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Cal Neva

Whilst I don’t confess to be an expert, are there EU countries that exclusively have ID cards for foreigners – i.e. not national identity cards?

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 minutes ago
ID cards are not fascist. Lots of countries including some European have them.

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You've obviously not taken the context of what's been said and look like a prat.

ID cards for all people is not discriminatory.
ID cards for only some people is discriminatory.

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Don't get so precious because you didn't read it properly and were pulled up on it.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 40 seconds ago
ID cards only become a state problem when those in authority abuse the system. I don't believe that would happen in this country.
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It does rather worry me that we're going to emerge from the next couple of years, out of Europe, yes, but with a life-term president or some other similar huge constitutional change waved through by a dozing public ironically shouting "democracy".

There is no way the EU is a fascist union as it was formed to ensure the fascism that rose from ardent nationalism was never repeated.

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It's inception and intention has no bearing on what it represents in 2016. That's foolish logic - no offence.

Fascism has many definitions but they can all be grouped under 'total power for the state / governing body' - how anyone can disassociate that from the EU is beyond reasoning with.

Mussolini himself said that fascism should be called Corporatism because it's a merger of state and corporate power - how anyone can disassociate that from the EU is beyond reasoning with.

Ireland was ignored and Greece was squashed by the European Union - Some of the biggest examples of state/governement power at the expense of people since WW2 - you couldn't get any more fascist.

Brexit won because people cried out for democracy - the polar opposite of fascism.

The EU is run by unelected officials - with a leader who can bypass the will of a nation with a nod of the head.

There's a bunch of you on here who posted smileys when I suggested that the EU is a fascist union when all the evidence backs me up.

Think before you type gentlemen.

HenrysCat

I assume you were referring to the Supreme Court case ‘antics’ from yesterday? Some of the comments – especially by politicians were embarrassing.

When asked about the Court’s involvement, IDS said it was “none of their business” The SC, deliberating on the UK constitution, was in his view, none of the Judge’s business

Ireland was ignored and Greece was squashed by the European Union - Some of the biggest examples of state/governement power at the expense of people since WW2 - you couldn't get any more fascist.

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ah yes Greece, always used as an example of why the EU is a failure.

Does it not occur to you that gross mismanagement by the Greek government with regard to their public finances was a reason that Greece had this problem?

The greek government wanted to join the Euro, but really were not in a position to do so, but they did anyway.

It is disingenuous to put all of Greece's problems at the door of the EU.

"Fascism has many definitions but they can all be grouped under 'total power for the state / governing body' - how anyone can disassociate that from the EU is beyond reasoning with."

Well, I will declare myself beyond reasoning with and you needn't stay on my account.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
HenrysCat

I assume you were referring to the Supreme Court case ‘antics’ from yesterday? Some of the comments – especially by politicians were embarrassing.

When asked about the Court’s involvement, IDS said it was “none of their business” The SC, deliberating on the UK constitution, was in his view, none of the Judge’s business

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Yeah, that and the general attitude of the May and her cohorts.

Metro

Not sure where to begin to be honest.

The EU has a similar legislative constitution as the UK. You appear to be ignorant to this. In fact, an individual in the UK can receive a peerage to the (unelected House of Lords) based entirely on their wealth.

In regard to the EU, each member state appoints their own MEP’s, who are democratically elected via European elections. In turn, MEP’s use their political mandate (given to them via the electorate) to appoint heads of the EU Parliament. The “unelected officials” rhetoric is complete nonsense.

“a leader who can bypass the will of a nation with a nod of the head” Again utter tripe. And something you would likely find in a Ukip propaganda leaflet.

Ireland and Greece’s problems were not a direct result of their EU membership, (I see Redinthehead has already touched on this). Nonetheless the EU came to their aid. Which was decided by a vote in the European parliament.

The above aside you still have not provided a single (truthful) example of EU fascism.

WWSPD

Metro will be scrabbling around for another pamphlet from around June time, probably stuck to the bottom of an old pizza box

Metro

As the UK are no longer going to be an EU member, maybe it’s better looking at our own legislative culture?

Am Unelected PM.

A PM who chose a Government (that will implement the greatest change to the country in a generation) without a political mandate.

A Government that has sought to use a contrived 16th century Act, to circumvent Parliament.

If successful the precedent set will ensure a Government can legislate on matters of national importance, and change the rights of all UK citizens without consulting Parliament.

Which in actuality could render Parliament, and constitutional law, an irrelevance in regard to future issues of national significance.

The devolved governments deemed collateral damage, and essentially passengers in the Tory Brexitmobile.

The EU desperately needs reform, and (like any organisation of its size) is littered with challenges. But compared to our own institutions the UK are in no place to point the finger.

A Government that has sought to use a contrived 16th century Act, to circumvent Parliament.

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WWSPD, would you say that this act, it's inception and intention has no bearing in 2016.

I mean if something first mooted in 1950's is out of touch with 2016, surely something from the 1500's would be even more so?

Or is that foolish logic? - no offence.

Redinthehead

I read a few of the governments opening statements yesterday – in regard to the Royal preogerative. Which related to domestic disputes going back to the 1920’s.

As for taking the UK out of the EU, I just can’t see the SP overturning. Which should be welcomes regardless of Brexit.

Both the European treaties of 1972, and Lisbon (2009) were immersed via Acts of Parliament. Don’t confess to understand all the complexities but if the UK’s accession was by an Act of Parliament, to revoke (you would think!) also requires same.

Both the European treaties of 1972, and Lisbon (2009) were immersed via Acts of Parliament. Don’t confess to understand all the complexities but if the UK’s accession was by an Act of Parliament, to revoke (you would think!) also requires same.

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Absolutely, if something required an act of Parliament to be brought into being, then the same will be required to bring it to an end.

That is entirely logical.

Of course this curtails the influence of Davis, Fox and co... which is also a good reason.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 minutes ago
Both the European treaties of 1972, and Lisbon (2009) were immersed via Acts of Parliament. Don’t confess to understand all the complexities but if the UK’s accession was by an Act of Parliament, to revoke (you would think!) also requires same.

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Absolutely, if something required an act of Parliament to be brought into being, then the same will be required to bring it to an end.

That is entirely logical.

Of course this curtails the influence of Davis, Fox and co... which is also a good reason.
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The SC raised the question this morning what will happen to UK domestic rights/laws when EU statute lapses. Gov were unable to provide a full response.

And there are some who seem content for the Gov to administer Brexit ‘behind closed doors’ with no accountability

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