comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
Weare doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

The EU put forward the working time directive - 45 hour working week to give people a work life balance, the same Brexiters were saying this actually costs businesses money. Meaning people couldn't be pressured into working long hours and therefore increased employment.

British government put forward zero hour contracts which assist big business in taking advantage of the poor man, giving them a labour market where they can pick and choose with abandon leaving the poorer man in limbo.

Any comment on this Weare?
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I will answer that.

If you think people are not pressured to work over 45hrs you are mistaken.

Why have the EU not banned minimum hours contracts?

Is is because a high proportion of people on zero hours contracts are migrants?

Is is because a high proportion of people on zero hours contracts are migrants?
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I am sure you will have some evidence to back up this claim?

Is it another of your feelings?

I will say again, the clown that was in the linen suit with Union Jack shoes, who wasn't even a part of the vote leave set up took it upon himself to produce posters of anti immigration messages (to put it mildly) and people listened to him, they believed him.

Why did he take it upon himself to do this? He's not an MP (though he would like to be) he had no mandate, did he do it out of caring for his fellow countryman?

If he did, he'd be at the forefront of trying to make sure the country gets a good deal out of Europe.

Oh but he resigned and said he wants to get back to his life.

Wonder what he did before he got into politics - working in a shoe factory? In a pub? Bus driver? Nooo it couldn't be the city and big business could it?

I will answer that.

If you think people are not pressured to work over 45hrs you are mistaken.

Why have the EU not banned minimum hours contracts?

Is is because a high proportion of people on zero hours contracts are migrants?

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You tried to answer that, but Weare should too. No need for you to jump to his "aid" especially with a load of crap that doesn't do him justice.

People are pressured to work longer than 45 hours? Maybe so, but they have the right to take the employer to a tribunal or point to the law in the first instance. It protects the working man. That's what the EU has given.

Why have the EU not banned minimum hours contracts - you mean zero hour contracts? How many people does it affect in the UK? It needs to be motioned in the European council/parliament first. Our elected representatives should be doing that - you know Farage. Wait! You mean Farage has not done this? I thought he was for the working man! Shock horror!
There is also the thing about sovereignty here, showing that the UK can actually make its own laws, even ones that crap all over the working man.

But dem immigrants though coming over here and taking all our zero hour contracts(!)

Like I said your reply on behalf of Weare does him a disservice.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 17 seconds ago
Is is because a high proportion of people on zero hours contracts are migrants?
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I am sure you will have some evidence to back up this claim?

Is it another of your feelings?
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This is common sense.

Look at the biggest employers of people on zero hours contracts, then go in to their premises

This is common sense.

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Coming from someone asking why the EU hasn't outlawed zero hour contracts

Why have the EU not banned minimum hours contracts - you mean zero hour contracts? How many people does it affect in the UK?

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Should read:
...people does it affect in the EU?

Another explosion in Iraq last night, 50 dead at the Sayed Muhammad shrine in Balad. Sigh..

I have had a zero hour contract myself in my youth. It is called being a temp.

Temps are necessary

Not all temps want to be temps, but lots do - students, those with another line of infrequent work, or those with young family commitments for example. It is hard to legislate against as it would hurt those that need it.

If you have a ready supply of cheap Labour, is it any surprise this type of arrangement has had a spike?

Is there a correlation between the jump and enlargement of the EU?

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/06/15/flexible-friends-why-employers-hire-eastern-european-migrants-in-order-to-grow/

From the LSE

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)

posted 6 minutes ago

I have had a zero hour contract myself in my youth. It is called being a temp.

Temps are necessary

Not all temps want to be temps, but lots do - students, those with another line of infrequent work, or those with young family commitments for example. It is hard to legislate against as it would hurt those that need it.

If you have a ready supply of cheap Labour, is it any surprise this type of arrangement has had a spike?

Is there a correlation between the jump and enlargement of the EU?
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The only one jumping, or rather flip-flopping is you.

You were given a striking example of the EU upholding the working mans rights, and of the British government shafting them.

First you point the finger at the EU asking why they haven't done anything about it.
Once you find that its a uniquely British issue (brought about by sovereignty), and if we want the EU to do something about it, the motion has to be brought before European legislature by our MEP (Farage et al) you change your tune and say, that zero hour contracts are necessary.

Big business love them, and yet earlier you were saying the rich get richer and bemoaning that the poor stay poor.

Which stance are you taking actually?

You ask why the EU hasn't outlawed them, and when its explained that it needs to be raised by the MEP's to be debated and ruled on, Farage et al, you then jump to saying that zero hour contracts are necessary.

comment by Better Call Zlatan - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)

posted 16 minutes ago

Another explosion in Iraq last night, 50 dead at the Sayed Muhammad shrine in Balad. Sigh..
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Sad, Blairs legacy. Off topic on this thread, but sad all the same.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 34 minutes ago
As a wealthy, privileged man who grew up in the countryside I am not sure you have a clue about what worries a resident of Boston may have about immigration, and whether it is justified.
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I did not grow up in the countryside and whilst my parents are wealthy, I worked for every penny I own. Every single day of my life.

On the contrary, due to the nature of my job I have worked in sht holes all over this planet and have seen first hand what corporate greed can do to the common man. Which is why I care more about my fellow man than right wingers like you.

That is why I am opposed to wars, opposed to the common man getting shafted and I am for education of my countrymen so they are not deceived into doing the bidding of the wealthy.

You realise that some of the most staunch leave votes came from areas with minimal to no immigration. That tells anyone with some intelligence that people have been fed a load of guff.

Same tactics Hitler used and it is working again.

End of the day, immigration has nothing to do with the mess the country is in. Until you right wingers wrap your simple minds around that and stop hating people whose crime is wanting a better life for themselves and their families, this country will never progress.
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Very well put but I doubt they'll ever get it sadly.

Lolz



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Always amuses me when people talk about the sovereignty thing;

It's a lot of ballacks but people think if they keep saying it, it will make it come true

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
Always amuses me when people talk about the sovereignty thing;

It's a lot of ballacks but people think if they keep saying it, it will make it come true
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I always assumed someone robbed their sovereign rings and they thought leaving the EU would mean they got them back.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)

posted 6 minutes ago

I have had a zero hour contract myself in my youth. It is called being a temp.

Temps are necessary

Not all temps want to be temps, but lots do - students, those with another line of infrequent work, or those with young family commitments for example. It is hard to legislate against as it would hurt those that need it.

If you have a ready supply of cheap Labour, is it any surprise this type of arrangement has had a spike?

Is there a correlation between the jump and enlargement of the EU?
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The only one jumping, or rather flip-flopping is you.

You were given a striking example of the EU upholding the working mans rights, and of the British government shafting them.

First you point the finger at the EU asking why they haven't done anything about it.
Once you find that its a uniquely British issue (brought about by sovereignty), and if we want the EU to do something about it, the motion has to be brought before European legislature by our MEP (Farage et al) you change your tune and say, that zero hour contracts are necessary.

Big business love them, and yet earlier you were saying the rich get richer and bemoaning that the poor stay poor.

Which stance are you taking actually?

You ask why the EU hasn't outlawed them, and when its explained that it needs to be raised by the MEP's to be debated and ruled on, Farage et al, you then jump to saying that zero hour contracts are necessary.

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You raised the issue of zero hour contracts initially, I just questioned why the EU have not banned them the. You appear to think they are the root of all evil and the EU are the only ones who can save us from anything.

The truth is they have always been there, and some people actively like the arrangement if they have unreliable times/spells they can work.

Not all people do like the arrangement though, so it should be hard for big business to use this en masse.

But they can. Because they have a steady flow of unskilled workers who will work under these conditions, which in turn creates more of this type of job, rather than them employing staff on a proper contract.

Supply and demand.

If there was an enforcable limit on migration (not a block as everyone assumes all Brexit voters want) and unskilled migration was capped, you would probably find the number of zero hours contracts would drop too as a direct consequence.

A higher minimum wage

The 15% corporate tax rate only applicable to those who paid a weighted living wage.

Then we may start to get somewhere

More absolute rubbish from HRH King Ledley.

You were purporting that the EU made the divide between rich and poor greater, I actually highlighted how zero hour contracts from UK statute differed from the EU working time directive actually caring for the working man.

As for your comment, "Not all people do like the arrangement though, so it should be hard for big business to use this en masse.

But they can. Because they have a steady flow of unskilled workers who will work under these conditions, which in turn creates more of this type of job, rather than them employing staff on a proper contract."

Big business can, because a sovereign act of British Parliament brought the bill into being.

So which is it Ledley.. do you want the EU to rule against zero hour contracts that increase the gulf between rich and poor, or not?

Straight yes/no answer.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
More absolute rubbish from HRH King Ledley.

You were purporting that the EU made the divide between rich and poor greater, I actually highlighted how zero hour contracts from UK statute differed from the EU working time directive actually caring for the working man.

As for your comment, "Not all people do like the arrangement though, so it should be hard for big business to use this en masse.

But they can. Because they have a steady flow of unskilled workers who will work under these conditions, which in turn creates more of this type of job, rather than them employing staff on a proper contract."

Big business can, because a sovereign act of British Parliament brought the bill into being.

So which is it Ledley.. do you want the EU to rule against zero hour contracts that increase the gulf between rich and poor, or not?

Straight yes/no answer.
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I never said I wanted them to you moron. I just asked why your beloved EU hadnt, as the line you take is they are so bad.

Zero hour contracts are not the root of all evil, calling on temps is essential to firms when sickness happens, and the flexibility is key for some workers.

The problem is they are being used in lieu of permanent jobs. This is because there is a steady stream of people willing to take them.

Did you read that LSE article? Hardly the ranting of rabid rightwingers

I never said I wanted them to you moron. I just asked why your beloved EU hadnt, as the line you take is they are so bad.
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I'm confused, you want the Eu to wade in on our SOVEREIGNTY

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 seconds ago
I never said I wanted them to you moron. I just asked why your beloved EU hadnt, as the line you take is they are so bad.
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I'm confused, you want the Eu to wade in on our SOVEREIGNTY
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No, I do not

I never said they should, because I do not believe they are inherently bad things.

They have become so because of circumstance

I have no issues with zero hour contracts for those that want them.

What I am against is people being forced into them because there are no alternatives

Corporations obviously stand to gain the most from them, so there needs to be some regulation.

This is within the provenance of our parliament. It is not an EU issue

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no issues with zero hour contracts for those that want them.

What I am against is people being forced into them because there are no alternatives
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Did you read the article?