90 injuries in a season as well as bedding in 6 new players.
A better start and we could have had a title challenge.
So please, please, please, quit yer whining and support your manager, you know, the way you told us to when Moyes was destroying the club you claim to love.
I could post one of those articles if you like?
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What a weird threat.
What you're doing is worse my good man. I supported Moyes far past his sell by date and learnt my lesson. Now i'm less likely to support someone who I think is doing a poor job.
Where you on the other hand whined and whined and whined about Moyes but now tell people off for supposedly 'whining'.
Double standards much?
You're beginning to sound like a broken record. This bit was my favourite... 'he rescued us from the hell hole Moyes got us in'.
Wow. You have to be the biggest wum on this site if you really believe shitt like that my good man.
Not threatening you my good man, just hoping you can get in touch with your earlier principles. You seem to have discarded them like toilet paper.
Whined and whined about Moyes? Including when I defended his incompetence? Even wrote articles asking people to support him?
Moyes did drop us in the shtter my good man, 7th after winning the leage? Missing out on CL football? Losing the dressing room, videos of Jagielka? Over 60m spent and nothing to show for it?
For a club like Utd, that is a crisis, which is why he was sacked. Did you perhaps think he did a good job?
Did he leave the team in a good state?
Are you feeling okay, my good man?
He just had a bad season. Hardly something that was unfixable. You're being far too dramatic . If anything saf left the club in a worse state because of a poor and ageing squad masked by the brilliance of RVP.
As we see now the vast majority of that squad saf left has been shipped out. Fair play to LVG for doing so but Moyes would have done the same. Any manager taking over from saf knew there was major surgery needed at the club.
As for the 'whining' , I've admitted I was a bit silly with Moyes. Doesn't mean I can't voice my valid opinions about Lvg. Unless you're one of those people that doesn't accept people can change with experience.
Do you think Moyes would have done the same as LVG has done regarding shipping out players? I can't see it myself. I don't think that he had the mentality to get rid of the likes of RVP. The job was too big for him in my opinion.
Robb, did Moyes leave us in a good state or not?
You can voice your opinions about lvg, I said at least wait for the ball to be kicked.
For example, you tipped Valencia to start ahead of Darmian
It may have been Elvis but we'll never know. I do think he would have shipped out rvp. Imo he bought Mata to play behind Rooney and wanted to play a 4231. He wasn't stupid, he knew just like most us knew what needed to be done.
I just think he wasn't mentally strong enough to take over the saf side and instantly make the changes that were needed. I personally think he would have grown into the role but that's just an opinion.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb, did Moyes leave us in a good state or not?
You can voice your opinions about lvg, I said at least wait for the ball to be kicked.
For example, you tipped Valencia to start ahead of Darmian
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No I didn't . I said that lvg said Valencia would be our number one right back this season. But as he hadn't played in pre season i knew he wouldn't start on saturday and you can go through all my predicted team sheets if you like to confirm that.
If we're talking about predictions you said that Blind wouldn't play and that DDG would never wanna join Real because of his atletico past.
As for what state Moyes left us in its hard to say. He left lvg with a Europe free season on which to bed in his ideas and also less expectation. Lvg spent a lot of money and only had a top 4 target. Hardly a bad state.
Finishing 7th in the league after inheriting the champions, losing the dressing room and being out of Europe is not a bad state.
Fascinating
The point with Robb is
The lesson he learned from the moyes tenure is that he will no longer give managers time because in football today managers don't get time.
Is that righ Robb ?
I find it odd. At times last season we played better football than we did under Moyes. Surely that, coupled with the fact LVG managed to get us into 4th, despite terrible luck with injuries, would point to giving him more time. I realise that Robb isn't saying that we should sack him now, but he isn't really giving him time to actually show us what he can do. Whilst we may not all agree with LVG's strategy/philosophy, we can all admit that he has been consistent in his belief that the team was not balanced. As a result he has had to play formations and perhaps styles that he'd rather not. Lets at least wait and see how he/the team gets on now we have a more balanced squad.
Elvis, to be fair to Moyes we played some good stuff under him too. The Newcastle 4-0 away win. Both ties against Leverkusen. The Villa away game. There were good games.
Like you say, I'm not saying sack him now. Far from it. But I am concerned as are many people about the style of play and the decisions made. Maybe he'll do well and I hope he does because believe it or not, I am a united supporter. But just because I supported one manager past when people thought acceptable doesn't mean I can't voice concerns about another manager.
In life it's natural to learn from your mistakes. Remember, Moyes was the first ever manager I had to back in his first season. I was 6 when saf took over so I didn't know what a tough first season was and when to back or not. With Moyes I learnt a lesson. Lvg has some good qualities which is why I'm giving him time.
But as someone who is only here for 3 years I'd be expecting a lot better than what we're seeing now by the end of this season. Hopefully we will.
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Giggs is clued up but the size of the job is massive. LVG demands player's respect and scares the media, stands up to them, takes no prisoners. You kind of need that at OT. Wonder whether Giggs is mentally strong enough to do that and to distance himself from the players etc
posted on 10/8/15
I think Giggs is. He's been at the club so long that he must be a huge character to last that long. He's got everyones respect and has learnt off some great managers. If Giggs does take over i think the club would have done their homework before giving him the reigns.
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Louis Van Socrates 'The Iron Tulip' ... (U17867)
posted 1 minute ago
Roonunited - Completely right.
I would guess that he will go at the end of his three years without winning us the league but maybe getting a runners-up spot. And I would not be at all surprised if Giggs is then given the job
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Cant wait to see how LVG approaches the CL presuming we get through the playoff. Hes a guy thats done it in europe before
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Louis Van Socrates 'The Iron Tulip' ... (U17867)
posted 3 minutes ago
Giggs is clued up but the size of the job is massive. LVG demands player's respect and scares the media, stands up to them, takes no prisoners. You kind of need that at OT. Wonder whether Giggs is mentally strong enough to do that and to distance himself from the players etc
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After the moyes experiance I would rather Giggs continue serve his time with another strong manager before taking the reigns
posted on 10/8/15
Weirdly, I think LVG will do better in the CL than the league. The whole sterile, control the midfield thing works better there.
posted on 10/8/15
Robb
I really don't care enough about a football forum to filter anyone. And it isn't your views that I have a problem with, but we've already been through this. Finally, every IQ test I've done has put me in the late 140s early 150s. I know I'm not the smartest on here, but I'm certainly not the dumbest.
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Robb - Fear the 'process' (U20351)
posted 28 seconds ago
Weirdly, I think LVG will do better in the CL than the league. The whole sterile, control the midfield thing works better there.
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Thinking the same way myself robb
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
Robb
I really don't care enough about a football forum to filter anyone. And it isn't your views that I have a problem with, but we've already been through this. Finally, every IQ test I've done has put me in the late 140s early 150s. I know I'm not the smartest on here, but I'm certainly not the dumbest.
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Well, I'm afraid you're very wrong about me and your weird assumptions about my allegiances.
If you continue to spout stupid stuff about me then either don't bother posting on my articles or try and stick to the topic at hand rather than trying to look for things that aren't there.
You're a good poster and I genuinely would rather to play nice with you as you're worth 1000 VCs or Nohlmans but I really can't be facked to have to defend myself as a united fan when I spend more time than anyone on these boards defending united players. The only ones I've had issues with recently were adm (which I was right about ) and DDG who it's clear wants to be off.
posted on 10/8/15
LVG is obviously passionate about the UTD job and seemed genuinely surprised and taken with the support from the fans after the poor start last season which one suspects has made him even more determined to bring success to the club. Im personally very confident about this season I think its going to be a successful one.
posted on 10/8/15
Maybe I am wrong and your just incredibly flakey. And it's hard to stick to the topic when you contradict yourself so much.
posted on 10/8/15
Fair enough Roo. I hope it does work out. I have nothing against LVG as such. I doubt it will work out but I doubt a lot of things in life that end up actually working out.
The fun will be seeing how it does end up.
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 56 seconds ago
Maybe I am wrong and your just incredibly flakey. And it's hard to stick to the topic when you contradict yourself so much.
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Maybe I'm not contradicting myself, it's just that you misunderstand me.
I've explained myself on Moyes. I gave him more time than other people and was wrong. But surely that doesn't make me flakey if I start to doubt another manager sooner? Isn't it logical that a guy who has been burned by one manager might start to have doubts about another one who has some red flags that keep showing up. Logical in the sense that maybe one would learn their lesson and see things more objectively?
Anyway, I'd love to be wrong about LVG. Can't say any fairer than that.
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
robb good to see you giving lvg the time you so strongly argued for moyes
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We played terrible football under Moyes, a manager that has never been renowned for exciting football, and Robb argues for giving him time. Yet he is now saying that it shouldn't take time to play attractive football and we shouldn't accept if from LVG.
====================
Good to see that many more people are beginning to see it as well. I do not mind wums and robb does post some interesting stuff about other topics.
The way I see it, he is either
1) Fan of another club in disguise (Arsenal or Liverpool)
2) Utd fan who craves attention and will take a contrary opinion to achieve that.
People keep saying they want to see swashbuckling football, the last time we played that kind of football consistently under SAF was the season we signed Berbatov.
LvG plays good football, always has, when he cannot he tries to win the most effective way possible.
People seem to ignore the fact he introduced all the new signings to the first 11 with 4 starting the game. This season is going to start slowly performance wise until everyone is fully settled and we will see some good stuff later.
Also to play swashbuckling football against teams like Spurs or Southampton is a challenge because of the way the close down the opposition.
I for one firmly believe LvG will succeed at Utd, he just needs time, Robb.
Look at how he rescued us from the hell hole Moyes got us in whilst losing 14 players, including 3 of the back 4, dealing with over 90 injuries in a season as well as bedding in 6 new players.
A better start and we could have had a title challenge.
So please, please, please, quit yer whining and support your manager, you know, the way you told us to when Moyes was destroying the club you claim to love.
I could post one of those articles if you like?
posted on 10/8/15
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
robb good to see you giving lvg the time you so strongly argued for moyes
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We played terrible football under Moyes, a manager that has never been renowned for exciting football, and Robb argues for giving him time. Yet he is now saying that it shouldn't take time to play attractive football and we shouldn't accept if from LVG.
====================
Good to see that many more people are beginning to see it as well. I do not mind wums and robb does post some interesting stuff about other topics.
The way I see it, he is either
1) Fan of another club in disguise (Arsenal or Liverpool)
2) Utd fan who craves attention and will take a contrary opinion to achieve that.
People keep saying they want to see swashbuckling football, the last time we played that kind of football consistently under SAF was the season we signed Berbatov.
LvG plays good football, always has, when he cannot he tries to win the most effective way possible.
People seem to ignore the fact he introduced all the new signings to the first 11 with 4 starting the game. This season is going to start slowly performance wise until everyone is fully settled and we will see some good stuff later.
Also to play swashbuckling football against teams like Spurs or Southampton is a challenge because of the way the close down the opposition.
I for one firmly believe LvG will succeed at Utd, he just needs time, Robb.
Look at how he rescued us from the hell hole Moyes got us in whilst losing 14 players, including 3 of the back 4, dealing with over 90 injuries in a season as well as bedding in 6 new players.
A better start and we could have had a title challenge.
So please, please, please, quit yer whining and support your manager, you know, the way you told us to when Moyes was destroying the club you claim to love.
I could post one of those articles if you like?
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What a weird threat.
What you're doing is worse my good man. I supported Moyes far past his sell by date and learnt my lesson. Now i'm less likely to support someone who I think is doing a poor job.
Where you on the other hand whined and whined and whined about Moyes but now tell people off for supposedly 'whining'.
Double standards much?
You're beginning to sound like a broken record. This bit was my favourite... 'he rescued us from the hell hole Moyes got us in'.
Wow. You have to be the biggest wum on this site if you really believe shitt like that my good man.
posted on 10/8/15
Not threatening you my good man, just hoping you can get in touch with your earlier principles. You seem to have discarded them like toilet paper.
Whined and whined about Moyes? Including when I defended his incompetence? Even wrote articles asking people to support him?
Moyes did drop us in the shtter my good man, 7th after winning the leage? Missing out on CL football? Losing the dressing room, videos of Jagielka? Over 60m spent and nothing to show for it?
For a club like Utd, that is a crisis, which is why he was sacked. Did you perhaps think he did a good job?
Did he leave the team in a good state?
Are you feeling okay, my good man?
posted on 10/8/15
He just had a bad season. Hardly something that was unfixable. You're being far too dramatic . If anything saf left the club in a worse state because of a poor and ageing squad masked by the brilliance of RVP.
As we see now the vast majority of that squad saf left has been shipped out. Fair play to LVG for doing so but Moyes would have done the same. Any manager taking over from saf knew there was major surgery needed at the club.
As for the 'whining' , I've admitted I was a bit silly with Moyes. Doesn't mean I can't voice my valid opinions about Lvg. Unless you're one of those people that doesn't accept people can change with experience.
posted on 10/8/15
Do you think Moyes would have done the same as LVG has done regarding shipping out players? I can't see it myself. I don't think that he had the mentality to get rid of the likes of RVP. The job was too big for him in my opinion.
posted on 10/8/15
Robb, did Moyes leave us in a good state or not?
You can voice your opinions about lvg, I said at least wait for the ball to be kicked.
For example, you tipped Valencia to start ahead of Darmian
posted on 10/8/15
It may have been Elvis but we'll never know. I do think he would have shipped out rvp. Imo he bought Mata to play behind Rooney and wanted to play a 4231. He wasn't stupid, he knew just like most us knew what needed to be done.
I just think he wasn't mentally strong enough to take over the saf side and instantly make the changes that were needed. I personally think he would have grown into the role but that's just an opinion.
posted on 10/8/15
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb, did Moyes leave us in a good state or not?
You can voice your opinions about lvg, I said at least wait for the ball to be kicked.
For example, you tipped Valencia to start ahead of Darmian
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No I didn't . I said that lvg said Valencia would be our number one right back this season. But as he hadn't played in pre season i knew he wouldn't start on saturday and you can go through all my predicted team sheets if you like to confirm that.
If we're talking about predictions you said that Blind wouldn't play and that DDG would never wanna join Real because of his atletico past.
As for what state Moyes left us in its hard to say. He left lvg with a Europe free season on which to bed in his ideas and also less expectation. Lvg spent a lot of money and only had a top 4 target. Hardly a bad state.
posted on 10/8/15
Finishing 7th in the league after inheriting the champions, losing the dressing room and being out of Europe is not a bad state.
Fascinating
posted on 10/8/15
The point with Robb is
The lesson he learned from the moyes tenure is that he will no longer give managers time because in football today managers don't get time.
Is that righ Robb ?
posted on 10/8/15
I find it odd. At times last season we played better football than we did under Moyes. Surely that, coupled with the fact LVG managed to get us into 4th, despite terrible luck with injuries, would point to giving him more time. I realise that Robb isn't saying that we should sack him now, but he isn't really giving him time to actually show us what he can do. Whilst we may not all agree with LVG's strategy/philosophy, we can all admit that he has been consistent in his belief that the team was not balanced. As a result he has had to play formations and perhaps styles that he'd rather not. Lets at least wait and see how he/the team gets on now we have a more balanced squad.
posted on 10/8/15
Elvis, to be fair to Moyes we played some good stuff under him too. The Newcastle 4-0 away win. Both ties against Leverkusen. The Villa away game. There were good games.
Like you say, I'm not saying sack him now. Far from it. But I am concerned as are many people about the style of play and the decisions made. Maybe he'll do well and I hope he does because believe it or not, I am a united supporter. But just because I supported one manager past when people thought acceptable doesn't mean I can't voice concerns about another manager.
In life it's natural to learn from your mistakes. Remember, Moyes was the first ever manager I had to back in his first season. I was 6 when saf took over so I didn't know what a tough first season was and when to back or not. With Moyes I learnt a lesson. Lvg has some good qualities which is why I'm giving him time.
But as someone who is only here for 3 years I'd be expecting a lot better than what we're seeing now by the end of this season. Hopefully we will.
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