In a world where Donald Trump is derided by lefties for rhetoric, a man who actually murdered opponents, dehumanised and interned homosexuals in camps, and killed many of his own citizens extrajudicially is feted as a hero.

Funny old world

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 53 minutes ago
In a world where Donald Trump is derided by lefties for rhetoric, a man who actually murdered opponents, dehumanised and interned homosexuals in camps, and killed many of his own citizens extrajudicially is feted as a hero.

Funny old world
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Eh?

Being of the left is a crime?

Not sure that's actually the definition of a fascist........

Not a great guy, did plenty wrong but there have been many world leaders far far worse than him, did more for the poor in Cuba than the capitalists who came before him, did more for the average people than many other leaders in the area.

Not sure that's actually the definition of a fascist........

Not a great guy, did plenty wrong but there have been many world leaders far far worse than him, did more for the poor in Cuba than the capitalists who came before him, did more for the average people than many other leaders in the area.
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Think you need to read this article before you make statements like that

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-fidel-castro-myth-debunked-the-death-of-a-tyrant-not-a-hero/

141,000 people murdered by his troops in 1987! Plus his so called social services & healthcare were somewhat of a myth.......................

Sorry, that should have been up to 1987....................

I'll point out again he really wasn't a great guy and I am not suggesting him for a nobel peace prize or anything.

Or maybe I should put it another way, Castro was terrible. Unfortunately what came before him and others have actually been even worse than him, he was just widely unpopular in the west because he didn't support our world view, many far worse than him had enthusiastic western support and thus probably won't get half as much criticism....

Can't see quite so much smugness from our right wing friends when apartheid south Africa's leader dies, because despite the fact he's far worse than Castro he's more politically aligned to the wests world view...

Plus his so called social services & healthcare were somewhat of a myth.......................
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Population of 11 million, 55,000 healthcare workers deployed to 66 countries worldwide.

But it's a myth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11375422/Cuban-doctors-take-leading-role-in-fighting-Ebola.html

Population of 11 million, 55,000 healthcare workers deployed to 66 countries worldwide.

But it's a myth.
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The myth is that the health service in Cuba is great, it isn't at all.

Its a 3 tier system, top tier for Government officials, 2nd tier for other public sector luminaries and the 3rd and extremely basic and ill equipped service for the workers.

Those workers abroad are why Cuba is short of doctors at home

I'd be interested to see it compared to other countries health systems with similar wealth...

I imagine there's a fair few capitalist countries quite a bit richer but not as good as the Cuban system.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the Cuban government spends a greater percentage on healthcare than some of the Western countries, us capitalists need to keep our money to bomb the crap out of poor people other countries...

Freedom bombs though so its all good....

Greaves

You're wrong.

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/5/08-030508/en/

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 4 hours, 36 minutes ago

Can't see quite so much smugness from our right wing friends when apartheid south Africa's leader dies, because despite the fact he's far worse than Castro he's more politically aligned to the wests world view...
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The difference here being Castro is a hero of the comrade left, whereas you would struggle to find a rightwinger glorifying the SA leader

Yeah you just get them branding those that oppose their oppression like Nelson Mandela terrorists.

Also I'd point out if we are talking hero Che with his face on multiple shirts probably fits the bill better.... although neither have quite the popularity of the uncle adolf amongst the extreme on the right....

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 hours, 48 minutes ago
Plus his so called social services & healthcare were somewhat of a myth.......................
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Population of 11 million, 55,000 healthcare workers deployed to 66 countries worldwide.

But it's a myth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11375422/Cuban-doctors-take-leading-role-in-fighting-Ebola.html

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Aye, Corbyn likes castro, so he must be nice.

Gay folk and trade unions were butchered under castro.


Human rights abuse and murder from a leftist nationalist tyrant.Mass repression, murdering bassa.
Why did cuban folk go to free America, and now vote Trump?😉

But, but the healthcare was better.

Thank goodness the working classes and people in general are dumping the leftist dregs who defend the vermin like castro, because he was one of their mad evil left cabal.

Racist malcolm x and anc mandela backed gay hater Castro, so he must be nice, ffs.

As long as he hated America,,murder, torture and abuse is ok, according to loony left.

Thebells

Have you really just called Malcolm X and Nelson Mandela racist?

Malcom x and the black power movement, black panthers and nation of islam are racist......read their anti-white and racial separation views.

South Africa is now a corrupt basket case, led by black clowns, instead of white one's.

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
Thebells

Have you really just called Malcolm X and Nelson Mandela racist?
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Did you miss the bits on Castro who murdered cuban's, tried to educate gay folk to be straight, oppressed dissent, shot at cuban people fleeing for america, curtailed trade unions and any opposition?

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Thebells

Have you really just called Malcolm X and Nelson Mandela racist?
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TBH they were (to the best of my knowledge) generally left wing politically, so TBAB will naturally tag them with any negative description he can.

In fairness he does seem to be one of these paranoid white guys who think everyone is out to get them...

Check out him excusing apartheid south Africa, just like that other champion of the right Thatcher who branded Mandela a terrorist, the hypocrites couldn't care less about what they do to people....

Castro's predecessor was worse, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is he didn't do what the West wanted, the worst crime of all in a right wingers eyes.

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 13 hours, 38 minutes ago
Yeah you just get them branding those that oppose their oppression like Nelson Mandela terrorists.

Also I'd point out if we are talking hero Che with his face on multiple shirts probably fits the bill better.... although neither have quite the popularity of the uncle adolf amongst the extreme on the right....
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Che and Castro are bedfellows.

Yeah, Adolf will have fans on the extreme right.

Difference being you do not have to go very far left for a Castro love-in. It is pretty mainstream Socialist opinion for someone who was a murdering homosexual hater among other things.

A monster is a monster, regardless of if he is better than his predecessor. Irrelevant. A dogsheet sandwich may taste better than a catsheet sandwich, but both are ultimately sheet sandwiches.

This guy being feted for "seeing off" US presidents . Pretty easy when one post can only serve 8yrs maximum while the man in the other post can simply crush and kill his opposition without a mandate from the populace. Good for him though eh.

Lest we forget Diane Abbott saying on balance Mao did more good than harm .

Imagine Phillip Hammond openly saying Hitler did more harm than good. That he may have killed a huge amount of people, but he had the country thriving. It would disgust everyone, right and left, and rightly so.

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The Right supremacists like those on this thread are a joke,if you're not white, if you're seeking healthcare, asylum, equality in society, a better standard of life you can fk off. Everything in their little utopian bubble is black and white, myopic muppets.
They'll use anything to make their point, tribal headcases that think Corbyn and Castro are really the same person.

Che and Castro are bedfellows.
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I'm not sure that transfers hero status....

Eric Cantona is my hero but David May, who played in the same side as him, is not.

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Difference being you do not have to go very far left for a Castro love-in. It is pretty mainstream Socialist opinion for someone who was a murdering homosexual hater among other things.
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TBH I just see accurate assessments of him, rather than the hysterical ranting of the right which would make you think he was one of the biggest monsters in the world up there with Adolf.

You see the right only really have one problem with him, he disobeyed the West.

He was no worse than those other hero's of the West like the leaders of Apartheid South Africa or Pinochet, hell he was at least better than what came before him unlike those right wing hero's.

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A monster is a monster, regardless of if he is better than his predecessor. Irrelevant. A dogsheet sandwich may taste better than a catsheet sandwich, but both are ultimately sheet sandwiches.
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I'm sure sitting comfortably in your nice warm safe house in Britain you couldn't care less if the Cuban people could have suffered under a far greater monster.

You have preferred it actually, because you don't actually care about his crimes against people, he committed the biggest crime, he didn't follow the West's orders.

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Imagine Phillip Hammond openly saying Hitler did more harm than good. That he may have killed a huge amount of people, but he had the country thriving. It would disgust everyone, right and left, and rightly so.
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There is certainly more of an argument for the former than the latter.

I am not backing the argument but Mao was a big part in turning China from a rural backwards country into one of the worlds emerging superpowers....

Adolf did very little to actually improve Germany, even things like the autobahns were already in the works before he came. He achieved a little bit of economic growth and more employment although part of that was the world economy recovering anyway...

Also what came after would have clearly wiped that progress out.

Although admittedly that was quite a calm rational look at it, as a non right winger I don't see the label communist and lose my ability to think...

Cuba’s official healthcare statistics (upon which this question is based) are produced by a state allowing no independent verification. Placing blind trust in those statistics is like evaluating the Russian Revolution on the basis of Lenin’s autobiography. It is, in a word, naïve.


Leonardo Moran................Born in Cuba and now living in Florida.

Does Cuba have the best healthcare in the World?

It seems only fair and reasonable to therefore ask:

Why would people try to escape “the best healthcare system in the world” by strapping themselves to anything that can float, attempt to survive random shark attacks, until eventually making landfall somewhere in Florida, to live ever after under an oppressive, unequal, and grossly inferior health care system?

Because, at last count, 63,000 have done so, and 16,000 drowned making the attempt.

From The Myth of Cuban Health Care:

…There is excellent health care on Cuba — just not for ordinary Cubans. Dr. Jaime Suchlicki of the University of Miami’s Institute for Cuban and Cuban-American Studies explains that there is not just one system, or even two: There are three. The first is for foreigners and is known as “medical tourism.”

The second health-care system is for Cuban elites — the Party, the military…and so on.

Then there is the real Cuban system, the one that ordinary people must use — and it is wretched. Testimony and documentation on the subject are vast. Hospitals and clinics are crumbling. Conditions are so unsanitary, patients may be better off at home, whatever home is. If they do have to go to the hospital, they must bring their own bed sheets, soap, towels, food, light bulbs — even toilet paper. And basic medications are scarce…finding an aspirin can be a chore. And an antibiotic will fetch a fortune on the black market.

The equipment that doctors have to work with is either antiquated or nonexistent. Doctors have been known to reuse latex gloves — there is no choice. When they travel to the island, on errands of mercy, American doctors make sure to take as much equipment and as many supplies as they can carry. One told the Associated Press, “The [Cuban] doctors are pretty well trained, but they have nothing to work with. It’s like operating with knives and spoons.”

Hilda Molina Morejón was the country’s chief neurosurgeon, the founder of the International Center for Neurological Restoration. In the early 1990s, however, the regime informed her that the neurological center would start concentrating on foreigners, who would bring their hard currency. She objected, resigning her positions and returning the medals that Castro had awarded her. She has been forbidden to leave the island, and is banned from practicing medicine. She manages, despite the circumstances, to speak out.

“Live not by lies!” said Solzhenitsyn. “Live not by lies!” And yet Cuban Communism and its enablers have lived by them for a half-century…