comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 59 seconds ago
Cal

"Israel doesn't seek the destruction of the West Bank and Gaza. And they aren't a proscribed terrorist organisation"

Well I'd say bombing both areas suggests they do.
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What bombings in the West Bank are you referring to?
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You don't think Israel has been bombing, or has bombed both the West Bank & Gaza Strip?

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
Well if the Arabs had accepted statehood things would have been better on all sides but they didn't. And here we are 68 years later.
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Why would they accept half their land being given to someone else ?

If the internarional community hadnt come up with this hair brained idea of giving arab land to another community, then things would have been better onnall sides.

They did, and with hindisight, it's an unacceptable sotuation.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 59 seconds ago
Cal

"Israel doesn't seek the destruction of the West Bank and Gaza. And they aren't a proscribed terrorist organisation"

Well I'd say bombing both areas suggests they do.
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What bombings in the West Bank are you referring to?
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You don't think Israel has been bombing, or has bombed both the West Bank & Gaza Strip?
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Can you provide a link to the West Bank bombings you refer to?
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Sorry my mistake not the West Bank, but they have bombed the Gaza Strip. They've deployed troops into the West Bank.

Point still stands. It contradicts your claim that Israel doesn't seek the destruction of either area.

Cal

Last point then I really have to get to bed.

Why are the actions of Israel justified in your eyes (as a result of the past & relatiation) but not for Hamas?

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Let is be clear here...

Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel. Now that is not my cup of tea but you can understand why.

They also seek to wipe out Jews in their charter.

You can justify the 1st, but I would love to hear a justification of the 2nd.

Like I said before totally deluded. Carry on waffling about France and Germany all you like. You probably know as much about WWII as you know about the Arab/ Israeli conflict. Which is very little.
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TBH I am not the one claiming Hamas has caused more destruction and death than Israel.

I've probably forgotten more about this conflict than you remember TBH, either that or your bias does a great job of hiding your knowledge.

Also if you don't like hearing about Adolf's Germany then there is a very simple method to follow....

Stop trying to justify Israel's actions by using excuses that could just as easily be applied to 30's/40's Germany.

The obvious conclusion is if it also applies to Adolf's Germany then it probably isn't a good excuse.... funny how a lot of your attempted excuses work for Germany as well though.

I think it just shows what a hypocrite you are when it comes to Israel, you apply logic that you wouldn't apply to anyone else.

Because lets face it there is no excuse for kicking the innocent Palestinians off their land.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 hours, 40 minutes ago
Well if the Arabs had accepted statehood things would have been better on all sides but they didn't. And here we are 68 years later.
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Cal I suppose you'll give me half your house if I ask for it otherwise you've got yourself to blame if I take more of it later on.

Nobody would just give away their country to another people like that.

Look at the recent problems just caused by Muslim immigration into Britain

Now can you imagine if these Muslims were coming here to setup their own country?!

The British would riot and kill people, the Americans would... in fact any people on Earth would fight back if you tried to take their land.

So what is it about the native Muslims that makes them somehow less worthy than other people?

Their religion? the colour of their skin?

I don't understand what it is about Palestinians that means morally they are not allowed to defend themselves in the same way every other people on Earth are.

Racism?

Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel. Now that is not my cup of tea but you can understand why.

They also seek to wipe out Jews in their charter.

You can justify the 1st, but I would love to hear a justification of the 2nd.
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TBH if any group of people had been treated like the Palestinians have by the Israeli's over the past 70 years they'd probably have similar ideas.

Also poverty causes extremism and Israel has ensured grinding poverty for the Palestinians, probably to ensure extremism to provide them more excuse to keep up their occupation and stealing off land...

I've said just earlier that if they wanted that they could do it. You are saying something that just isn't true. I am making a distinction here between Israel and Hamas. Hamas want to see an end to Israel even if they cannot fulfil their wishes.
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What worse someone who wants to kill your entire family or someone who has actually killed off several members of your family?

Because quite frankly give me Hamas with their rhetoric over Israel's hugely effective murdering of civilians.

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 23 minutes ago
Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel. Now that is not my cup of tea but you can understand why.

They also seek to wipe out Jews in their charter.

You can justify the 1st, but I would love to hear a justification of the 2nd.
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TBH if any group of people had been treated like the Palestinians have by the Israeli's over the past 70 years they'd probably have similar ideas.

Also poverty causes extremism and Israel has ensured grinding poverty for the Palestinians, probably to ensure extremism to provide them more excuse to keep up their occupation and stealing off land...
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All Jews are not Israeli

All Israelis are not Jews

Bear that in mind, it goes back to an earlier point.

Would ISIS attacking London mean I am justified in saying I would like all Muslims dead?

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My big problem with Hillary Clinton (although I'd still rather her than Trump) was when she said, words to the effect that she would always support Israel whatever they should do.

The huge sins committed against the Jews, which are inexcusable, should not mean that the state of Israel should be exempt from criticism where it is justified.

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel. Now that is not my cup of tea but you can understand why.

They also seek to wipe out Jews in their charter.

You can justify the 1st, but I would love to hear a justification of the 2nd.
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TBH if any group of people had been treated like the Palestinians have by the Israeli's over the past 70 years they'd probably have similar ideas.

Also poverty causes extremism and Israel has ensured grinding poverty for the Palestinians, probably to ensure extremism to provide them more excuse to keep up their occupation and stealing off land...
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So, after christians have been kicked out of muslim lands we can quote you when we lead a white nationalist crusade?


You do know your rhetoric on israel sounds right wing racist, don't ya?

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel. Now that is not my cup of tea but you can understand why.

They also seek to wipe out Jews in their charter.

You can justify the 1st, but I would love to hear a justification of the 2nd.
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TBH if any group of people had been treated like the Palestinians have by the Israeli's over the past 70 years they'd probably have similar ideas.

Also poverty causes extremism and Israel has ensured grinding poverty for the Palestinians, probably to ensure extremism to provide them more excuse to keep up their occupation and stealing off land...
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You say poverty causes extremism, to justify or understand palestinian violence, hamas and say isis types?

But, you condemn dismiss, and ignore white poverty in the uk, usa and europe leading to Brexit, anti- hilary white anger, ukip, Far right in Europe and russia.

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Cal

Is there also a Wikipedia page about how Israel have continued to build new towns and homes for Israeli citizens in direct refusal to abide with UN rulings?

thebluebellls

So the fact that some white people are poor degenerates the fact that black people are disproportionately poor?