it's all scaremongering because they don't want other countries (Greece) to consider leaving nowz, or spain or Italy, when further austerity is enforced upon them in the future.
---------
Tfhose countries, Greece especially exhibited poor governance which led them to the positions they were in
The EU countries help support them with funds, but will need that money paid back.
How are they going to pay it back without cutting spending?
Unless you think they shouldn't have to pay it back.
There does seem to be an increasing whiff of desperation from the Remain camp.
They sense a very close call.
The voting registration stuff today is clear evidence of this.
^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36476176
comment by Planète des Singes-"I usually have a second pair of glasses but I can't find them because it's hard to find glasses without glasses!"🙈🙉🙊 (U4158)
posted 8 minutes ago
There does seem to be an increasing whiff of desperation from the Remain camp.
They sense a very close call.
The voting registration stuff today is clear evidence of this.
-----
How is that desperate?
There was a technical glitch meaning people that wanted to vote and tried to register, couldn't.
It's reasonable to allow them time to register, isn't it?
The desperation seems to come from the leave brigade that want to paint anything as remain desperation, even when it's reasonable as in your example.
I do know that if I was going on line to register, and it wouldn't let me, I would demand to be able to do so in the coming days.
http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/06/05/how-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/
TOOR, if I am right, and I accept its a big "if", there will be difficulties, it's inevitable, but being a desired market for the rest of the world to sell their goods to, it's not going to be the Armageddon that some predict.
Staying in however will create even greater turmoil. Should the leave camp lose, they won't lie down and die. Into the melting pot will come the EU with even more directives, regulations, laws etc that will almost certainly have a large if not catastrophic effect on the current government and its ability to survive.
The problem with that is that there appears, in my view, no viable alternative political party geared up to take their place. Doesn't look very good, does it?
We live in interesting times.
JimmyTheRed
Wow this thread is still going. Idon't have the patience to read through all these replies, because they're angering me and i can't correct all the thorough bullsheet coming from the likes of baldybonce and JTR by replying to every comment.
Metro - You're talking nonsense. Norway pay as much per head to be a member of the EFTA as we do to be part of the EU. They still have to comply with all EU regulations and allow free movement of people. How is that an improvement?
Baldybonce - You claim to have 'done your research', but apparently that means reading the daily express and brexit websites. Your 'facts and statistics' are all horrendously overblown and misleading. "up to £--" means that the actual figure is much lower. MANY studies have shown that eu migrants come here for WORK, and contribute MORE THAN THEY TAKE. There is no evidence whatsoever that migrants come here to sit at home claiming benefits. £76bn is actually the worst scaremongering figure i've seen so far
As someone who has worked in london in a minimum wage job that Brits REFUSED to do, that was entirely migrant staffed, they live is terrible accommodation, spend frugally and still struggle to get by. They come for jobs and they don't want to stay.
The problem we have is that schools don't teach people how to analyse statistics or assess the accuracy or viability of research. News websites are terrible for reporting any research paper as fact, even if there's no conclusion to be made from it. The same thing is happening during this referendum. Both sides are bombarding people with misleading facts (mainly brexit through the press) and people are too naive to deduce what is accurate or just lack the mental capacity. This is why there should never have been a referendum in the first place
I should also add that people like baldybonce, who have been to a few different websites, or read a few articles by different papers (only 2 papers are pro remain, mainly because the others are owned by likes of murdoch who will benefit from a leave vote) which are biased as all hell, proclaim that they have 'done their research'. Doing actual research means analysing contrasting FACTS, not misleading conjecture, lies or bogus figures, and then forming a conclusion.
The problem with this is that the brexit campaign does not have a single fact or reliable study that supports their campaign. The only 'fact' they have is the £350m, and their leading donor has said they shouldn't use it as it's misleading.
Anyone can find an example of a migrant doing a bad thing, or a governing body being incompetent. the point is to take things as a whole, not in isolation.
Also on a side note, brexiters seem to be linking the refugee crisis with eu migration for some reason. The refugee issue has nothing to do with our membership of the eu
The problem with this is that the brexit campaign does not have a single fact or reliable study that supports their campaign. The only 'fact' they have is the £350m, and their leading donor has said they shouldn't use it as it's misleading.
-----------------------------------
I have seen Daniel Hannan claim that the only two continents not growing are antartica and the EU. this is not true. Last year the EU grew at 1.9%. the year before it grew at 1.4%. In the last quarter the EU grew by 0.6% compared to the UK (0.4%).
Another claim I have seen by him and Farage is that there are "no tariffs from Iceland to Turkey". Not true either. Norway for instance is part of the EEA. Agricultural products are not covered by free trade and so has to pay on its farm produce. Norway recently put levies on cheese and meat products.
My conclusion is that I will be voting to stay in. I am not convinced by this argument about "governing ourselves" is valid. After all, UK government dictates economic policy, foreign policy, domestic policy, military policy. The bank of England controls interest rates.
Brennie Babes, I'm feeling left out! Please tell me where I've got it wrong.
JTR
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Brennie Babes, I'm feeling left out! Please tell me where I've got it wrong.
JTR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Jimmy. You're a lost cause
“The consensus now is there would be a huge economic shock if we voted to leave,” she said. “Undoubtedly, the thing that’s most going to influence the financial health of the NHS is the background economy. So I think there would be a Brexit penalty.
Dr Wollaston, chairman of the health select committee, said Vote Leave's claim that Brexit would free up £350m a week for the NHS "simply isn't true"
She was a campaigner for vote leave
"I voted to stay in the Common Market in 1975. I did not vote for a political union, I did not expect us to hand over sovereignty to the EU." - JCB chairman Lord Bamford.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36485985
by appointing itself the eurozone’s “whatever it takes” saviour of last resort, the ECB has allowed politicians to sit on their hands with regard to growth-enhancing reforms and necessary fiscal consolidation.
Thereby ECB policy is threatening the European project as a whole for the sake of short-term financial stability.
In 12 pages of damning analysis, Germany's biggest lender attacks the ECB's policies, and compares the bank's mistakes to those made by the German Reichsbank, and the US Federal Reserve in the 1920s, which eventually helped lead the US into the Great Depression.
"That was a hundred years ago but mistakes keep happening despite all the supposed improvements to central banking, from independence to better data and more sophisticated theoretical and econometric models," the report says.
Deutsche Bank's damning indictment of the ECB's performance comes on the same day as reports that another of Germany's biggest lenders, Commerzbank, is considering storing cash in its own vaults to avoid paying for storage thanks to the ECB's negative interest rates.If that does happen, it would likely be seen as a huge vote of no confidence for the ECB.
again, as many of us have been saying all along, the EU, EC, ECB, eurozone, the euro.
it's all a continuing disastrous litany of incompetence, fraud, and mismanagement. where instead of attempting to solve any problems, the procrastination of kicking the can down the road and repeating the same mistakes later is 'de rigueur'.
the whole system is a collection of opposing requirements and systemic problems. it's whole design and implementation is flawed, and they refuse to change it. it's had so many problems in it's short life simply because the problems are built into it, and not one of those problems has yet been solved, only deferred.
it's going to implode, and when it does, it'll be a mess. it'll be bad enough from the outside, to tie ourselves into this system isn't just folly, it's sheer madness.
by appointing itself the eurozone’s “whatever it takes” saviour of last resort, the ECB has allowed politicians to sit on their hands with regard to growth-enhancing reforms and necessary fiscal consolidation.
Thereby ECB policy is threatening the European project as a whole for the sake of short-term financial stability.
In 12 pages of damning analysis, Germany's biggest lender attacks the ECB's policies, and compares the bank's mistakes to those made by the German Reichsbank, and the US Federal Reserve in the 1920s, which eventually helped lead the US into the Great Depression.
"That was a hundred years ago but mistakes keep happening despite all the supposed improvements to central banking, from independence to better data and more sophisticated theoretical and econometric models," the report says.
Deutsche Bank's damning indictment of the ECB's performance comes on the same day as reports that another of Germany's biggest lenders, Commerzbank, is considering storing cash in its own vaults to avoid paying for storage thanks to the ECB's negative interest rates.If that does happen, it would likely be seen as a huge vote of no confidence for the ECB.
again, as many of us have been saying all along, the EU, EC, ECB, eurozone, the euro.
it's all a continuing disastrous litany of incompetence, fraud, and mismanagement. where instead of attempting to solve any problems, the procrastination of kicking the can down the road and repeating the same mistakes later is 'de rigueur'.
the whole system is a collection of opposing requirements and systemic problems. it's whole design and implementation is flawed, and they refuse to change it. it's had so many problems in it's short life simply because the problems are built into it, and not one of those problems has yet been solved, only deferred.
it's going to implode, and when it does, it'll be a mess. it'll be bad enough from the outside, to tie ourselves into this system isn't just folly, it's sheer madness
---------------
So... Does David Folkerts-Landau subscribe to the view that Germany should leave the EU?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735
In 2000 Sir James Dyson had said Britain would be "suicidal" not to join the single currency and that in 2014 he had called for the free movement of people within the EU to be retained.
anyway...
The European championships have started...
There's nothing a few weeks of debate on here has shown me, with any credibility, that voting to leave the EU has positives (if any) to outstrip the negatives of doing so.
Going to enjoy the football now for a couple of weeks before voting remain
When you know Cameron is genuinely rattled; trying some desperate scaremongering:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36509931
Before last General Election:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11428184/David-Cameron-Conservatives-will-protect-pensioner-benefits.html
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 20 hours, 52 minutes ago
In 2000 Sir James Dyson had said Britain would be "suicidal" not to join the single currency and that in 2014 he had called for the free movement of people within the EU to be retained.
============================
Just goes to show that advocates to remain in the EU can get it wrong...
......plenty of the institutions who have forecast a financial meltdown if we leave the EU were champions of the UK joining the single currency & the ERM
comment by Planète des Singes-"I usually have a second pair of glasses but I can't find them because it's hard to find glasses without glasses!"🙈🙉🙊 (U4158)
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 20 hours, 52 minutes ago
In 2000 Sir James Dyson had said Britain would be "suicidal" not to join the single currency and that in 2014 he had called for the free movement of people within the EU to be retained.
============================
Just goes to show that advocates to remain in the EU can get it wrong...
......plenty of the institutions who have forecast a financial meltdown if we leave the EU were champions of the UK joining the single currency & the ERM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
OR it shows that they have realised they will personally profit from leaving, which is why Local small businesses with no international element all want to leave. Dysons aren't made in this country and the research base in malmesbury (a few miles from where i live) is mainly done by brits so i don't imagine this will affect his business at all. Every other large business with any international ties however...
BRexit keep bringing up JCB as being a supporter, but it's only their chairman (a wealthy lord) who wants to leave, not the company. Rollls Royce on the other hand have actually messaged all their staff urging them to vote remain, because it makes business sense. See where i'm going with this? A few wealthy individuals with vested interests want out, but the majority want in, yet somehow the EU is all about 'elites putting down the man in the street'. Whta a gullible nation we are
Citi group the largest financial institution in the UK have also emailed their staff. Whilst they did say it's up to them they said that it would have a negative impact on the company. The London group have already moved to Dublin.
comment by Brennie Babes (U8994)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
"Whta (sic) a gullible nation we are..."
Speak for yourself.
Some food for thought.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/the-eu-exists-only-to-become-a-superstate-britain-has-no-place-i/
"There has always been another political objective behind European economic integration, one which is now firmly in the foreground.
That is the creation of a federal European superstate, a United States of Europe. Despite the resonance of the phrase, not one of the conditions that contributed to making a success of the United States of America exists in the case of the EU. But that is what the EU is all about.
That is its sole raison d’être. And, unlike the first objective, it is profoundly misguided. For the United Kingdom to remain in the EU would be particularly perverse, since not even our political elites wish to see this country absorbed into a United States of Europe.
To be part of a political project whose objective we emphatically do not share cannot possibly make sense. It is true that our present Prime Minister argues that he has secured a British “opt-out” from the political union, but this is completely meaningless.
“But,” comes the inevitable question, “what is your alternative to membership of the EU?” A more absurd question it would be hard to envisage.
"The alternative to being in the EU is not being in the EU. And it may come as a shock to the little Europeans that most of the world is not in the EU – and that most of these countries are doing better economically than most of the EU."
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posted on 8/6/16
it's all scaremongering because they don't want other countries (Greece) to consider leaving nowz, or spain or Italy, when further austerity is enforced upon them in the future.
---------
Tfhose countries, Greece especially exhibited poor governance which led them to the positions they were in
The EU countries help support them with funds, but will need that money paid back.
How are they going to pay it back without cutting spending?
Unless you think they shouldn't have to pay it back.
posted on 8/6/16
There does seem to be an increasing whiff of desperation from the Remain camp.
They sense a very close call.
The voting registration stuff today is clear evidence of this.
posted on 8/6/16
^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36476176
posted on 8/6/16
comment by Planète des Singes-"I usually have a second pair of glasses but I can't find them because it's hard to find glasses without glasses!"🙈🙉🙊 (U4158)
posted 8 minutes ago
There does seem to be an increasing whiff of desperation from the Remain camp.
They sense a very close call.
The voting registration stuff today is clear evidence of this.
-----
How is that desperate?
There was a technical glitch meaning people that wanted to vote and tried to register, couldn't.
It's reasonable to allow them time to register, isn't it?
The desperation seems to come from the leave brigade that want to paint anything as remain desperation, even when it's reasonable as in your example.
I do know that if I was going on line to register, and it wouldn't let me, I would demand to be able to do so in the coming days.
posted on 8/6/16
http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/06/05/how-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/
posted on 8/6/16
TOOR, if I am right, and I accept its a big "if", there will be difficulties, it's inevitable, but being a desired market for the rest of the world to sell their goods to, it's not going to be the Armageddon that some predict.
Staying in however will create even greater turmoil. Should the leave camp lose, they won't lie down and die. Into the melting pot will come the EU with even more directives, regulations, laws etc that will almost certainly have a large if not catastrophic effect on the current government and its ability to survive.
The problem with that is that there appears, in my view, no viable alternative political party geared up to take their place. Doesn't look very good, does it?
We live in interesting times.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 8/6/16
Wow this thread is still going. Idon't have the patience to read through all these replies, because they're angering me and i can't correct all the thorough bullsheet coming from the likes of baldybonce and JTR by replying to every comment.
Metro - You're talking nonsense. Norway pay as much per head to be a member of the EFTA as we do to be part of the EU. They still have to comply with all EU regulations and allow free movement of people. How is that an improvement?
Baldybonce - You claim to have 'done your research', but apparently that means reading the daily express and brexit websites. Your 'facts and statistics' are all horrendously overblown and misleading. "up to £--" means that the actual figure is much lower. MANY studies have shown that eu migrants come here for WORK, and contribute MORE THAN THEY TAKE. There is no evidence whatsoever that migrants come here to sit at home claiming benefits. £76bn is actually the worst scaremongering figure i've seen so far
As someone who has worked in london in a minimum wage job that Brits REFUSED to do, that was entirely migrant staffed, they live is terrible accommodation, spend frugally and still struggle to get by. They come for jobs and they don't want to stay.
The problem we have is that schools don't teach people how to analyse statistics or assess the accuracy or viability of research. News websites are terrible for reporting any research paper as fact, even if there's no conclusion to be made from it. The same thing is happening during this referendum. Both sides are bombarding people with misleading facts (mainly brexit through the press) and people are too naive to deduce what is accurate or just lack the mental capacity. This is why there should never have been a referendum in the first place
posted on 8/6/16
I should also add that people like baldybonce, who have been to a few different websites, or read a few articles by different papers (only 2 papers are pro remain, mainly because the others are owned by likes of murdoch who will benefit from a leave vote) which are biased as all hell, proclaim that they have 'done their research'. Doing actual research means analysing contrasting FACTS, not misleading conjecture, lies or bogus figures, and then forming a conclusion.
The problem with this is that the brexit campaign does not have a single fact or reliable study that supports their campaign. The only 'fact' they have is the £350m, and their leading donor has said they shouldn't use it as it's misleading.
Anyone can find an example of a migrant doing a bad thing, or a governing body being incompetent. the point is to take things as a whole, not in isolation.
Also on a side note, brexiters seem to be linking the refugee crisis with eu migration for some reason. The refugee issue has nothing to do with our membership of the eu
posted on 8/6/16
The problem with this is that the brexit campaign does not have a single fact or reliable study that supports their campaign. The only 'fact' they have is the £350m, and their leading donor has said they shouldn't use it as it's misleading.
-----------------------------------
I have seen Daniel Hannan claim that the only two continents not growing are antartica and the EU. this is not true. Last year the EU grew at 1.9%. the year before it grew at 1.4%. In the last quarter the EU grew by 0.6% compared to the UK (0.4%).
Another claim I have seen by him and Farage is that there are "no tariffs from Iceland to Turkey". Not true either. Norway for instance is part of the EEA. Agricultural products are not covered by free trade and so has to pay on its farm produce. Norway recently put levies on cheese and meat products.
My conclusion is that I will be voting to stay in. I am not convinced by this argument about "governing ourselves" is valid. After all, UK government dictates economic policy, foreign policy, domestic policy, military policy. The bank of England controls interest rates.
posted on 8/6/16
Brennie Babes, I'm feeling left out! Please tell me where I've got it wrong.
JTR
posted on 8/6/16
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Brennie Babes, I'm feeling left out! Please tell me where I've got it wrong.
JTR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Jimmy. You're a lost cause
posted on 9/6/16
“The consensus now is there would be a huge economic shock if we voted to leave,” she said. “Undoubtedly, the thing that’s most going to influence the financial health of the NHS is the background economy. So I think there would be a Brexit penalty.
Dr Wollaston, chairman of the health select committee, said Vote Leave's claim that Brexit would free up £350m a week for the NHS "simply isn't true"
She was a campaigner for vote leave
posted on 9/6/16
"I voted to stay in the Common Market in 1975. I did not vote for a political union, I did not expect us to hand over sovereignty to the EU." - JCB chairman Lord Bamford.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36485985
posted on 9/6/16
by appointing itself the eurozone’s “whatever it takes” saviour of last resort, the ECB has allowed politicians to sit on their hands with regard to growth-enhancing reforms and necessary fiscal consolidation.
Thereby ECB policy is threatening the European project as a whole for the sake of short-term financial stability.
In 12 pages of damning analysis, Germany's biggest lender attacks the ECB's policies, and compares the bank's mistakes to those made by the German Reichsbank, and the US Federal Reserve in the 1920s, which eventually helped lead the US into the Great Depression.
"That was a hundred years ago but mistakes keep happening despite all the supposed improvements to central banking, from independence to better data and more sophisticated theoretical and econometric models," the report says.
Deutsche Bank's damning indictment of the ECB's performance comes on the same day as reports that another of Germany's biggest lenders, Commerzbank, is considering storing cash in its own vaults to avoid paying for storage thanks to the ECB's negative interest rates.If that does happen, it would likely be seen as a huge vote of no confidence for the ECB.
again, as many of us have been saying all along, the EU, EC, ECB, eurozone, the euro.
it's all a continuing disastrous litany of incompetence, fraud, and mismanagement. where instead of attempting to solve any problems, the procrastination of kicking the can down the road and repeating the same mistakes later is 'de rigueur'.
the whole system is a collection of opposing requirements and systemic problems. it's whole design and implementation is flawed, and they refuse to change it. it's had so many problems in it's short life simply because the problems are built into it, and not one of those problems has yet been solved, only deferred.
it's going to implode, and when it does, it'll be a mess. it'll be bad enough from the outside, to tie ourselves into this system isn't just folly, it's sheer madness.
posted on 9/6/16
by appointing itself the eurozone’s “whatever it takes” saviour of last resort, the ECB has allowed politicians to sit on their hands with regard to growth-enhancing reforms and necessary fiscal consolidation.
Thereby ECB policy is threatening the European project as a whole for the sake of short-term financial stability.
In 12 pages of damning analysis, Germany's biggest lender attacks the ECB's policies, and compares the bank's mistakes to those made by the German Reichsbank, and the US Federal Reserve in the 1920s, which eventually helped lead the US into the Great Depression.
"That was a hundred years ago but mistakes keep happening despite all the supposed improvements to central banking, from independence to better data and more sophisticated theoretical and econometric models," the report says.
Deutsche Bank's damning indictment of the ECB's performance comes on the same day as reports that another of Germany's biggest lenders, Commerzbank, is considering storing cash in its own vaults to avoid paying for storage thanks to the ECB's negative interest rates.If that does happen, it would likely be seen as a huge vote of no confidence for the ECB.
again, as many of us have been saying all along, the EU, EC, ECB, eurozone, the euro.
it's all a continuing disastrous litany of incompetence, fraud, and mismanagement. where instead of attempting to solve any problems, the procrastination of kicking the can down the road and repeating the same mistakes later is 'de rigueur'.
the whole system is a collection of opposing requirements and systemic problems. it's whole design and implementation is flawed, and they refuse to change it. it's had so many problems in it's short life simply because the problems are built into it, and not one of those problems has yet been solved, only deferred.
it's going to implode, and when it does, it'll be a mess. it'll be bad enough from the outside, to tie ourselves into this system isn't just folly, it's sheer madness
---------------
So... Does David Folkerts-Landau subscribe to the view that Germany should leave the EU?
posted on 11/6/16
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735
posted on 11/6/16
In 2000 Sir James Dyson had said Britain would be "suicidal" not to join the single currency and that in 2014 he had called for the free movement of people within the EU to be retained.
posted on 11/6/16
anyway...
The European championships have started...
There's nothing a few weeks of debate on here has shown me, with any credibility, that voting to leave the EU has positives (if any) to outstrip the negatives of doing so.
Going to enjoy the football now for a couple of weeks before voting remain
posted on 12/6/16
When you know Cameron is genuinely rattled; trying some desperate scaremongering:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36509931
Before last General Election:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11428184/David-Cameron-Conservatives-will-protect-pensioner-benefits.html
posted on 12/6/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 20 hours, 52 minutes ago
In 2000 Sir James Dyson had said Britain would be "suicidal" not to join the single currency and that in 2014 he had called for the free movement of people within the EU to be retained.
============================
Just goes to show that advocates to remain in the EU can get it wrong...
......plenty of the institutions who have forecast a financial meltdown if we leave the EU were champions of the UK joining the single currency & the ERM
posted on 17/6/16
comment by Planète des Singes-"I usually have a second pair of glasses but I can't find them because it's hard to find glasses without glasses!"🙈🙉🙊 (U4158)
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 20 hours, 52 minutes ago
In 2000 Sir James Dyson had said Britain would be "suicidal" not to join the single currency and that in 2014 he had called for the free movement of people within the EU to be retained.
============================
Just goes to show that advocates to remain in the EU can get it wrong...
......plenty of the institutions who have forecast a financial meltdown if we leave the EU were champions of the UK joining the single currency & the ERM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
OR it shows that they have realised they will personally profit from leaving, which is why Local small businesses with no international element all want to leave. Dysons aren't made in this country and the research base in malmesbury (a few miles from where i live) is mainly done by brits so i don't imagine this will affect his business at all. Every other large business with any international ties however...
BRexit keep bringing up JCB as being a supporter, but it's only their chairman (a wealthy lord) who wants to leave, not the company. Rollls Royce on the other hand have actually messaged all their staff urging them to vote remain, because it makes business sense. See where i'm going with this? A few wealthy individuals with vested interests want out, but the majority want in, yet somehow the EU is all about 'elites putting down the man in the street'. Whta a gullible nation we are
posted on 17/6/16
Citi group the largest financial institution in the UK have also emailed their staff. Whilst they did say it's up to them they said that it would have a negative impact on the company. The London group have already moved to Dublin.
posted on 17/6/16
comment by Brennie Babes (U8994)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
"Whta (sic) a gullible nation we are..."
Speak for yourself.
posted on 17/6/16
Some food for thought.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/the-eu-exists-only-to-become-a-superstate-britain-has-no-place-i/
posted on 17/6/16
"There has always been another political objective behind European economic integration, one which is now firmly in the foreground.
That is the creation of a federal European superstate, a United States of Europe. Despite the resonance of the phrase, not one of the conditions that contributed to making a success of the United States of America exists in the case of the EU. But that is what the EU is all about.
That is its sole raison d’être. And, unlike the first objective, it is profoundly misguided. For the United Kingdom to remain in the EU would be particularly perverse, since not even our political elites wish to see this country absorbed into a United States of Europe.
To be part of a political project whose objective we emphatically do not share cannot possibly make sense. It is true that our present Prime Minister argues that he has secured a British “opt-out” from the political union, but this is completely meaningless.
“But,” comes the inevitable question, “what is your alternative to membership of the EU?” A more absurd question it would be hard to envisage.
"The alternative to being in the EU is not being in the EU. And it may come as a shock to the little Europeans that most of the world is not in the EU – and that most of these countries are doing better economically than most of the EU."
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