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8bit
It also appears you are unaware that that EU implemented social housing (the ‘Housing Europe’ programme) initiatives throughout Europe.
Yet the UK lags behind the majority of Europe.
Why do you think this is?
Consecutive UK government’s inability/unwillingness to address the problem, or the EU not being able to force a “sovereign nation” to alter its social housing strategy?
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it's not about domestic policy, there's a desire for change sweeping across Europe and some people are still in denial. The problems we have here are the same ones elsewhere in the EU.
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8bit
It may have escaped your attention that each and every economic forecast, (before the ref) was based on Cameron invoking A50 directly after the result (as he said he would).
To date, nothing has changed. Other than a vote. All treaties, benefits, funding blocs remain in place. As I’m sure you are aware, A50 has yet to be triggered.
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Economic forecasts are based on guesswork because they have no idea what terms we'll leave on, either way people heard all this info and still voted to leave.
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Both the BoE and OBR forecasts (if you read them) were based on the UK have same/similar trading relationships post Brexit.
Given this is far from certain the forecasts (as eye watering as they were) were conservative.
Forecasts aside the depreciation of the pound has cost the economy billions. Our trade deficit alone has increased by £7billion since June.
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8bit
It also appears you are unaware that that EU implemented social housing (the ‘Housing Europe’ programme) initiatives throughout Europe.
Yet the UK lags behind the majority of Europe.
Why do you think this is?
Consecutive UK government’s inability/unwillingness to address the problem, or the EU not being able to force a “sovereign nation” to alter its social housing strategy?
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it's not about domestic policy, there's a desire for change sweeping across Europe and some people are still in denial. The problems we have here are the same ones elsewhere in the EU.
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Which changes (post Brexit) can we look forward to?
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8bit
It may have escaped your attention that each and every economic forecast, (before the ref) was based on Cameron invoking A50 directly after the result (as he said he would).
To date, nothing has changed. Other than a vote. All treaties, benefits, funding blocs remain in place. As I’m sure you are aware, A50 has yet to be triggered.
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Economic forecasts are based on guesswork because they have no idea what terms we'll leave on, either way people heard all this info and still voted to leave.
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Both the BoE and OBR forecasts (if you read them) were based on the UK have same/similar trading relationships post Brexit.
Given this is far from certain the forecasts (as eye watering as they were) were conservative.
Forecasts aside the depreciation of the pound has cost the economy billions. Our trade deficit alone has increased by £7billion since June.
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they're just forecasts, nobody's ever left the EU so it's impossible to predict, theses groups have got forecasts completely wrong before. Even if there is an economic downturn we'll still be more priveleged and better off than 95% of the world's population get a grip, and again people heard all this and still voted leave. So saying it again now is useless.
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8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I had to read this back twice, are there really posters out there who are comparing the EU to a fascist state
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why the confusion?
I made it pretty clear what fascism is - after several posters dodged the question.
There's a simple reason why they dodged and it's exactly why I asked them - Its because their definition would / explanation would sound eerily similar to the European Union.
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Whilst you are entitled to you opinion, the rest of us are also entitled to find your view utterly ludicrous.
As per comments yesterday (I assume you read the replies?) you have yet to provide any (accurate) evidence to back up your claim(s).
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I think the rebuttals were a mix of smileys and further questions to be honest. Suggesting that the Union doesn't exhibit fascist characteristics because 'UK legislation' also pushes authoritarian nationalism / dispalys undemocratic values is not answering the charge and grossly off target - The big issue you fall down on is accountability.
You then have the audacity to suggest that the “unelected officials” rhetoric is complete nonsense when both the President of the Commission and Parliament were the only names on the ballot paper.
Even when the parliament votes, it still needs approval by the unelected commission. Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is remains with the Commission.
You also took my nod of the head comment literally. I think you know the point I was making and how the democratic will of a nation can be ignored/vetoed and increased austerity measures have become locked on in Greece.
Our mandate is to be upheld.
When a superstate can overthrow the will of a nation (good intentions or not) - that's fascism in its very form.
You cannot say that no evidence has been brought to the table, you just happen to think that this behaviour is acceptable.
You're talking nonsense.
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8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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posted 6 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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You're missing the point entirely... now you're worried about people becoming poorer? Normal citizens on the street could have told what was in those BBC articles 10 years ago, but people like yourself would have called them uneducated and racist. Do you have any opinions on those articles, and how to solve those problems? We need a change of direction to stop the rot, but the EU doesn't want to change so the only option is to leave.
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posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
Metro
Your ignorance of EU functionality aside, it’s challenging to persistently correct/debunk your misguided beliefs.
http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm
Like the UK. When a Bill is passed by Parliament, it still has to be ratified by the (unelected House of Lords). The EU is no different. Is the UK constitution therefore fascist too?
The EU cannot impose a Directive on a member state that would be detrimental to its constitution. Just like Greece, there was no Directive forcing the UK to assist. Greece’s economic problems were self-imposed, as Redinthhead alluded to yesterday. The UK exercised a veto in 2011 deciding not to bail out the Greeks but chose to assist anyway, following consultation from the IMF.
A handful of democratically selected policies/initiatives/Directives implemented/advocated by the EU.
Freedom of Movement.
Preservation of human rights.
Environmental/anti-pollution Directives.
Product safety Directives
Consumer rights
Domestic poverty/social inequality safeguards.
Employment/worker’s rights.
Multinational collaboration.
Regulation of financial services
Free trade.
Social housing (the ‘Housing Europe’ programme).
Anti-discrimination, (child protection/woman’s rights).
Bloc funding for deprived regions.
Which of the above do you feel are fascist? It stands to reason, if the EU was a “fascist union” organisations/political parties of similar ilk would gravitate towards the EU.
In reality however the one thing that unifies fascists is their opposition to the EU.
It’s remarkable you are unable to comprehend this simple fact.
8bit
I don’t recall calling anyone “uneducated” nor “racist”
The change of direction that the country requires (as I have mentioned fairly constantly) is tax and welfare reform.
When you have gigantic multinational corporations paying 0.1% tax, and billionaires with offshore accounts etc, (contributing next to nothing to the public purse) it creates an imbalance.
If a tiny fraction of conglomerates paid tax at the same rate a joe public, many of the issues facing the county could finally be addressed.
The EU (as seen with Apple of late) has tried to address this inequality but has faced opposition from many Governments – including our own .
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I agree on that but we've been in the EU for 40+ years, saying they are trying to get companies to pay proper tax now is a bit hollow. Like many EU principles it sounds nice but doesn't work that way in reality. what really happened is banks destroyed the economy and normal people had austerity forced on them to balance the books.
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posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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Dan Hannan, Ian Duncan Smith, Gisele Stuart, Boris Johnston to name but four, all stated at various stages prior to the vote, the UK would not leave the SM in the event of a Brexit.
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posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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pretty obvious that's what it meant though with the warnings of economic disaster and risks of leaving the single market, which was basically the focus of the remain campaign.
8bit
In truth the Eurozone has not recovered from the financial crash in 07/08. Italy a prime example.
The EU however since 2011 have been trying to introduce a fairer taxation system/combat tax avoidance, which has recently been revised:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-3471_en.htm
But it can only be implemented with the support of its members.
The UK has routinely rejected (since 2011) the EU’s proposals on tax avoidance. With good reason, as there are many government backers, MP’s, Peers, lobbyists etc who have enjoyed, (and still do) the benefits of the UK taxation system.
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posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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pretty obvious that's what it meant though with the warnings of economic disaster and risks of leaving the single market, which was basically the focus of the remain campaign.
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Ian Dunt is the editor of politics.co.uk and has written a book on Brexit.
He penned an article for the Guardian yesterday which outlines some of the problems facing the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
8bit
It also appears you are unaware that that EU implemented social housing (the ‘Housing Europe’ programme) initiatives throughout Europe.
Yet the UK lags behind the majority of Europe.
Why do you think this is?
Consecutive UK government’s inability/unwillingness to address the problem, or the EU not being able to force a “sovereign nation” to alter its social housing strategy?
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it's not about domestic policy, there's a desire for change sweeping across Europe and some people are still in denial. The problems we have here are the same ones elsewhere in the EU.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
8bit
It may have escaped your attention that each and every economic forecast, (before the ref) was based on Cameron invoking A50 directly after the result (as he said he would).
To date, nothing has changed. Other than a vote. All treaties, benefits, funding blocs remain in place. As I’m sure you are aware, A50 has yet to be triggered.
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Economic forecasts are based on guesswork because they have no idea what terms we'll leave on, either way people heard all this info and still voted to leave.
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Both the BoE and OBR forecasts (if you read them) were based on the UK have same/similar trading relationships post Brexit.
Given this is far from certain the forecasts (as eye watering as they were) were conservative.
Forecasts aside the depreciation of the pound has cost the economy billions. Our trade deficit alone has increased by £7billion since June.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
8bit
It also appears you are unaware that that EU implemented social housing (the ‘Housing Europe’ programme) initiatives throughout Europe.
Yet the UK lags behind the majority of Europe.
Why do you think this is?
Consecutive UK government’s inability/unwillingness to address the problem, or the EU not being able to force a “sovereign nation” to alter its social housing strategy?
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it's not about domestic policy, there's a desire for change sweeping across Europe and some people are still in denial. The problems we have here are the same ones elsewhere in the EU.
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Which changes (post Brexit) can we look forward to?
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8bit
It may have escaped your attention that each and every economic forecast, (before the ref) was based on Cameron invoking A50 directly after the result (as he said he would).
To date, nothing has changed. Other than a vote. All treaties, benefits, funding blocs remain in place. As I’m sure you are aware, A50 has yet to be triggered.
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Economic forecasts are based on guesswork because they have no idea what terms we'll leave on, either way people heard all this info and still voted to leave.
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Both the BoE and OBR forecasts (if you read them) were based on the UK have same/similar trading relationships post Brexit.
Given this is far from certain the forecasts (as eye watering as they were) were conservative.
Forecasts aside the depreciation of the pound has cost the economy billions. Our trade deficit alone has increased by £7billion since June.
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they're just forecasts, nobody's ever left the EU so it's impossible to predict, theses groups have got forecasts completely wrong before. Even if there is an economic downturn we'll still be more priveleged and better off than 95% of the world's population get a grip, and again people heard all this and still voted leave. So saying it again now is useless.
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8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I had to read this back twice, are there really posters out there who are comparing the EU to a fascist state
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why the confusion?
I made it pretty clear what fascism is - after several posters dodged the question.
There's a simple reason why they dodged and it's exactly why I asked them - Its because their definition would / explanation would sound eerily similar to the European Union.
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Whilst you are entitled to you opinion, the rest of us are also entitled to find your view utterly ludicrous.
As per comments yesterday (I assume you read the replies?) you have yet to provide any (accurate) evidence to back up your claim(s).
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I think the rebuttals were a mix of smileys and further questions to be honest. Suggesting that the Union doesn't exhibit fascist characteristics because 'UK legislation' also pushes authoritarian nationalism / dispalys undemocratic values is not answering the charge and grossly off target - The big issue you fall down on is accountability.
You then have the audacity to suggest that the “unelected officials” rhetoric is complete nonsense when both the President of the Commission and Parliament were the only names on the ballot paper.
Even when the parliament votes, it still needs approval by the unelected commission. Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is remains with the Commission.
You also took my nod of the head comment literally. I think you know the point I was making and how the democratic will of a nation can be ignored/vetoed and increased austerity measures have become locked on in Greece.
Our mandate is to be upheld.
When a superstate can overthrow the will of a nation (good intentions or not) - that's fascism in its very form.
You cannot say that no evidence has been brought to the table, you just happen to think that this behaviour is acceptable.
You're talking nonsense.
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posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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You're missing the point entirely... now you're worried about people becoming poorer? Normal citizens on the street could have told what was in those BBC articles 10 years ago, but people like yourself would have called them uneducated and racist. Do you have any opinions on those articles, and how to solve those problems? We need a change of direction to stop the rot, but the EU doesn't want to change so the only option is to leave.
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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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Metro
Your ignorance of EU functionality aside, it’s challenging to persistently correct/debunk your misguided beliefs.
http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm
Like the UK. When a Bill is passed by Parliament, it still has to be ratified by the (unelected House of Lords). The EU is no different. Is the UK constitution therefore fascist too?
The EU cannot impose a Directive on a member state that would be detrimental to its constitution. Just like Greece, there was no Directive forcing the UK to assist. Greece’s economic problems were self-imposed, as Redinthhead alluded to yesterday. The UK exercised a veto in 2011 deciding not to bail out the Greeks but chose to assist anyway, following consultation from the IMF.
A handful of democratically selected policies/initiatives/Directives implemented/advocated by the EU.
Freedom of Movement.
Preservation of human rights.
Environmental/anti-pollution Directives.
Product safety Directives
Consumer rights
Domestic poverty/social inequality safeguards.
Employment/worker’s rights.
Multinational collaboration.
Regulation of financial services
Free trade.
Social housing (the ‘Housing Europe’ programme).
Anti-discrimination, (child protection/woman’s rights).
Bloc funding for deprived regions.
Which of the above do you feel are fascist? It stands to reason, if the EU was a “fascist union” organisations/political parties of similar ilk would gravitate towards the EU.
In reality however the one thing that unifies fascists is their opposition to the EU.
It’s remarkable you are unable to comprehend this simple fact.
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8bit
I don’t recall calling anyone “uneducated” nor “racist”
The change of direction that the country requires (as I have mentioned fairly constantly) is tax and welfare reform.
When you have gigantic multinational corporations paying 0.1% tax, and billionaires with offshore accounts etc, (contributing next to nothing to the public purse) it creates an imbalance.
If a tiny fraction of conglomerates paid tax at the same rate a joe public, many of the issues facing the county could finally be addressed.
The EU (as seen with Apple of late) has tried to address this inequality but has faced opposition from many Governments – including our own .
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I agree on that but we've been in the EU for 40+ years, saying they are trying to get companies to pay proper tax now is a bit hollow. Like many EU principles it sounds nice but doesn't work that way in reality. what really happened is banks destroyed the economy and normal people had austerity forced on them to balance the books.
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comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
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8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
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We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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Dan Hannan, Ian Duncan Smith, Gisele Stuart, Boris Johnston to name but four, all stated at various stages prior to the vote, the UK would not leave the SM in the event of a Brexit.
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comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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pretty obvious that's what it meant though with the warnings of economic disaster and risks of leaving the single market, which was basically the focus of the remain campaign.
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8bit
In truth the Eurozone has not recovered from the financial crash in 07/08. Italy a prime example.
The EU however since 2011 have been trying to introduce a fairer taxation system/combat tax avoidance, which has recently been revised:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-3471_en.htm
But it can only be implemented with the support of its members.
The UK has routinely rejected (since 2011) the EU’s proposals on tax avoidance. With good reason, as there are many government backers, MP’s, Peers, lobbyists etc who have enjoyed, (and still do) the benefits of the UK taxation system.
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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
“Just forecasts” So we dismiss them, as it’s only guesswork??
You do know that to date, the BoE has been pretty much been on the money in regard to their predictions. Have you seen the provision (additional Gov borrowing) that has already been accounted for. Not forecast but reality. £122 billion.
The deficit, in turn, will have to be repaid. Via reductions in public spending, extra taxation, welfare cuts etc.
You seem to be suggesting as the UK is a wealthy nation, it is immune from poverty. Seven million people are already living in poverty, and with a smaller public purse, that number is only going to increase.
And the benefits of leaving the EU are??
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Johnny Foreigner gets shown what's what.
However, given that the country is likely to have to accept freedom of movement as part of remaining in the single market, the country will have gained nothing, losing its influence and veto in the process.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We shouldn't be, it was clear during the referendum and leaving meant leaving the single market too. but I doubt we will be allowed to.
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I'm afraid that the 16 word question the people of the country were asked did not clearly stipulate that at all.
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pretty obvious that's what it meant though with the warnings of economic disaster and risks of leaving the single market, which was basically the focus of the remain campaign.
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Ian Dunt is the editor of politics.co.uk and has written a book on Brexit.
He penned an article for the Guardian yesterday which outlines some of the problems facing the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought
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