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It’s becoming increasing clear the Government realise it will be impossible getting EU27 to ratify the terms that the UK are looking for.
I understand the government yesterday accepted jurisdiction of the CJEU - post Brexit. Which is the clearest sign yet they are focussing on a ‘soft’ Brexit behind the scenes, while presenting a more hardline façade in public.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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Problem with the bordersa rgument is that free movement of people is what the EU demands
look at teh swiss who voted to restrict it and they have a timescale to sort it out ie do away with the result or the guillotine effect comes in. They already got punished by being removed from the science events
free movement of people isnt going anywhere imo
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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A common misconception is that (trade) negotiations will commence when A50 is invoked. They won’t, and more importantly can’t. A50 exclusively relates to terminating existing EU legislation.
Furthermore if (as per the govs acceptance yesterday) of the CJEU, independent trade deals now may not even be possible.
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t’s becoming increasing clear the Government realise it will be impossible getting EU27 to ratify the terms that the UK are looking for.
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This was clear even before the UK decided to have a referendum, nevermind Brexit.
How many times has Cameron tried to negotiate a "better deal" for the UK and failed?
Why did they think it'd different now?
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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Problem with the bordersa rgument is that free movement of people is what the EU demands
look at teh swiss who voted to restrict it and they have a timescale to sort it out ie do away with the result or the guillotine effect comes in. They already got punished by being removed from the science events
free movement of people isnt going anywhere imo
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No compromise will be bad for both parties that is why I think there will be a deal.
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It will inevitably come down to who needs who the most and i think we will lose that one
The problem is that by allowing us to have some leeway or compromise may effect the chuntering in france etc so I can see a firm stance for the Eu ''greater good''
FUBAR methinks tbh
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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A common misconception is that (trade) negotiations will commence when A50 is invoked. They won’t, and more importantly can’t. A50 exclusively relates to terminating existing EU legislation.
Furthermore if (as per the govs acceptance yesterday) of the CJEU, independent trade deals now may not even be possible.
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Is that because the nations we want to trade with don't adhere to CJEU policy?
It’s also worth noting that the Great Repel bill (enshrining all existing legislation into UK law) alone will take many years to sort.
Think of it. All EU rules and legislation will be enshrined into British law.
Decades of constitutional legislature and instruments to draft through, regulate, ratify (via both houses), re-amend etc. This is going to be just as complex and exhaustive as leaving the EU.
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Coutinho's Happy Feet
All members of the customs union have to accept the authority of the CJEU.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’s also worth noting that the Great Repel bill (enshrining all existing legislation into UK law) alone will take many years to sort.
Think of it. All EU rules and legislation will be enshrined into British law.
Decades of constitutional legislature and instruments to draft through, regulate, ratify (via both houses), re-amend etc. This is going to be just as complex and exhaustive as leaving the EU.
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Meh, print off a new cover, cross out a few words here and there and go through with a highlighter pen. An afternoon's work, at most.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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Problem with the bordersa rgument is that free movement of people is what the EU demands
look at teh swiss who voted to restrict it and they have a timescale to sort it out ie do away with the result or the guillotine effect comes in. They already got punished by being removed from the science events
free movement of people isnt going anywhere imo
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No compromise will be bad for both parties that is why I think there will be a deal.
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It will inevitably come down to who needs who the most and i think we will lose that one
The problem is that by allowing us to have some leeway or compromise may effect the chuntering in france etc so I can see a firm stance for the Eu ''greater good''
FUBAR methinks tbh
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Many individual countries in the EU have a trade surplus with us so I won't write off the chance of a deal.
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For the UK there HAS to be a deal in regard to A50.
If by the end of negotiations the UK has not completed severance, all EU treaties become null and void. The UK will then re-apply to the WTO as a non-EU member. Which will not happen overnight.
Which is why I think the gov will try to broker some kind of transitional deal. There is 43 years of EU statute to untangle. Which is why two years is not in any way long enough time to complete.
"The pound rose in value this morning after David Davis’s comment about the government considering paying the EU after leaving for access to the single market"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/dec/01/labour-condemns-may-for-floating-plan-to-make-schools-deprioritise-illegal-migrant-pupils-politics-live
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
"The pound rose in value this morning after David Davis’s comment about the government considering paying the EU after leaving for access to the single market"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/dec/01/labour-condemns-may-for-floating-plan-to-make-schools-deprioritise-illegal-migrant-pupils-politics-live
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Unfortunately Davis (in fact take your pick throughout the Tories) are just as likely to make further statements to the contrary!!
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Did anyone see Question Time last night?
Was a shocker. I’m all for honest debate and opposing views being challenged but there were so many inaccurate, and misleading comments that went unchallenged last night.
The tone of the debate was, however, the most disturbing aspect. “Immigration” has (on last night’s showing) become demonised with no context whatsoever.
Immigration, whether it be refugees, migrants, students, asylum seekers, economic immigrants, have been pigeonholed under the umbrella of immigrants, with little perspective.
Most of the audience looked as if they had been conditioned into believing leaving the EU is going to help the Home Office reduce the amount of foreigners entering the UK.
I like the lady who said, "I'm fed up with being told I'm not educated because of the way I voted", only to follow it up swiftly with "I'm not educated".
And just to be clear, unlike my wife, I do not think everyone who voted leave is stupid and a racist. I realise it is just a coincidence in some of the more vocal elements.
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Sizzle
Unfortunately there are millions of people however who think that leaving the EU will result in less ‘foreigners’ entering the UK.
The teacher last night. Will leaving the EU mean that parents in the school’s playground will start to learn/speak English, or heal divisions. IMO it is the responsibility of local governments and communities. Not the EU to integrate people into the UK.
And as long as UK businessess and companies need foreign skilled, and non-skilled workers, the demand will remain. Whether the UK is an EU member or not.
WWSPD
I saw that last night. I was absolutely astounded if I'm honest.
You had people who voted leave complaining about being pigeonholed as uneducated etc who then applauded the minute the Leave fella on the panel started saying "I'm fed up of remoaners......". Oh the irony.
Oh and if that Primary School Teacher was at my lad's school I'd be down there this morning having a word with the headteacher.
I watched it but nobody came across like they were demonising immigrants, apart from one guy maybe but even then he had some valid points.
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It’s becoming increasing clear the Government realise it will be impossible getting EU27 to ratify the terms that the UK are looking for.
I understand the government yesterday accepted jurisdiction of the CJEU - post Brexit. Which is the clearest sign yet they are focussing on a ‘soft’ Brexit behind the scenes, while presenting a more hardline façade in public.
posted on 1/12/16
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posted on 1/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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Problem with the bordersa rgument is that free movement of people is what the EU demands
look at teh swiss who voted to restrict it and they have a timescale to sort it out ie do away with the result or the guillotine effect comes in. They already got punished by being removed from the science events
free movement of people isnt going anywhere imo
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A common misconception is that (trade) negotiations will commence when A50 is invoked. They won’t, and more importantly can’t. A50 exclusively relates to terminating existing EU legislation.
Furthermore if (as per the govs acceptance yesterday) of the CJEU, independent trade deals now may not even be possible.
posted on 1/12/16
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posted on 1/12/16
t’s becoming increasing clear the Government realise it will be impossible getting EU27 to ratify the terms that the UK are looking for.
===========
This was clear even before the UK decided to have a referendum, nevermind Brexit.
How many times has Cameron tried to negotiate a "better deal" for the UK and failed?
Why did they think it'd different now?
posted on 1/12/16
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posted on 1/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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Problem with the bordersa rgument is that free movement of people is what the EU demands
look at teh swiss who voted to restrict it and they have a timescale to sort it out ie do away with the result or the guillotine effect comes in. They already got punished by being removed from the science events
free movement of people isnt going anywhere imo
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No compromise will be bad for both parties that is why I think there will be a deal.
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It will inevitably come down to who needs who the most and i think we will lose that one
The problem is that by allowing us to have some leeway or compromise may effect the chuntering in france etc so I can see a firm stance for the Eu ''greater good''
FUBAR methinks tbh
posted on 1/12/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A common misconception is that (trade) negotiations will commence when A50 is invoked. They won’t, and more importantly can’t. A50 exclusively relates to terminating existing EU legislation.
Furthermore if (as per the govs acceptance yesterday) of the CJEU, independent trade deals now may not even be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that because the nations we want to trade with don't adhere to CJEU policy?
posted on 1/12/16
It’s also worth noting that the Great Repel bill (enshrining all existing legislation into UK law) alone will take many years to sort.
Think of it. All EU rules and legislation will be enshrined into British law.
Decades of constitutional legislature and instruments to draft through, regulate, ratify (via both houses), re-amend etc. This is going to be just as complex and exhaustive as leaving the EU.
posted on 1/12/16
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posted on 1/12/16
Coutinho's Happy Feet
All members of the customs union have to accept the authority of the CJEU.
posted on 1/12/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’s also worth noting that the Great Repel bill (enshrining all existing legislation into UK law) alone will take many years to sort.
Think of it. All EU rules and legislation will be enshrined into British law.
Decades of constitutional legislature and instruments to draft through, regulate, ratify (via both houses), re-amend etc. This is going to be just as complex and exhaustive as leaving the EU.
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Meh, print off a new cover, cross out a few words here and there and go through with a highlighter pen. An afternoon's work, at most.
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
What I think they are looking for his the best possible trade deal. But also keeping powers over their borders. I know you will say this isn't possible but that is what the negotiations will be about.
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Problem with the bordersa rgument is that free movement of people is what the EU demands
look at teh swiss who voted to restrict it and they have a timescale to sort it out ie do away with the result or the guillotine effect comes in. They already got punished by being removed from the science events
free movement of people isnt going anywhere imo
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No compromise will be bad for both parties that is why I think there will be a deal.
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It will inevitably come down to who needs who the most and i think we will lose that one
The problem is that by allowing us to have some leeway or compromise may effect the chuntering in france etc so I can see a firm stance for the Eu ''greater good''
FUBAR methinks tbh
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Many individual countries in the EU have a trade surplus with us so I won't write off the chance of a deal.
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For the UK there HAS to be a deal in regard to A50.
If by the end of negotiations the UK has not completed severance, all EU treaties become null and void. The UK will then re-apply to the WTO as a non-EU member. Which will not happen overnight.
Which is why I think the gov will try to broker some kind of transitional deal. There is 43 years of EU statute to untangle. Which is why two years is not in any way long enough time to complete.
posted on 1/12/16
"The pound rose in value this morning after David Davis’s comment about the government considering paying the EU after leaving for access to the single market"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/dec/01/labour-condemns-may-for-floating-plan-to-make-schools-deprioritise-illegal-migrant-pupils-politics-live
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
"The pound rose in value this morning after David Davis’s comment about the government considering paying the EU after leaving for access to the single market"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/dec/01/labour-condemns-may-for-floating-plan-to-make-schools-deprioritise-illegal-migrant-pupils-politics-live
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Unfortunately Davis (in fact take your pick throughout the Tories) are just as likely to make further statements to the contrary!!
posted on 2/12/16
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posted on 2/12/16
Did anyone see Question Time last night?
Was a shocker. I’m all for honest debate and opposing views being challenged but there were so many inaccurate, and misleading comments that went unchallenged last night.
The tone of the debate was, however, the most disturbing aspect. “Immigration” has (on last night’s showing) become demonised with no context whatsoever.
Immigration, whether it be refugees, migrants, students, asylum seekers, economic immigrants, have been pigeonholed under the umbrella of immigrants, with little perspective.
Most of the audience looked as if they had been conditioned into believing leaving the EU is going to help the Home Office reduce the amount of foreigners entering the UK.
posted on 2/12/16
I like the lady who said, "I'm fed up with being told I'm not educated because of the way I voted", only to follow it up swiftly with "I'm not educated".
And just to be clear, unlike my wife, I do not think everyone who voted leave is stupid and a racist. I realise it is just a coincidence in some of the more vocal elements.
posted on 2/12/16
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posted on 2/12/16
Sizzle
Unfortunately there are millions of people however who think that leaving the EU will result in less ‘foreigners’ entering the UK.
The teacher last night. Will leaving the EU mean that parents in the school’s playground will start to learn/speak English, or heal divisions. IMO it is the responsibility of local governments and communities. Not the EU to integrate people into the UK.
And as long as UK businessess and companies need foreign skilled, and non-skilled workers, the demand will remain. Whether the UK is an EU member or not.
posted on 2/12/16
WWSPD
I saw that last night. I was absolutely astounded if I'm honest.
You had people who voted leave complaining about being pigeonholed as uneducated etc who then applauded the minute the Leave fella on the panel started saying "I'm fed up of remoaners......". Oh the irony.
Oh and if that Primary School Teacher was at my lad's school I'd be down there this morning having a word with the headteacher.
posted on 2/12/16
I watched it but nobody came across like they were demonising immigrants, apart from one guy maybe but even then he had some valid points.
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