Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
As a matter of fact, if the country is struggling financially. Encouraging people to come here and spend their money will help.
Trust me, posters on here wind me up way more than they wind you up because even in the face of facts, they stick to uninformed opinion.
There is no plan for Brexit and people have voted to fk their country over and the Brexiteers have all disappeared.
Sad state of affairs
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 31 seconds ago
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? You do understand fiscal policy?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
------------
For the record, immigration thus far has provided a net benefit to the UK.
The impact has been between 0.5 - 1% of GDP.. in layperson terms that's at least £10bn
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
---------
Immigrants also need :
Houses to rent
Things to put into the houses
Cars
Fuel to put into cars
Food to eat
Entertainment
Most have jobs to pay for those, so they earn, pay taxes and spend money in the UK.
Unfortunately the myopic among us only look at the drain on the economy and not the cash injection and their push on the circular flow of money.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 31 seconds ago
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? You do understand fiscal policy?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why I said people are uninformed about immigration.
The biggest strain on public services and the public purse as well as the NHS is pensioners.
Immigrants do not need public housing, they rent. So that talking point is pointless, they need schools and go to hospitals when they are sick.
They pay taxes and make NI contributions. What has the govt done with their money?
I know, give corporations tax breaks and bomb brown people in the ME
The biggest strain on public services and the public purse as well as the NHS is pensioners
-------
100% correct
The population of the U.K. is an aging one. People are living in retirement longer, older.
That means pensions to pay. 16% of the UK's population is retired.
Immigration is needed to have more people of working age in the UK and bring this % down.
People just keep rolling out this guff and expect people to not question it.
The failures of the public services, housing, schools, NHS are all down to UK govt. Nothing to do with immigrants.
I always ask, how can 12% of the population be responsible for all of its problems?
How does that make any sense?
I know, give corporations tax breaks and bomb brown people in the ME
---------
Always. Comes down to the same thing. Pointing at immigration while big business make merry with OUR cash.
Farage has done his jester role (reminds me of Homer Simpson when he was a mascot for the baseball team, everyone went to see him rather than the team)
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 31 seconds ago
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? You do understand fiscal policy?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why I said people are uninformed about immigration.
The biggest strain on public services and the public purse as well as the NHS is pensioners.
Immigrants do not need public housing, they rent. So that talking point is pointless, they need schools and go to hospitals when they are sick.
They pay taxes and make NI contributions. What has the govt done with their money?
I know, give corporations tax breaks and bomb brown people in the ME
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely they pay taxes and NI contributions. And that always lags the money needed to improve services which is immediate. And in fact it takes 10 years to ramp up services like I said previously, train doctors, nurses and teachers, build more houses to accommodate the increase in population. In the meantime you get massive demand, a lack of supply and huge rises house prices and rents as well as pressure on health care and schools. Thats if you plan for it and allocate extra money money for it immediately. In austerity you are CUTTING services and money. Its happening across all of Europe and that priick Osborne is the biggest perpetrator.
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
This is why the 'remain vote' would have won if the EU leaders had given Cameron a suspension of 3/4 years from free movement of people while the Eurozone had strengthened and there were some signs of recovery. But no it needs a crisis before the EU can reform on anything. And by the way a brain and labour drain from these countries is no good for them either. Just ask the Latvians and the problems their economy is having without young people.
The immigration and strain on housing thing is way way over played.
91% of social housing goes to UK born people.
The 9% left is not given to those arriving fresh into the country, rather those been here for a while and going through the registering process
Say it again 91% to UK born
Ironically chartered institute of building says cap on immigration will negatively affect house building as British born people aren't trained or don't have interest in construction and immigrants have filled the gap
It isnt social housing, it is housing full stop.
If you cannot build enough properties a year to meet the demand of people arriving, something has to give.
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 minutes ago
It isnt social housing, it is housing full stop.
If you cannot build enough properties a year to meet the demand of people arriving, something has to give.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There isn't a shortage of housing, only social housing
Immigrants new to the country move into private rented housing and that is plentiful, always has been. Main reason due to a few owning many houses. These few are Brits making money at the expense of other Brits.
Look around in any city and see the empty houses and tell me there is a shortage
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
20 years in local govt and I can tell you for certain that our schools and hospitals have been failed by PCTs etc skimming money and shortchanging us and then conveniently letting immigrants take the blame.
15 - 20 years ago the closure of old school buildings and replacing 4 schools with 1 new one is the issue. An issue which successive govts were continuously warned about and ignored
Govt sells off assets to raise money and happily allows immigrants to be the focus of blame
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you plan for what you cannot control?
Only nasty old Xenophobes predicted huge numbers of Poles would come (600k I believe). The powers that be never foresaw it. Allegedly.
There was no plan, because it was either incompetence, or deliberate ignorance. To make a plan would be to either know, or to give the game away that you do know when you are pretending not to.
If we are to have 300k people arriving every year, fair enough. But let that be a quota, that has to be fully planned for prior to it. Not anyone's guess
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you plan for what you cannot control?
Only nasty old Xenophobes predicted huge numbers of Poles would come (600k I believe). The powers that be never foresaw it. Allegedly.
There was no plan, because it was either incompetence, or deliberate ignorance. To make a plan would be to either know, or to give the game away that you do know when you are pretending not to.
If we are to have 300k people arriving every year, fair enough. But let that be a quota, that has to be fully planned for prior to it. Not anyone's guess
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Govts signed on to free movement and likes of garage etc dramatically over stated potential entry figures and nothing was planned or adjusted to cope
Gross mismanagement and policy failure no?
conveniently letting immigrants take the blame.
-----------------
they're an easy visible target.
I'm actually looking forward, and dreading in equal measure, just what the headline believing public will be led to believe next.
^ or more precisely, be led to blame next..
Can't believe this is still going!?
Is there anybody other than the small minority of far right Leave voters who are actually against immigration? Do people really believe that a majority of people who voted Leave want the door completely shut? I really hate this assumption.
Arguing the pros and cons of immigration is completely irrelevant. It's arguing the pro's and cons of Freedom of Movement, which needs to be addressed- Freedom of movement does not define immigration.
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can't believe this is still going!?
Is there anybody other than the small minority of far right Leave voters who are actually against immigration? Do people really believe that a majority of people who voted Leave want the door completely shut? I really hate this assumption.
Arguing the pros and cons of immigration is completely irrelevant. It's arguing the pro's and cons of Freedom of Movement, which needs to be addressed- Freedom of movement does not define immigration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Nail
Meet Head
What many drumming to the beat of limited immigration fail to realise is that their "controlled migration of skilled workers" is ultimately flawed in achieving only the acceptance of migrant workers who we "want" to have from the world over.
Here's why.. take for example a nuclear physicist. Yes we are building new power plants, and we will need some of these scientists say 10 out of 100 are from outside the UK.
We are out of the EU so we can't employ anyone conveniently as we might have done. However we have the whole world to choose from, great.
Nuclear physicist from France - £70k a year. Same from India £45k a year... hmm £45k a year will get the gig.
Nuclear physicist from France, could easily travel back and forth weekly. From India - not so easy.
What happens?
Dependents and spouse come over. So for each skilled person from outside the EU, the propensity for dependents to come with them is increased - kids, possibly aged parents, along with the spouse too.
Like I said, I look forward, and dread, in equal measure, just who will be blamed next.
Picking and choosing who we want in the country is not as easy as picking teams for a kickabout in the park.
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 9 minutes ago
Can't believe this is still going!?
Is there anybody other than the small minority of far right Leave voters who are actually against immigration? Do people really believe that a majority of people who voted Leave want the door completely shut? I really hate this assumption.
Arguing the pros and cons of immigration is completely irrelevant. It's arguing the pro's and cons of Freedom of Movement, which needs to be addressed- Freedom of movement does not define immigration.
..........................
I do think that some of these sad s on here need to get over the fact that they backed the losing side.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
------------
For the record, immigration thus far has provided a net benefit to the UK.
The impact has been between 0.5 - 1% of GDP.. in layperson terms that's at least £10bn
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The highest proportion of our immigration in recent years has come from China. The 3rd highest India, the 4th highest Australia and the 6th highest America.
The overall benefit of immigration should not decrease in anyway due to Brexit, as our biggest migrant contributors are not from EU countries. They're from countries who already have to adhere to a similar style system that Leave voters believe should apply to EU citizens.
In fact, you could argue that the overall contribution of Immigration should IMPROVE now that we have left the EU, as we will have more control over who we allow in. EU countries provide a higher number of people migrating to the UK without a definite job or study than the entire ROTW combined. This is uncontrollable under Freedom of Movement.
Again, immigration as a whole isn't the issue. Its uncontrollable immigration which is the issue. As David Cameron said in 2015 "If you have uncontrolled immigration, you have uncontrolled pressure on public services"
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posted on 8/7/16
Tomatoes
posted on 8/7/16
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
posted on 8/7/16
As a matter of fact, if the country is struggling financially. Encouraging people to come here and spend their money will help.
Trust me, posters on here wind me up way more than they wind you up because even in the face of facts, they stick to uninformed opinion.
There is no plan for Brexit and people have voted to fk their country over and the Brexiteers have all disappeared.
Sad state of affairs
posted on 8/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 31 seconds ago
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? You do understand fiscal policy?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
posted on 8/7/16
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
------------
For the record, immigration thus far has provided a net benefit to the UK.
The impact has been between 0.5 - 1% of GDP.. in layperson terms that's at least £10bn
posted on 8/7/16
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
---------
Immigrants also need :
Houses to rent
Things to put into the houses
Cars
Fuel to put into cars
Food to eat
Entertainment
Most have jobs to pay for those, so they earn, pay taxes and spend money in the UK.
Unfortunately the myopic among us only look at the drain on the economy and not the cash injection and their push on the circular flow of money.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 31 seconds ago
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? You do understand fiscal policy?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why I said people are uninformed about immigration.
The biggest strain on public services and the public purse as well as the NHS is pensioners.
Immigrants do not need public housing, they rent. So that talking point is pointless, they need schools and go to hospitals when they are sick.
They pay taxes and make NI contributions. What has the govt done with their money?
I know, give corporations tax breaks and bomb brown people in the ME
posted on 8/7/16
The biggest strain on public services and the public purse as well as the NHS is pensioners
-------
100% correct
The population of the U.K. is an aging one. People are living in retirement longer, older.
That means pensions to pay. 16% of the UK's population is retired.
Immigration is needed to have more people of working age in the UK and bring this % down.
posted on 8/7/16
People just keep rolling out this guff and expect people to not question it.
The failures of the public services, housing, schools, NHS are all down to UK govt. Nothing to do with immigrants.
I always ask, how can 12% of the population be responsible for all of its problems?
How does that make any sense?
posted on 8/7/16
I know, give corporations tax breaks and bomb brown people in the ME
---------
Always. Comes down to the same thing. Pointing at immigration while big business make merry with OUR cash.
Farage has done his jester role (reminds me of Homer Simpson when he was a mascot for the baseball team, everyone went to see him rather than the team)
posted on 8/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 31 seconds ago
Oh, I know about the issues in Italy. I am half italian. We did not decide to chuck our toys out of the pram.
Austerity has fk all to do with immigration. Immigration is an issue, I agree. A lot of people are uninformed about it.
That is the biggest issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? You do understand fiscal policy?
Uncontrolled immigration puts pressure on services. Improvement in services have to be paid for. Where do you think the money comes for that?
So immigrants don't need housing? Don't need schools? Immigrants don't visit the doctor or go to a hospital when they are sick?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why I said people are uninformed about immigration.
The biggest strain on public services and the public purse as well as the NHS is pensioners.
Immigrants do not need public housing, they rent. So that talking point is pointless, they need schools and go to hospitals when they are sick.
They pay taxes and make NI contributions. What has the govt done with their money?
I know, give corporations tax breaks and bomb brown people in the ME
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely they pay taxes and NI contributions. And that always lags the money needed to improve services which is immediate. And in fact it takes 10 years to ramp up services like I said previously, train doctors, nurses and teachers, build more houses to accommodate the increase in population. In the meantime you get massive demand, a lack of supply and huge rises house prices and rents as well as pressure on health care and schools. Thats if you plan for it and allocate extra money money for it immediately. In austerity you are CUTTING services and money. Its happening across all of Europe and that priick Osborne is the biggest perpetrator.
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
This is why the 'remain vote' would have won if the EU leaders had given Cameron a suspension of 3/4 years from free movement of people while the Eurozone had strengthened and there were some signs of recovery. But no it needs a crisis before the EU can reform on anything. And by the way a brain and labour drain from these countries is no good for them either. Just ask the Latvians and the problems their economy is having without young people.
posted on 8/7/16
The immigration and strain on housing thing is way way over played.
91% of social housing goes to UK born people.
The 9% left is not given to those arriving fresh into the country, rather those been here for a while and going through the registering process
Say it again 91% to UK born
Ironically chartered institute of building says cap on immigration will negatively affect house building as British born people aren't trained or don't have interest in construction and immigrants have filled the gap
posted on 8/7/16
It isnt social housing, it is housing full stop.
If you cannot build enough properties a year to meet the demand of people arriving, something has to give.
posted on 8/7/16
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 minutes ago
It isnt social housing, it is housing full stop.
If you cannot build enough properties a year to meet the demand of people arriving, something has to give.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There isn't a shortage of housing, only social housing
Immigrants new to the country move into private rented housing and that is plentiful, always has been. Main reason due to a few owning many houses. These few are Brits making money at the expense of other Brits.
Look around in any city and see the empty houses and tell me there is a shortage
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
20 years in local govt and I can tell you for certain that our schools and hospitals have been failed by PCTs etc skimming money and shortchanging us and then conveniently letting immigrants take the blame.
15 - 20 years ago the closure of old school buildings and replacing 4 schools with 1 new one is the issue. An issue which successive govts were continuously warned about and ignored
Govt sells off assets to raise money and happily allows immigrants to be the focus of blame
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you plan for what you cannot control?
Only nasty old Xenophobes predicted huge numbers of Poles would come (600k I believe). The powers that be never foresaw it. Allegedly.
There was no plan, because it was either incompetence, or deliberate ignorance. To make a plan would be to either know, or to give the game away that you do know when you are pretending not to.
If we are to have 300k people arriving every year, fair enough. But let that be a quota, that has to be fully planned for prior to it. Not anyone's guess
posted on 8/7/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Immigration is always a NET good for the country. Its always good in the long term. However uncontrolled immigration makes it impossible to plan for anything. And that is what was happening in the EU because of the problems in the Eurozone.
-------------
You seem to not be considering the fact that the freedom of movement across Europe has been the case for 20 years.
It's not a recent phenomenon of the last couple of years.
Services should already have been aligned by successive governments to cater for that growth in population.
It's the failure by British government to plan that makes it easy to then point the finger at the EU or immigrants.
Fact is we like the freedom of movement when it suits us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you plan for what you cannot control?
Only nasty old Xenophobes predicted huge numbers of Poles would come (600k I believe). The powers that be never foresaw it. Allegedly.
There was no plan, because it was either incompetence, or deliberate ignorance. To make a plan would be to either know, or to give the game away that you do know when you are pretending not to.
If we are to have 300k people arriving every year, fair enough. But let that be a quota, that has to be fully planned for prior to it. Not anyone's guess
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Govts signed on to free movement and likes of garage etc dramatically over stated potential entry figures and nothing was planned or adjusted to cope
Gross mismanagement and policy failure no?
posted on 8/7/16
conveniently letting immigrants take the blame.
-----------------
they're an easy visible target.
I'm actually looking forward, and dreading in equal measure, just what the headline believing public will be led to believe next.
posted on 8/7/16
^ or more precisely, be led to blame next..
posted on 8/7/16
Can't believe this is still going!?
Is there anybody other than the small minority of far right Leave voters who are actually against immigration? Do people really believe that a majority of people who voted Leave want the door completely shut? I really hate this assumption.
Arguing the pros and cons of immigration is completely irrelevant. It's arguing the pro's and cons of Freedom of Movement, which needs to be addressed- Freedom of movement does not define immigration.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can't believe this is still going!?
Is there anybody other than the small minority of far right Leave voters who are actually against immigration? Do people really believe that a majority of people who voted Leave want the door completely shut? I really hate this assumption.
Arguing the pros and cons of immigration is completely irrelevant. It's arguing the pro's and cons of Freedom of Movement, which needs to be addressed- Freedom of movement does not define immigration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Nail
Meet Head
posted on 8/7/16
What many drumming to the beat of limited immigration fail to realise is that their "controlled migration of skilled workers" is ultimately flawed in achieving only the acceptance of migrant workers who we "want" to have from the world over.
Here's why.. take for example a nuclear physicist. Yes we are building new power plants, and we will need some of these scientists say 10 out of 100 are from outside the UK.
We are out of the EU so we can't employ anyone conveniently as we might have done. However we have the whole world to choose from, great.
Nuclear physicist from France - £70k a year. Same from India £45k a year... hmm £45k a year will get the gig.
Nuclear physicist from France, could easily travel back and forth weekly. From India - not so easy.
What happens?
Dependents and spouse come over. So for each skilled person from outside the EU, the propensity for dependents to come with them is increased - kids, possibly aged parents, along with the spouse too.
Like I said, I look forward, and dread, in equal measure, just who will be blamed next.
Picking and choosing who we want in the country is not as easy as picking teams for a kickabout in the park.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 9 minutes ago
Can't believe this is still going!?
Is there anybody other than the small minority of far right Leave voters who are actually against immigration? Do people really believe that a majority of people who voted Leave want the door completely shut? I really hate this assumption.
Arguing the pros and cons of immigration is completely irrelevant. It's arguing the pro's and cons of Freedom of Movement, which needs to be addressed- Freedom of movement does not define immigration.
..........................
I do think that some of these sad s on here need to get over the fact that they backed the losing side.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
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For the record, immigration thus far has provided a net benefit to the UK.
The impact has been between 0.5 - 1% of GDP.. in layperson terms that's at least £10bn
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The highest proportion of our immigration in recent years has come from China. The 3rd highest India, the 4th highest Australia and the 6th highest America.
The overall benefit of immigration should not decrease in anyway due to Brexit, as our biggest migrant contributors are not from EU countries. They're from countries who already have to adhere to a similar style system that Leave voters believe should apply to EU citizens.
In fact, you could argue that the overall contribution of Immigration should IMPROVE now that we have left the EU, as we will have more control over who we allow in. EU countries provide a higher number of people migrating to the UK without a definite job or study than the entire ROTW combined. This is uncontrollable under Freedom of Movement.
Again, immigration as a whole isn't the issue. Its uncontrollable immigration which is the issue. As David Cameron said in 2015 "If you have uncontrolled immigration, you have uncontrolled pressure on public services"
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