As I understand it, Parliament basically endorsed the Tories Brexit timeline. Labour were able to secure a “promise” from the Government that they would publish an exit strategy. When, and the extent of the content is not known.

I suspect both the Tories and Labour will try to claim victory.

The SC case is separate and relates to legal framework in which A50 is invoked.

WWSPD

You're doing it again. Pointing out facets of UK legislation that aren't considered wholly democratic to justify the legislation within the EU.

There's no doubt we need electoral reform in the UK, All Members of the Lords are appointed in Britain, by Britons for their service to Britain and the British, the same can hardly be said for the EU Commissioners.

The House of Lords, due to the Parliament Acts of 1911 and 1949 and the Salisbury Convention, has severely restricted powers and is, in practice, now very much the Lower House. It only has the power to delay legislation for up to a year and to amend legislation, subject to the consent of the House of Commons. It is also worth bearing in mind that, not only is the EU anti-democratic, but we have so little influence in the making of EU law and EU decisions. We only have one EU Commissioner, we are the most overridden nation in the Council of Ministers and our own UK MEPs were unable to block 84% of motions they opposed by a majority from 2009-2014.

Reeling off a list of noble policies/initiatives/Directives is a clever trick but not answering the charge.

We could agree with 100% of EU policy, that doesn't make it democratic i'm afraid. James O'Brien of LBC radio made the same crucial error by asking leave voters with laws they disagreed with - this totally misses the point.

I also think your biggest problem is the very word 'fascism'. You seem offended that I could label the EU with such a word. This comes down to its association with the Naz1 party but it's a little bit more expansive than that.The very foundation of fascism is the conception of the State which is conceived as an absolute.

Take the emotion out of it and you'll find that its a perfectly legitimate tag for the European Union.

And please, less of the patronising.

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Metro

I was actually pointing out the EU statute that the UK has chosen to enshrine and legislate. Which have been implemented as they have been deemed to be of benefit for the entire country.

Until Lord Harris’s resignation last July, the UK had exactly the same representation on the EU Commission as the rest of the EU27. With precisely the same influence and entitlement(s). One member, one vote. Regretfully I have faced the direct results of Lord Harris’s resignation first hand (American Airlines pulling their service from Northern Ireland).

Many of the motions you refer to were due to Ukip (and others) failing to safeguard British interests. By not turning up to vote. From the Common Fisheries Policy, banning Chinese steel imports, child trafficking protections, women’s rights. The list is extensive. Is it the EU’s fault many of our elected MEP’s are inept?

I’m not sure why you think “reeling off a list of noble policies” was a “clever trick.” They are simply fundamental principles of the EU. No gimmicks, just actualities.

As I have stated before, the EU has many issues to counter. The rise of fascism throughout Europe being one of them. I haven’t positioned any sentiment to the principles of the EU. I have based my argument (previous posts refer) on what they have tried to accomplish, (whether successful or not) to make all our lives a little bit easier.

The current Tory government (only yesterday) noted their intention to revoke EU protections on employment rights. For full-time/part time employees, pregnant workers, (maternity and paternity rights) and agency staff. This is further to their blueprint to repel the HRA and replace it with a more politically inspired Act.

Maybe you should look a bit closer to home when attributing the label “fascist union” to an administration.

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The current Tory government (only yesterday) noted their intention to revoke EU protections on employment rights.
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and they will be accountable and subject to review from the electorate.

I see you have a cheerleader on here.

Metro

Do you not think it’s a bit rich pointing the finger at a “fascist” EU when many of the un-mandated policies our own unelected PM wants like to implement are congenial to fascist ideals?

I understand EU parliamentary elections are scheduled for 2019. The next UK general election is 2020.

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Bit confused as to what you actually wanted Sizzle, did you want to see us integrated further into the EU or remain but rather on the outside as we were before

You voted away our rights. Unforgivable as far I'm concerned, that's why I'll never support or try and pull together with you people.

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Hypocrite

I've helped this country reclaim them

Metro

It has yet to be decided if the UK will revoke the authority of the CJEU.

If recent government support (only last week) accepting EU law surrounding patents, (post Brexit) is anything to go by, you could well have voted in support of enduring supremacy of the CJEU.

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Metro

It has yet to be decided if the UK will revoke the authority of the CJEU.

If recent government support (only last week) accepting EU law surrounding patents, (post Brexit) is anything to go by, you could well have voted in support of enduring supremacy of the CJEU.

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Hindsight

There will be lots of compromises i'm sure but lets wait and see.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-labour-more-left-wing_uk_5842e72ce4b00b318b0fe6ec

Corbyn talking sense who are people gonna vote for, the ones who can recognise the problems of the ones who say they don't exist. Thank god the PLP failed to get rid of him, centrist establishment parties will continue getting crushed. seriously all he has to say is immigration needs to be controlled and he can win the next election easily, but not sure if he will do that.

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Metro

It has yet to be decided if the UK will revoke the authority of the CJEU.

If recent government support (only last week) accepting EU law surrounding patents, (post Brexit) is anything to go by, you could well have voted in support of enduring supremacy of the CJEU.

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Hindsight

There will be lots of compromises i'm sure but lets wait and see.
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While I (obviously) respect everyone’s right to vote how they please, no one knows exactly what they have voted for just yet.

The tone from Tories in public seems to be at odds with their (with what we know) activities behind the scenes.

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Ironically the Home Office is having had to relax immigration (low skilled workers) controls, to deal with the ongoing farming/agri crisis.

Seasonal worker uptake has seen a significant drop, (due to the Brexit result and devaluation of the Pound) which has adversely affected many agri businesses. Some have been hit by as much as a 10% reduction in productivity.

sizzle's your meltdowns are a nice little bonus to the political revolution of 2016

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Ironically the Home Office is having had to relax immigration (low skilled workers) controls, to deal with the ongoing farming/agri crisis.

Seasonal worker uptake has seen a significant drop, (due to the Brexit result and devaluation of the Pound) which has adversely affected many agri businesses. Some have been hit by as much as a 10% reduction in productivity.
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immigration is up since brexit

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Ironically the Home Office is having had to relax immigration (low skilled workers) controls, to deal with the ongoing farming/agri crisis.

Seasonal worker uptake has seen a significant drop, (due to the Brexit result and devaluation of the Pound) which has adversely affected many agri businesses. Some have been hit by as much as a 10% reduction in productivity.
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immigration is up since brexit
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Pretty much stands to reason if people think (post Brexit) it will be harder to get into the UK, there is a current increase.

alot of fruit/veg is thrown away due to it not fitting supermarker visual standards.. what a waste

I’m kinda hoping Santa is excluded from boarder controls/tariffs on pressies post Brexit

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