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comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
omment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 17 minutes ago
Young is garbage

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Well, Yes and No. Which may seem odd, so bear with me.

The Young we have now is no use to us what so ever and needs to be sold. He has been so badly coached by the last two managers that his very first thought is to pass the ball safely, which usually means backwards.

The Young that SAF bought is still the best crosser of a ball out of all our attacking players, and still looks more of a threat out wide than anyone else.

Sadly there is more of the Young we have now than the one SAF bought.
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Agree to a degree VC

Young has a great cross, a great freekick and pops up to score goals. Why he isnt played as a winger in front of shaw I dont get.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

Kneerash - Klopp has taken someone like Studge and made him almost a bit part player because of his style and this has helped the likes of lallana imo and you can see how much better lallana looks now

This is management

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
omment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 17 minutes ago
Young is garbage

...................

Well, Yes and No. Which may seem odd, so bear with me.

The Young we have now is no use to us what so ever and needs to be sold. He has been so badly coached by the last two managers that his very first thought is to pass the ball safely, which usually means backwards.

The Young that SAF bought is still the best crosser of a ball out of all our attacking players, and still looks more of a threat out wide than anyone else.

Sadly there is more of the Young we have now than the one SAF bought.
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Agree to a degree VC

Young has a great cross, a great freekick and pops up to score goals. Why he isnt played as a winger in front of shaw I dont get.
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Young is a good worker. As is Lingard. We could do far worse than play these two wide in a 442 and let both Martial and Rashford try and run riot up front together. Who would play in the CM positions is anyone's guess. Personally would have Carrick + 1 other.

posted on 4/11/16

I see Robb is still the lone voice peddling his anti-LVG bollox.

You can sum up all of Robb's football opinions very easily in 3 sentences.

1) everything LVG achieved was solely due to failure by all the other clubs.

2) All of Jose's failures are everyone else's fault, not his.

3) David Moyes is simply marvellous.

Robb should just pin these sentences to his profile page and then never speak again.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

Serge even playing Zlatan with Rashford, with zlatan playing a heskey/crouch role as in wins the headers for Rashford to latch on to would be trying something

Who was it said that the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
Robb look at the squad we have

Jose has bought what LVG left and he (LVG) won a trophy and came 5th. Jose will be lucky to get top 10 with the way we are playing

Bailly has been injured for how many games?
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Let's look deeper though.

He came 5th in one of the weakest league campaigns ever when most of the big sides were poor.

We won a cup when avoiding all the big sides and nearly threw it away against a dire Palace side.

So many cracks in this squad but we're hidden by what we did last season.
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Robb you say that BUt i never said we should be beating the top sides, although LVGs record wasnt that bad against them was it?

What I am saying is our team on paper is far better than what those saying BUY BUY BUY and calling all our players krap

You mention Palace but they are better than Burnley no?
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Difference is we made monstrous work of beating Palace and were second best for periods of the game and needed extra time to win

Against Burnley we battered them and I'd be surprised to find one United supporter who could blame Jose for that result.

I don't think our squad is awful. But it needs more work than a lot of fans realise and I think even Jose didn't realise it until he'd worked with them for a bit

posted on 4/11/16

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 58 seconds ago
I see Robb is still the lone voice peddling his anti-LVG bollox.

You can sum up all of Robb's football opinions very easily in 3 sentences.

1) everything LVG achieved was solely due to failure by all the other clubs.

2) All of Jose's failures are everyone else's fault, not his.

3) David Moyes is simply marvellous.

Robb should just pin these sentences to his profile page and then never speak again.


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^^^

When posters can't debate and make things personal

posted on 4/11/16

OP - what do you think you can achieve with the current United squad?

posted on 4/11/16

How I'd imagine Klop pwould line up your current squad

-----------DDG--------
Young rigth back lad-----Smalling--Bailly--Blind
----------Carrick--------
----Pogba------Miki
Lingard---Rash---MArtial

posted on 4/11/16

If Ranieri can win the league with Leicester's squad of last season, Jose can win the league with this squad.

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Octavian (U21076)
posted 4 minutes ago
Above is right - look at Liverpool - everyone is practically bumming them at the moment but they haven't signed anyone or don't have any players that people last season were rating as highly as Zlatan or Pogba
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Plenty of our players are not rated despite being very good footballers
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As with ours. In fact we have many rated players even, someone like SchneiderLin was rated higher than the likes of Lallana and wanyama and now can't seem to play. I remember Lallana looking on his way out and now is integral. Origi looked lost but was reclaimed. Even players who were not favs put in performances enough to be still in high demand. Klopp saved them money, promoted players and used the ones he had effectively we can be that and more with a manager that actually improves players. Jose does not


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Good points, one of my favourite things about Klopp was how he came in and didn't buy in Jan, he wanted to work with and see what he had before buying that summer.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
Robb look at the squad we have

Jose has bought what LVG left and he (LVG) won a trophy and came 5th. Jose will be lucky to get top 10 with the way we are playing

Bailly has been injured for how many games?
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Let's look deeper though.

He came 5th in one of the weakest league campaigns ever when most of the big sides were poor.

We won a cup when avoiding all the big sides and nearly threw it away against a dire Palace side.

So many cracks in this squad but we're hidden by what we did last season.
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Robb you say that BUt i never said we should be beating the top sides, although LVGs record wasnt that bad against them was it?

What I am saying is our team on paper is far better than what those saying BUY BUY BUY and calling all our players krap

You mention Palace but they are better than Burnley no?
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Difference is we made monstrous work of beating Palace and were second best for periods of the game and needed extra time to win

Against Burnley we battered them and I'd be surprised to find one United supporter who could blame Jose for that result.

I don't think our squad is awful. But it needs more work than a lot of fans realise and I think even Jose didn't realise it until he'd worked with them for a bit
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Robb I have, since Moyes got appointed, banged the drum about more work being needed post SAF than anyone realised. Even blaming SAF for some of his buys etc

I am not asking Jose to win the EPL in his first season, but we have the players to be a hell of a lot better

posted on 4/11/16

Personally would have Carrick + 1 other.

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No. Never in a two man MF.

posted on 4/11/16

comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 14 seconds ago
If Ranieri can win the league with Leicester's squad of last season, Jose can win the league with this squad.
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To be fair Leicester last season had the perfect storm of incompetent managers all around him.

I certainly haven't given up on the league this season. But I think we need to get the ball rolling with a couple of wins in a row. Beating Arsenal could ignite our season.

posted on 4/11/16

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 37 seconds ago
How I'd imagine Klop pwould line up your current squad

-----------DDG--------
Young rigth back lad-----Smalling--Bailly--Blind
----------Carrick--------
----Pogba------Miki
Lingard---Rash---MArtial
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I can see why Liverpool get criticised defensively if Klopp has 3 of his 4 defenders lined up sat in the stand...

posted on 4/11/16

The difference is now that there's so much money in the premier league, teams are catching up. The gap is getting smaller and smaller. It's not just 1 or 2 teams capable of bringing in top quality players, it's EVERY team.

And mentality comes into it for sure, but a manager at any prem club will not get instant success and have the team playing exactly how they want. What happens is, you come up against teams like Burnley and Stoke who have a built in game plan solidified by keeping the manager and breeding their philosophy into the club, they know 1-11 the game plan from doing it week in week out for a few years.

You need to give your manager 2/3 seasons until you start seeing a return IMO.

Man City aside who have spent a disgusting amount of oil money on their squad and maybe Chelsea who have more or less the same team they've had for 3/4 years, the club needs time.

And I still think Pogba is huge waste of money from what I saw of him in the Euro's. Could have bought 3 better players.

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
Robb look at the squad we have

Jose has bought what LVG left and he (LVG) won a trophy and came 5th. Jose will be lucky to get top 10 with the way we are playing

Bailly has been injured for how many games?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Let's look deeper though.

He came 5th in one of the weakest league campaigns ever when most of the big sides were poor.

We won a cup when avoiding all the big sides and nearly threw it away against a dire Palace side.

So many cracks in this squad but we're hidden by what we did last season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Robb you say that BUt i never said we should be beating the top sides, although LVGs record wasnt that bad against them was it?

What I am saying is our team on paper is far better than what those saying BUY BUY BUY and calling all our players krap

You mention Palace but they are better than Burnley no?
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Difference is we made monstrous work of beating Palace and were second best for periods of the game and needed extra time to win

Against Burnley we battered them and I'd be surprised to find one United supporter who could blame Jose for that result.

I don't think our squad is awful. But it needs more work than a lot of fans realise and I think even Jose didn't realise it until he'd worked with them for a bit
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Robb I have, since Moyes got appointed, banged the drum about more work being needed post SAF than anyone realised. Even blaming SAF for some of his buys etc

I am not asking Jose to win the EPL in his first season, but we have the players to be a hell of a lot better
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I agree. I think we'll win the league cup and go far in the Europa.

That and top 4 would be a good first season

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 4/11/16

Our squad is not poor.

Man for man, our first eleven is certainly a match for most of the big sides. For me only Arsenal and City surpass us in that respect.

We also have a deep squad of "good" players, not outstanding but good enough to step in when required.

Our issue is twofold, a lack of balance in the squad, this means we have no clear direction to take, like say Liverpool whose players are clearly tailor made for the quick, high pressing game.

The other issue is our manager has no idea how to get the best out of our players. For example, Rashford and Martial are not only playing wide every week, they're also asked to do focus on defending as much as they are attacking. This kind of leads back to the squads balance.

posted on 4/11/16

comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
If Ranieri can win the league with Leicester's squad of last season, Jose can win the league with this squad.
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when?

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP - what do you think you can achieve with the current United squad?
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Honestly with our current players all fit and playing in a system that suits the likes of Pogba (so not him and fellaini in a MF 2) top 4

posted on 4/11/16

I am not asking Jose to win the EPL in his first season, but we have the players to be a hell of a lot better

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Exactly. And it is down to the manager that we are not.

posted on 4/11/16

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
If Ranieri can win the league with Leicester's squad of last season, Jose can win the league with this squad.
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when?
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Quarter past four

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 seconds ago
I am not asking Jose to win the EPL in his first season, but we have the players to be a hell of a lot better

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Exactly. And it is down to the manager that we are not.
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You would however, expect to see an improvement on the previous managers achievements?

Taking the previous managers squad, adding 4 very good players, and doing worse, is not an option, imo.

4 weeks ago we (and everybody else) were talking about challenging, or at least being second best to Peps City. Now we are hoping not to end up in the bottom half of the table.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

Busby agreed

even if Jose played Rashford up top yesterday from the start

You cant replace a misfiring Zlatan (tbf had a great start) with a rooney who hasnt been firing for a couple of seasons and expect goals galore

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 4/11/16

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am not asking Jose to win the EPL in his first season, but we have the players to be a hell of a lot better

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Exactly. And it is down to the manager that we are not.
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Exactly

Add to that the fact that he bought in players and the likes of rashford Fosu mensah etc have the experience compared to their first seasons

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