His biggest issue so far has been he doesn't know who he wants to be just yet.
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I think so.... he knows what utd fans want and expect in terms of style.... which is not really his way. He has shown some signs that he can get them playing attacking football... but then closes shop in the away games.... probably confusing for the players.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 17 seconds ago
I still think people make too much of Zlatan missing sitters. Against Burnley, only one of his chances could even remotely be called a sitter. To hear the criticism though, you'd think he missed five. To my recollection, almost all his other efforts were on target.
Strikers have always missed chances. In all our great teams we scored goals from all over the pitch. I think it's a bit harsh to blame the striker all the time when no one else ever scores either. Other players have missed chances too.
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That was just one example of were Jose can't fully control what happens on the pitch.
I don't think you can say the only reason the defence did well was because of playing two dm's all the time because one we didn't play two dm's all the tome and two our midfield was like a sieve anyway so they weren't exactly protecting the defence.
The defence generally did well by itself. And when it didn't De Gea was often there to bale us out. But it had the ability to completely collapse especially in more open games where we weren't just starving the opposition of possession.
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford and Martial would be completely different if they played for Liverpool though Robb, that's as much about what Mourinho wants from his wide front men as it is the individuals.
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But also they are quite young and still finding their feet as footballers whereas the three Liverpool players are a bit older and playing at a higher level
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Klopp hasn't really utilised Sturridge that much though and Firminhi hardly set the world alight at Hoffenheim. Coutinho has a freedom that you don't give Mata, though I would say they are comparable.
If Martial or Rashford (or even Depay, who was as big a talent as Martial when you signed him) were operating in a more fluid front three, they would be very different players.
That's not to say they won't be good either way, just that it's the difference between what Mourinho wants from them due to his conformity to shape compared to Klopp.
I said at the start of the season, I'd love to clone Martial and have Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho all manage him for a season. The player at the end of the season would be completely different.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sure.... but not many managers can sort out 3 years mess in 3 months.
I have no issue blaming Jose for some of the issues we have.... I just think people are forgetting the fine lines.... Jose can't control Zlatan missing a sitter, for instance
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Absolutely, although I think signing Ibra in the first place was a bigger risk than people realise.
He will know he has a big job on his hands. His biggest issue so far has been he doesn't know who he wants to be just yet.
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I said it but all we heard was 50 goals. My problem was and always going to be holding Rashford back and the drop off an old man can have. Seems I was right on both counts
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still think people make too much of Zlatan missing sitters. Against Burnley, only one of his chances could even remotely be called a sitter. To hear the criticism though, you'd think he missed five. To my recollection, almost all his other efforts were on target.
Strikers have always missed chances. In all our great teams we scored goals from all over the pitch. I think it's a bit harsh to blame the striker all the time when no one else ever scores either. Other players have missed chances too.
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agree with this, there does seem to have been a hafiesque rush to proclaim every single missed half chance as a "sitter", i'm not as convinced as some that this team has been carving open the opposition and laying open goal after open goal at the swede's feet.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 6 minutes ago
His biggest issue so far has been he doesn't know who he wants to be just yet.
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I think so.... he knows what utd fans want and expect in terms of style.... which is not really his way. He has shown some signs that he can get them playing attacking football... but then closes shop in the away games.... probably confusing for the players.
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Off the pitch too Ji, between the old fiery Mourinho and the one trying to turn into elder statesman. The former is coming out more though, which I think is probably a good thing.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
ure.... but not many managers can sort out 3 years mess in 3 months.
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Jose isn't sorting out 3 years mess. He took over a team that won the FA Cup and missed out on the CL on goal difference. He has added 150 million of his own players to that squad.
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And as many would have us believe, all this was done with a poor manager.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford and Martial would be completely different if they played for Liverpool though Robb, that's as much about what Mourinho wants from his wide front men as it is the individuals.
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But also they are quite young and still finding their feet as footballers whereas the three Liverpool players are a bit older and playing at a higher level
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Klopp hasn't really utilised Sturridge that much though and Firminhi hardly set the world alight at Hoffenheim. Coutinho has a freedom that you don't give Mata, though I would say they are comparable.
If Martial or Rashford (or even Depay, who was as big a talent as Martial when you signed him) were operating in a more fluid front three, they would be very different players.
That's not to say they won't be good either way, just that it's the difference between what Mourinho wants from them due to his conformity to shape compared to Klopp.
I said at the start of the season, I'd love to clone Martial and have Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho all manage him for a season. The player at the end of the season would be completely different.
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Fair enough. I think you said the same about Stones and I said the same.
Regarding Firmino, he was excellent at Hoffenheim. Had an incredible assist rate.
In the grand scheme of things he wasn't, Depay was rated equally as high, if not more.
It's still more what you do with the player.
agree with this, there does seem to have been a hafiesque rush to proclaim every single missed half chance as a "sitter", i'm not as convinced as some that this team has been carving open the opposition and laying open goal after open goal at the swede's feet.
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Me neither. In fact, at times I think Ibra has created chances out of next to nothing. Lack of service is still one of our problems imo.
Me neither. In fact, at times I think Ibra has created chances out of next to nothing. Lack of service is still one of our problems imo.
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Yes it is. Earlier I alluded to the fact that Ashley Young is probably our best crosser of the ball.
Nah despite how bad he's become Rooney is still our best crosser of the ball.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nah despite how bad he's become Rooney is still our best crosser of the ball.
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rooney vs young as best crosser really is like the aids vs cancer debate...
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nah despite how bad he's become Rooney is still our best crosser of the ball.
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Dazza,
Wazza keeps chipping crosses into the box. The only decent cross he has put in was probably the last time Zlatan scored.
Under no circumstance should Wazza be allowed to keep taking corners. He might as well throw it to the goalie.
Tbf I'd rather see either of them crossing the ball than Martial or Rashford. We need proper wingers, especially when Ibra is up front.
What Young does better than most in our squad is engineer the space to deliver a cross in the first place, good or bad. Rash and Martial's instincts are to cut inside and run for goal. I.e. Young is a proper winger and has a better understanding of the role, even if he is less talented.
Crossing is a dying art, to be fair. How many top crossers of the ball play at the top teams?
Pogba is the best crosser of the ball we have now
Yeah but they're still better than Young's. Only time Young's crosses are remotely reasonable is when he plays on the right and they're still hit and miss.
Fair shout actually, Pogba has a decent cross on him.
Pogba is our best crosser, and our best passer in general imo. If he can work on his concentration he will become more consistent but, in terms of ability/skill, he is easily the best crosser we have.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 37 seconds ago
Yeah but they're still better than Young's. Only time Young's crosses are remotely reasonable is when he plays on the right and they're still hit and miss.
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Hit and miss is a better ration then 95% miss which we are seeing with Wazza
Anyhow, off home. Catch you guys on Monday. Lets hope for a good weekend.
Disagree, LVG and Moyes set up not to lose. Jose wants to win every game and has his own methods . he has a proven track record
comment by Cantona 7 (U11258)
posted 18 minutes ago
Disagree, LVG and Moyes set up not to lose. Jose wants to win every game and has his own methods . he has a proven track record
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You missed the Liverpool game? Jose has a history of setting up his team to take a point against the better teams in the league.
I kid you not ran into Lou macari, in poundland of all places
2 things happened as I recognised him
1 we spoke about how dire yesterday was and he agreed we were better under LVG
And
2 spent more time than with Lou explaining to 2 heels working their who he was
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posted on 4/11/16
His biggest issue so far has been he doesn't know who he wants to be just yet.
..........
I think so.... he knows what utd fans want and expect in terms of style.... which is not really his way. He has shown some signs that he can get them playing attacking football... but then closes shop in the away games.... probably confusing for the players.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 17 seconds ago
I still think people make too much of Zlatan missing sitters. Against Burnley, only one of his chances could even remotely be called a sitter. To hear the criticism though, you'd think he missed five. To my recollection, almost all his other efforts were on target.
Strikers have always missed chances. In all our great teams we scored goals from all over the pitch. I think it's a bit harsh to blame the striker all the time when no one else ever scores either. Other players have missed chances too.
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That was just one example of were Jose can't fully control what happens on the pitch.
posted on 4/11/16
I don't think you can say the only reason the defence did well was because of playing two dm's all the time because one we didn't play two dm's all the tome and two our midfield was like a sieve anyway so they weren't exactly protecting the defence.
The defence generally did well by itself. And when it didn't De Gea was often there to bale us out. But it had the ability to completely collapse especially in more open games where we weren't just starving the opposition of possession.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford and Martial would be completely different if they played for Liverpool though Robb, that's as much about what Mourinho wants from his wide front men as it is the individuals.
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But also they are quite young and still finding their feet as footballers whereas the three Liverpool players are a bit older and playing at a higher level
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Klopp hasn't really utilised Sturridge that much though and Firminhi hardly set the world alight at Hoffenheim. Coutinho has a freedom that you don't give Mata, though I would say they are comparable.
If Martial or Rashford (or even Depay, who was as big a talent as Martial when you signed him) were operating in a more fluid front three, they would be very different players.
That's not to say they won't be good either way, just that it's the difference between what Mourinho wants from them due to his conformity to shape compared to Klopp.
I said at the start of the season, I'd love to clone Martial and have Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho all manage him for a season. The player at the end of the season would be completely different.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sure.... but not many managers can sort out 3 years mess in 3 months.
I have no issue blaming Jose for some of the issues we have.... I just think people are forgetting the fine lines.... Jose can't control Zlatan missing a sitter, for instance
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Absolutely, although I think signing Ibra in the first place was a bigger risk than people realise.
He will know he has a big job on his hands. His biggest issue so far has been he doesn't know who he wants to be just yet.
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I said it but all we heard was 50 goals. My problem was and always going to be holding Rashford back and the drop off an old man can have. Seems I was right on both counts
posted on 4/11/16
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still think people make too much of Zlatan missing sitters. Against Burnley, only one of his chances could even remotely be called a sitter. To hear the criticism though, you'd think he missed five. To my recollection, almost all his other efforts were on target.
Strikers have always missed chances. In all our great teams we scored goals from all over the pitch. I think it's a bit harsh to blame the striker all the time when no one else ever scores either. Other players have missed chances too.
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agree with this, there does seem to have been a hafiesque rush to proclaim every single missed half chance as a "sitter", i'm not as convinced as some that this team has been carving open the opposition and laying open goal after open goal at the swede's feet.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 6 minutes ago
His biggest issue so far has been he doesn't know who he wants to be just yet.
..........
I think so.... he knows what utd fans want and expect in terms of style.... which is not really his way. He has shown some signs that he can get them playing attacking football... but then closes shop in the away games.... probably confusing for the players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off the pitch too Ji, between the old fiery Mourinho and the one trying to turn into elder statesman. The former is coming out more though, which I think is probably a good thing.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
ure.... but not many managers can sort out 3 years mess in 3 months.
...........
Jose isn't sorting out 3 years mess. He took over a team that won the FA Cup and missed out on the CL on goal difference. He has added 150 million of his own players to that squad.
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And as many would have us believe, all this was done with a poor manager.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford and Martial would be completely different if they played for Liverpool though Robb, that's as much about what Mourinho wants from his wide front men as it is the individuals.
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But also they are quite young and still finding their feet as footballers whereas the three Liverpool players are a bit older and playing at a higher level
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Klopp hasn't really utilised Sturridge that much though and Firminhi hardly set the world alight at Hoffenheim. Coutinho has a freedom that you don't give Mata, though I would say they are comparable.
If Martial or Rashford (or even Depay, who was as big a talent as Martial when you signed him) were operating in a more fluid front three, they would be very different players.
That's not to say they won't be good either way, just that it's the difference between what Mourinho wants from them due to his conformity to shape compared to Klopp.
I said at the start of the season, I'd love to clone Martial and have Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho all manage him for a season. The player at the end of the season would be completely different.
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Fair enough. I think you said the same about Stones and I said the same.
Regarding Firmino, he was excellent at Hoffenheim. Had an incredible assist rate.
posted on 4/11/16
In the grand scheme of things he wasn't, Depay was rated equally as high, if not more.
It's still more what you do with the player.
posted on 4/11/16
agree with this, there does seem to have been a hafiesque rush to proclaim every single missed half chance as a "sitter", i'm not as convinced as some that this team has been carving open the opposition and laying open goal after open goal at the swede's feet.
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Me neither. In fact, at times I think Ibra has created chances out of next to nothing. Lack of service is still one of our problems imo.
posted on 4/11/16
Me neither. In fact, at times I think Ibra has created chances out of next to nothing. Lack of service is still one of our problems imo.
................
Yes it is. Earlier I alluded to the fact that Ashley Young is probably our best crosser of the ball.
posted on 4/11/16
Nah despite how bad he's become Rooney is still our best crosser of the ball.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nah despite how bad he's become Rooney is still our best crosser of the ball.
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rooney vs young as best crosser really is like the aids vs cancer debate...
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nah despite how bad he's become Rooney is still our best crosser of the ball.
...................
Dazza,
Wazza keeps chipping crosses into the box. The only decent cross he has put in was probably the last time Zlatan scored.
Under no circumstance should Wazza be allowed to keep taking corners. He might as well throw it to the goalie.
posted on 4/11/16
Tbf I'd rather see either of them crossing the ball than Martial or Rashford. We need proper wingers, especially when Ibra is up front.
What Young does better than most in our squad is engineer the space to deliver a cross in the first place, good or bad. Rash and Martial's instincts are to cut inside and run for goal. I.e. Young is a proper winger and has a better understanding of the role, even if he is less talented.
posted on 4/11/16
Crossing is a dying art, to be fair. How many top crossers of the ball play at the top teams?
posted on 4/11/16
Pogba is the best crosser of the ball we have now
posted on 4/11/16
Yeah but they're still better than Young's. Only time Young's crosses are remotely reasonable is when he plays on the right and they're still hit and miss.
posted on 4/11/16
Fair shout actually, Pogba has a decent cross on him.
posted on 4/11/16
Pogba is our best crosser, and our best passer in general imo. If he can work on his concentration he will become more consistent but, in terms of ability/skill, he is easily the best crosser we have.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 37 seconds ago
Yeah but they're still better than Young's. Only time Young's crosses are remotely reasonable is when he plays on the right and they're still hit and miss.
...............
Hit and miss is a better ration then 95% miss which we are seeing with Wazza
Anyhow, off home. Catch you guys on Monday. Lets hope for a good weekend.
posted on 4/11/16
Disagree, LVG and Moyes set up not to lose. Jose wants to win every game and has his own methods . he has a proven track record
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Cantona 7 (U11258)
posted 18 minutes ago
Disagree, LVG and Moyes set up not to lose. Jose wants to win every game and has his own methods . he has a proven track record
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You missed the Liverpool game? Jose has a history of setting up his team to take a point against the better teams in the league.
posted on 4/11/16
I kid you not ran into Lou macari, in poundland of all places
2 things happened as I recognised him
1 we spoke about how dire yesterday was and he agreed we were better under LVG
And
2 spent more time than with Lou explaining to 2 heels working their who he was
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