W.H.O. figures have it as 39th in the world, UK is 18th.
Not an exile with an agenda.
Don't forget W.H.O. relies on Cuba's own statistics
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 hours, 58 minutes ago
The Right supremacists like those on this thread are a joke,if you're not white, if you're seeking healthcare, asylum, equality in society, a better standard of life you can fk off. Everything in their little utopian bubble is black and white, myopic muppets.
They'll use anything to make their point, tribal headcases that think Corbyn and Castro are really the same person.
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You go girl.....right supremacist is a new wan.
Loving the support for the facist pwick, Castro, draped in a red star fleg, thus excused for abusing gay cubans, killing kids, using prison and labour camps to curtail oposition. ..Amnesty have highlighted the leftist fawnng for the fekker fidel.Not the right supremacists?
Simply hating america and taking billions from the old ussr does not equate to nice man or successful tyranny.
This gibberish about only backing whites is so boring frm thedullard leftists, as who knows what colour folk here are and who cares, apart from loony sizzle?
I support healthcare, asylum, immigration between states and do not back western foreign policy, but hec knows best, coz hec is on da left.....those who thought they were on the right side of history, until recent elections😉
More "thick racist deplorables" about than yeez thought, kranky sturgeon, hilary, jezza, abbott, lady gaga, geldoff, sprinstein et al, ya stuck up shower😀
I see murder master gerry adams is going to see rat castro's funeral, as the beardy vermin were comrades in slaughter.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 31 minutes ago
W.H.O. figures have it as 39th in the world, UK is 18th.
Not an exile with an agenda.
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Fak aff ya apologist for any leftist murdering freak..
Why was he an exile, ya halfwit?
Horrible wee man, ye are hec.
Did you like how castro treated gay folk, as not sure yer as open mnded on some issues?
Better than a hypocrite tbab, how does pal Putin treat the gays?
No shades of grey with your ilk, haters gonna hate.
My pal Putin, yet a few weeks ago I was slated for allegedly downplaying the lead role Russia took against hitler....no doubt my german pal, adolf, lol😃
So hard being a hater of russia and friend of putin at the same time, in Hecworld😨
I dislike pinochet, castro, farc, hitler, facism, apartheid, isis, bigotry, communism, racism, western foreign policies, homophobia, islamophobia, but yea, am a hatey mchaterðŸ˜
You're a hypocrite.
You see the world in black and white and berate anyone that doesn't agree with your monochrome world view.
Recently, I thought it best to disagree with yanks, such as hilary and obama, who sought a confrontation with Russia, as that would be the logical consequence of their no-fly zone in Syria.
Warmonger hilary, of libya and iraw fame was actually trumped by donald, who was quite diplomatic regarding the Russian situation, in Syria, and Criimea.
Pulling western forces back from islamist conflicts is a wise move, imo, as is not starting a fight WW3 with russia.
Castro was credited with spreading communist revolt in africa and south america
One example are farc, pira buddies, who have killed hundreds of thousands of Columbians.
Bless wee castro for this legacy.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
You're a hypocrite.
You see the world in black and white and berate anyone that doesn't agree with your monochrome world view.
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Pot kettle, you phanny, and yet again, you boringly go personal wi supremacist, tribal, white racist jibes, then cry like baby if I reply.
As I said before when you had yer sectarian head on with me this summer, feel free not to comment on my posts or threads if they offend your world view and political agenda.
Massive shades of grey and not black and white with my views on western foreign policy, putin, russia, islam, catholicism, born again christianity, feminism, lgbt issues, football, depression, comedy, sexism, racism, death penalty, etc etc.
You are an arrogant slabber, with a dislke of non left wing Rangers fans, fae an Ulster prod and loyalist background, but kee telling yersel you are a right on guy😉
Not only is this not your thread, youre once again telling porkies. Please delve back and show me where i was sectarian, there's a good lad.
You post provocatively to get a reaction then cry like a little girl when you succeed. Its hilarious.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Not only is this not your thread, youre once again telling porkies. Please delve back and show me where i was sectarian, there's a good lad.
You post provocatively to get a reaction then cry like a little girl when you succeed. Its hilarious.
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Did I say this was my thread...no.
I said feel free not to reply to my posts or my threads, to cover all bases.You are always popping up with snide digs, and I do not mind, but you get foaming at the mouth and churn out bile, labels and lies.
I then reply, and you greet about me being a bigot, racist, white or right supremacist, loyalist apologist, orange supporter, tribal hater extremist.,
So, you hurl that and expect what in return, ya halfwit?
Fire away, and believe me hec, I take you as seriously as I take any other wum.
The days of leftist rule and republican leftist revisionism are over, and I do not take lectures from any man or woman on this earth, so kiss my, "supremacist" ass, lad.
Trying to tell me what to do now, fkn priceless.
Your imagination us running overtime, take that chip off your shoulder, man-up and accept the fact not everyone shares your views and if you post provocation it'll come back at you. Your insults are childish and just show you up as an ill educated oaf, is that who you are?
This glee you have, that you seem to be excited about, the death of liberalism, the rise of the right. You espouse freedom of sexuality, religion and speech, they only exist in this world because of liberal ideals.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 20 hours, 58 minutes ago
Che and Castro are bedfellows.
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I'm not sure that transfers hero status....
Eric Cantona is my hero but David May, who played in the same side as him, is not.
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I ASSUME ALEX FERGUSON IS A HERO THOUGH RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE MAN IN CHARGE LONG AFTER CANTONA LEFT.
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Difference being you do not have to go very far left for a Castro love-in. It is pretty mainstream Socialist opinion for someone who was a murdering homosexual hater among other things.
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TBH I just see accurate assessments of him, rather than the hysterical ranting of the right which would make you think he was one of the biggest monsters in the world up there with Adolf.
You see the right only really have one problem with him, he disobeyed the West.
He was no worse than those other hero's of the West like the leaders of Apartheid South Africa or Pinochet, hell he was at least better than what came before him unlike those right wing hero's.
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WHO SAYS PINOCHET IS A HERO OF ANYONE IN THE WEST? I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAING THAT HE WAS A BRUTAL DICTATOR. DITTO THE SA REGIME. ABHORRENT.
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT OR LEFT, DICTATORS THAT MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BE LAUDED IN MY BOOK
IF TRUMP TURNED AMERICA ROUND, BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF INTERNING HOMOSEXUALS AND KILLING ANY AMERICAN WHO TRIED TO LEAVE HE WOULD BE VILIFIED AS A MONSTER AND RiGHTLY SO. BECAUSE CASTRO IS AN IDEOLOGUE HIS CRIMES ARE SOMEHOW EXCUSED. FROM PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY MORE SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS THAN THOSE NASTY OLD RIGHTWINGERS.
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A monster is a monster, regardless of if he is better than his predecessor. Irrelevant. A dogsheet sandwich may taste better than a catsheet sandwich, but both are ultimately sheet sandwiches.
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I'm sure sitting comfortably in your nice warm safe house in Britain you couldn't care less if the Cuban people could have suffered under a far greater monster.
You have preferred it actually, because you don't actually care about his crimes against people, he committed the biggest crime, he didn't follow the West's orders.
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IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF I WAS IN A COSY HOUSE, A CARDBOARD BOX OR A PALACE - IT CHANGES NOT WHAT CASTRO DID. I AM SURE YOUR WORDS (ALSO FROM YOUR COSY WESTERN HOUSE I MUST ADD) ARE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER HIM FOR NOT SHARING HIS WORLD VIEW.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PIT ONE MONSTER AGAINST ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOOK GOOD? WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY BOTH WERE MONSTERS? REGARDLESS OF BEING WESTERN BACKED OR WESTERN ENEMIES.
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Imagine Phillip Hammond openly saying Hitler did more harm than good. That he may have killed a huge amount of people, but he had the country thriving. It would disgust everyone, right and left, and rightly so.
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There is certainly more of an argument for the former than the latter.
I am not backing the argument but Mao was a big part in turning China from a rural backwards country into one of the worlds emerging superpowers....
Adolf did very little to actually improve Germany, even things like the autobahns were already in the works before he came. He achieved a little bit of economic growth and more employment although part of that was the world economy recovering anyway...
Also what came after would have clearly wiped that progress out.
Although admittedly that was quite a calm rational look at it, as a non right winger I don't see the label communist and lose my ability to think
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MAO KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
ANYONE WHO ATTEMPTS TO JUSTIFY THIS IS AN IDIOT. IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF EVERYONE HAD A GOLD TOILET AFTER, HE STILL KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
Saying Mao did more good than harm is like saying Jimmy Savile did more good than harm.
I mean, Jimmy raised 40 million for charity. Surely that is worth the abuse right?
I ASSUME ALEX FERGUSON IS A HERO THOUGH RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE MAN IN CHARGE LONG AFTER CANTONA LEFT.
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Yeah but the various CEO's, who were also in charge long after Cantona left are not....
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WHO SAYS PINOCHET IS A HERO OF ANYONE IN THE WEST? I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAING THAT HE WAS A BRUTAL DICTATOR. DITTO THE SA REGIME. ABHORRENT.
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Thatcher, that hero of the right was good friends with both, branded the opposition to apartheid south Africa Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Certainly bigger hero's the right than the likes of Castro, Mao and Stalin are to the left....
TBH the fact you would try and make an equivalency between Castro and Apartheid South Africa says it all...
Hey Franco killed people and so did Adolf I guess they are both equally bad people?
Or...
Or...
Is there actually a difference between the two?
Despite the fact they were both murderous brutal dictators one was considerably worse than the other.
Also I would just like to add that even if Franco was a communist then Adolf was still the worse one, controversial I know....
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THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT OR LEFT, DICTATORS THAT MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BE LAUDED IN MY BOOK
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Then you don't know your own side very well at all.
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IF TRUMP TURNED AMERICA ROUND, BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF INTERNING HOMOSEXUALS
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Sorry what?
If America started persecuting gay people....
So Cuba was like America before Castro took over?
Or are the maybe a few thousand flaws in your example?
Churchill presided over a country where homosexuality was illegal as well, the cynic in me might suggest he was some raving homophobe, the realist might point out that those conditions existed before him and probably aren't that much to do with him...
Castro of course has far less excuse, but its noticeable that this poor backwards Caribbean country keeps getting compared to rich western countries to make it look bad....
Without realising that is the case for the vast majority of countries...
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BECAUSE CASTRO IS AN IDEOLOGUE HIS CRIMES ARE SOMEHOW EXCUSED. FROM PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY MORE SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS THAN THOSE NASTY OLD RIGHTWINGERS.
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They are?
Do we brand his opponents terrorists?
Do we support his evil killing?
No that the hero's of the right Apartheid South Africa and Pinochet done by that other hero of the right Thatcher!
IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF I WAS IN A COSY HOUSE, A CARDBOARD BOX OR A PALACE - IT CHANGES NOT WHAT CASTRO DID. I AM SURE YOUR WORDS (ALSO FROM YOUR COSY WESTERN HOUSE I MUST ADD) ARE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER HIM FOR NOT SHARING HIS WORLD VIEW.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PIT ONE MONSTER AGAINST ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOOK GOOD? WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY BOTH WERE MONSTERS? REGARDLESS OF BEING WESTERN BACKED OR WESTERN ENEMIES.
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Why can't we just accurate assess communist leaders?
Why do right wingers have to try and make out they are worse than they actually are?
Being a communist isn't evil in itself, Castro did plenty of bad things but compared to many capitalist leaders in similar positions he did a lot less worse.
But right wingers don't actually care about any of that, Castro defied the West so angry conservatives look for excuses to be angry at him.
We wouldn't get these kind of celebrations with the deaths of Pinochet or the leaders of Apartheid South Africa who were worse but were capitalists and did what the west wanted.
I couldn't care less TBH, conservatives and the West can go sing and dance for all I care, I care about the actual realities not what some angry western conservative ideologue believes.
MAO KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
ANYONE WHO ATTEMPTS TO JUSTIFY THIS IS AN IDIOT. IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF EVERYONE HAD A GOLD TOILET AFTER, HE STILL KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
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TBH I always had Mao down as a lot more than that although I might be wrong.
I notice how you completely skipped over the whole part about the differences between saying Adolf and saying Mao did some good, I assume you've realised it was a pretty stupid comparison now....
All leaders have pretty much killed people, they are all bad people in that way and their murder shouldn't be justified.
From Cromwell to Churchill Britain has its own spectacularly bloody history. I assume you would be equally down on someone who suggested that Cromwell did more good than harm?
After all the man was a monster, who cares about the hundreds of years of democracy and the economic growth due to him, he killed a hell of a lot of people.
Obviously nowhere near 45 Million, but then the population of England would be nowhere near that at that point, he cut a bloody swathe through our country much like Mao did his, although I would argue, as much of a bloody zealot as he was, that Cromwell was necessary for Britain's evolution and we were better off for having him.
I assume you would disagree?
Whilst looking for the kill figures for Mao I came across this...
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I considered selecting the Great Chinese Famine of 1958-1961 for this entry, because it killed between 15 million and 43 million people over the span of three years
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I think it just emphasises the size of China's population.
Also it points out another element, how many Chinese people would have died had it not been for Mao's work with China?
That is probably where the statement comes from, If China had stayed the backwards state is was before Mao then many millions more would have died from starvation let alone a myriad of other potential killers in a backwards state.
You cannot make any similar argument for Adolf, Germany was struggling a little economically but outside of a very short time frame before the war even the craziest right winger can't make the argument Adolf improved Germany.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 28 minutes ago
IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF I WAS IN A COSY HOUSE, A CARDBOARD BOX OR A PALACE - IT CHANGES NOT WHAT CASTRO DID. I AM SURE YOUR WORDS (ALSO FROM YOUR COSY WESTERN HOUSE I MUST ADD) ARE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER HIM FOR NOT SHARING HIS WORLD VIEW.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PIT ONE MONSTER AGAINST ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOOK GOOD? WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY BOTH WERE MONSTERS? REGARDLESS OF BEING WESTERN BACKED OR WESTERN ENEMIES.
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Why can't we just accurate assess communist leaders?
Why do right wingers have to try and make out they are worse than they actually are?
Being a communist isn't evil in itself, Castro did plenty of bad things but compared to many capitalist leaders in similar positions he did a lot less worse.
But right wingers don't actually care about any of that, Castro defied the West so angry conservatives look for excuses to be angry at him.
We wouldn't get these kind of celebrations with the deaths of Pinochet or the leaders of Apartheid South Africa who were worse but were capitalists and did what the west wanted.
I couldn't care less TBH, conservatives and the West can go sing and dance for all I care, I care about the actual realities not what some angry western conservative ideologue believes.
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Who is celebrating? . Just pointing out the rank hypocrisy those on the left have for Communist leaders crimes. Actually, lets not justify them with the term leader - dictators who crush and murder any opposition. Who do not care for what the people actually want, rather what they believe the people should have.
Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
Communism itself may not be evil, but it does lend itself well to a certain type of bloodthirsty murderer.
The urge to justify atrocities because of a supposed greater good is pretty horrendous to be honest...
It only happens to the far left leaders though, being glorified in this manner.
Who is celebrating?
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The posts certainly have a celebratory tone that you wouldn't expect from conservatives had it been a right wing dictator. The right wing dictators of course didn't commit Castro's biggest crime, defying the West, which lets be honest is all you really care about.
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Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
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TBH In all those countries where it came up the capitalist leaders prior to them were much the same.
The economic system changed but the levels of oppression and freedom did not, maybe this is just a huge coincidence and it is definitely all communisms fault....
Or maybe its not a massive consequence.
When communism has had a chance in a post industrial country that already had democracy it thrived and did well without turning authoritarian. Although it was very brief and not over a whole country Spain, Catalonia before that brutal hero of the right Franco crushed them supported by that other hero of the right Adolf.
Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
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Its actually worth noting that communism has never toppled democracy within its own country, it has replaced dictators with dictators.
Capitalism is the only economic system that has crushed democracy within its own country.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 24 minutes ago
Who is celebrating?
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The posts certainly have a celebratory tone that you wouldn't expect from conservatives had it been a right wing dictator. The right wing dictators of course didn't commit Castro's biggest crime, defying the West, which lets be honest is all you really care about.
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Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
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TBH In all those countries where it came up the capitalist leaders prior to them were much the same.
The economic system changed but the levels of oppression and freedom did not, maybe this is just a huge coincidence and it is definitely all communisms fault....
Or maybe its not a massive consequence.
When communism has had a chance in a post industrial country that already had democracy it thrived and did well without turning authoritarian. Although it was very brief and not over a whole country Spain, Catalonia before that brutal hero of the right Franco crushed them supported by that other hero of the right Adolf.
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Why would I care about Castro defying the West? What happens in Cuba has zero bearing on my life.
I think you are in the ballpark though...it is probably why he gets so much slack.
Capitalism is the only economic system that has crushed democracy within its own country.
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Really? Do you even believe what you are typing?
I find the killing and jailing of your potential opposition (in the event the Communist regimes allowed elections that is) has quite the democracy-crushing type of outcome.
Why would I care about Castro defying the West? What happens in Cuba has zero bearing on my life.
I think you are in the ballpark though...it is probably why he gets so much slack.
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Who? Pinochet or various other right wing dictators? certainly....
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posted on 29/11/16
W.H.O. figures have it as 39th in the world, UK is 18th.
Not an exile with an agenda.
posted on 29/11/16
Don't forget W.H.O. relies on Cuba's own statistics
posted on 29/11/16
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posted on 29/11/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 hours, 58 minutes ago
The Right supremacists like those on this thread are a joke,if you're not white, if you're seeking healthcare, asylum, equality in society, a better standard of life you can fk off. Everything in their little utopian bubble is black and white, myopic muppets.
They'll use anything to make their point, tribal headcases that think Corbyn and Castro are really the same person.
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You go girl.....right supremacist is a new wan.
Loving the support for the facist pwick, Castro, draped in a red star fleg, thus excused for abusing gay cubans, killing kids, using prison and labour camps to curtail oposition. ..Amnesty have highlighted the leftist fawnng for the fekker fidel.Not the right supremacists?
Simply hating america and taking billions from the old ussr does not equate to nice man or successful tyranny.
This gibberish about only backing whites is so boring frm thedullard leftists, as who knows what colour folk here are and who cares, apart from loony sizzle?
I support healthcare, asylum, immigration between states and do not back western foreign policy, but hec knows best, coz hec is on da left.....those who thought they were on the right side of history, until recent elections😉
More "thick racist deplorables" about than yeez thought, kranky sturgeon, hilary, jezza, abbott, lady gaga, geldoff, sprinstein et al, ya stuck up shower😀
I see murder master gerry adams is going to see rat castro's funeral, as the beardy vermin were comrades in slaughter.
posted on 29/11/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 31 minutes ago
W.H.O. figures have it as 39th in the world, UK is 18th.
Not an exile with an agenda.
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Fak aff ya apologist for any leftist murdering freak..
Why was he an exile, ya halfwit?
Horrible wee man, ye are hec.
Did you like how castro treated gay folk, as not sure yer as open mnded on some issues?
posted on 29/11/16
Better than a hypocrite tbab, how does pal Putin treat the gays?
No shades of grey with your ilk, haters gonna hate.
posted on 29/11/16
My pal Putin, yet a few weeks ago I was slated for allegedly downplaying the lead role Russia took against hitler....no doubt my german pal, adolf, lol😃
So hard being a hater of russia and friend of putin at the same time, in Hecworld😨
I dislike pinochet, castro, farc, hitler, facism, apartheid, isis, bigotry, communism, racism, western foreign policies, homophobia, islamophobia, but yea, am a hatey mchaterðŸ˜
posted on 29/11/16
You're a hypocrite.
You see the world in black and white and berate anyone that doesn't agree with your monochrome world view.
posted on 29/11/16
Recently, I thought it best to disagree with yanks, such as hilary and obama, who sought a confrontation with Russia, as that would be the logical consequence of their no-fly zone in Syria.
Warmonger hilary, of libya and iraw fame was actually trumped by donald, who was quite diplomatic regarding the Russian situation, in Syria, and Criimea.
Pulling western forces back from islamist conflicts is a wise move, imo, as is not starting a fight WW3 with russia.
Castro was credited with spreading communist revolt in africa and south america
One example are farc, pira buddies, who have killed hundreds of thousands of Columbians.
Bless wee castro for this legacy.
posted on 29/11/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
You're a hypocrite.
You see the world in black and white and berate anyone that doesn't agree with your monochrome world view.
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Pot kettle, you phanny, and yet again, you boringly go personal wi supremacist, tribal, white racist jibes, then cry like baby if I reply.
As I said before when you had yer sectarian head on with me this summer, feel free not to comment on my posts or threads if they offend your world view and political agenda.
posted on 29/11/16
Massive shades of grey and not black and white with my views on western foreign policy, putin, russia, islam, catholicism, born again christianity, feminism, lgbt issues, football, depression, comedy, sexism, racism, death penalty, etc etc.
You are an arrogant slabber, with a dislke of non left wing Rangers fans, fae an Ulster prod and loyalist background, but kee telling yersel you are a right on guy😉
posted on 29/11/16
Not only is this not your thread, youre once again telling porkies. Please delve back and show me where i was sectarian, there's a good lad.
You post provocatively to get a reaction then cry like a little girl when you succeed. Its hilarious.
posted on 29/11/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Not only is this not your thread, youre once again telling porkies. Please delve back and show me where i was sectarian, there's a good lad.
You post provocatively to get a reaction then cry like a little girl when you succeed. Its hilarious.
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Did I say this was my thread...no.
I said feel free not to reply to my posts or my threads, to cover all bases.You are always popping up with snide digs, and I do not mind, but you get foaming at the mouth and churn out bile, labels and lies.
I then reply, and you greet about me being a bigot, racist, white or right supremacist, loyalist apologist, orange supporter, tribal hater extremist.,
So, you hurl that and expect what in return, ya halfwit?
Fire away, and believe me hec, I take you as seriously as I take any other wum.
The days of leftist rule and republican leftist revisionism are over, and I do not take lectures from any man or woman on this earth, so kiss my, "supremacist" ass, lad.
posted on 29/11/16
Trying to tell me what to do now, fkn priceless.
Your imagination us running overtime, take that chip off your shoulder, man-up and accept the fact not everyone shares your views and if you post provocation it'll come back at you. Your insults are childish and just show you up as an ill educated oaf, is that who you are?
This glee you have, that you seem to be excited about, the death of liberalism, the rise of the right. You espouse freedom of sexuality, religion and speech, they only exist in this world because of liberal ideals.
posted on 30/11/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 20 hours, 58 minutes ago
Che and Castro are bedfellows.
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I'm not sure that transfers hero status....
Eric Cantona is my hero but David May, who played in the same side as him, is not.
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I ASSUME ALEX FERGUSON IS A HERO THOUGH RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE MAN IN CHARGE LONG AFTER CANTONA LEFT.
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Difference being you do not have to go very far left for a Castro love-in. It is pretty mainstream Socialist opinion for someone who was a murdering homosexual hater among other things.
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TBH I just see accurate assessments of him, rather than the hysterical ranting of the right which would make you think he was one of the biggest monsters in the world up there with Adolf.
You see the right only really have one problem with him, he disobeyed the West.
He was no worse than those other hero's of the West like the leaders of Apartheid South Africa or Pinochet, hell he was at least better than what came before him unlike those right wing hero's.
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WHO SAYS PINOCHET IS A HERO OF ANYONE IN THE WEST? I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAING THAT HE WAS A BRUTAL DICTATOR. DITTO THE SA REGIME. ABHORRENT.
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT OR LEFT, DICTATORS THAT MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BE LAUDED IN MY BOOK
IF TRUMP TURNED AMERICA ROUND, BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF INTERNING HOMOSEXUALS AND KILLING ANY AMERICAN WHO TRIED TO LEAVE HE WOULD BE VILIFIED AS A MONSTER AND RiGHTLY SO. BECAUSE CASTRO IS AN IDEOLOGUE HIS CRIMES ARE SOMEHOW EXCUSED. FROM PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY MORE SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS THAN THOSE NASTY OLD RIGHTWINGERS.
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A monster is a monster, regardless of if he is better than his predecessor. Irrelevant. A dogsheet sandwich may taste better than a catsheet sandwich, but both are ultimately sheet sandwiches.
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I'm sure sitting comfortably in your nice warm safe house in Britain you couldn't care less if the Cuban people could have suffered under a far greater monster.
You have preferred it actually, because you don't actually care about his crimes against people, he committed the biggest crime, he didn't follow the West's orders.
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IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF I WAS IN A COSY HOUSE, A CARDBOARD BOX OR A PALACE - IT CHANGES NOT WHAT CASTRO DID. I AM SURE YOUR WORDS (ALSO FROM YOUR COSY WESTERN HOUSE I MUST ADD) ARE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER HIM FOR NOT SHARING HIS WORLD VIEW.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PIT ONE MONSTER AGAINST ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOOK GOOD? WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY BOTH WERE MONSTERS? REGARDLESS OF BEING WESTERN BACKED OR WESTERN ENEMIES.
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Imagine Phillip Hammond openly saying Hitler did more harm than good. That he may have killed a huge amount of people, but he had the country thriving. It would disgust everyone, right and left, and rightly so.
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There is certainly more of an argument for the former than the latter.
I am not backing the argument but Mao was a big part in turning China from a rural backwards country into one of the worlds emerging superpowers....
Adolf did very little to actually improve Germany, even things like the autobahns were already in the works before he came. He achieved a little bit of economic growth and more employment although part of that was the world economy recovering anyway...
Also what came after would have clearly wiped that progress out.
Although admittedly that was quite a calm rational look at it, as a non right winger I don't see the label communist and lose my ability to think
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MAO KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
ANYONE WHO ATTEMPTS TO JUSTIFY THIS IS AN IDIOT. IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF EVERYONE HAD A GOLD TOILET AFTER, HE STILL KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
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Saying Mao did more good than harm is like saying Jimmy Savile did more good than harm.
I mean, Jimmy raised 40 million for charity. Surely that is worth the abuse right?
posted on 30/11/16
I ASSUME ALEX FERGUSON IS A HERO THOUGH RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE MAN IN CHARGE LONG AFTER CANTONA LEFT.
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Yeah but the various CEO's, who were also in charge long after Cantona left are not....
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WHO SAYS PINOCHET IS A HERO OF ANYONE IN THE WEST? I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAING THAT HE WAS A BRUTAL DICTATOR. DITTO THE SA REGIME. ABHORRENT.
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Thatcher, that hero of the right was good friends with both, branded the opposition to apartheid south Africa Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Certainly bigger hero's the right than the likes of Castro, Mao and Stalin are to the left....
TBH the fact you would try and make an equivalency between Castro and Apartheid South Africa says it all...
Hey Franco killed people and so did Adolf I guess they are both equally bad people?
Or...
Or...
Is there actually a difference between the two?
Despite the fact they were both murderous brutal dictators one was considerably worse than the other.
Also I would just like to add that even if Franco was a communist then Adolf was still the worse one, controversial I know....
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THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT OR LEFT, DICTATORS THAT MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BE LAUDED IN MY BOOK
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Then you don't know your own side very well at all.
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IF TRUMP TURNED AMERICA ROUND, BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF INTERNING HOMOSEXUALS
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Sorry what?
If America started persecuting gay people....
So Cuba was like America before Castro took over?
Or are the maybe a few thousand flaws in your example?
Churchill presided over a country where homosexuality was illegal as well, the cynic in me might suggest he was some raving homophobe, the realist might point out that those conditions existed before him and probably aren't that much to do with him...
Castro of course has far less excuse, but its noticeable that this poor backwards Caribbean country keeps getting compared to rich western countries to make it look bad....
Without realising that is the case for the vast majority of countries...
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BECAUSE CASTRO IS AN IDEOLOGUE HIS CRIMES ARE SOMEHOW EXCUSED. FROM PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY MORE SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS THAN THOSE NASTY OLD RIGHTWINGERS.
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They are?
Do we brand his opponents terrorists?
Do we support his evil killing?
No that the hero's of the right Apartheid South Africa and Pinochet done by that other hero of the right Thatcher!
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IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF I WAS IN A COSY HOUSE, A CARDBOARD BOX OR A PALACE - IT CHANGES NOT WHAT CASTRO DID. I AM SURE YOUR WORDS (ALSO FROM YOUR COSY WESTERN HOUSE I MUST ADD) ARE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER HIM FOR NOT SHARING HIS WORLD VIEW.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PIT ONE MONSTER AGAINST ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOOK GOOD? WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY BOTH WERE MONSTERS? REGARDLESS OF BEING WESTERN BACKED OR WESTERN ENEMIES.
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Why can't we just accurate assess communist leaders?
Why do right wingers have to try and make out they are worse than they actually are?
Being a communist isn't evil in itself, Castro did plenty of bad things but compared to many capitalist leaders in similar positions he did a lot less worse.
But right wingers don't actually care about any of that, Castro defied the West so angry conservatives look for excuses to be angry at him.
We wouldn't get these kind of celebrations with the deaths of Pinochet or the leaders of Apartheid South Africa who were worse but were capitalists and did what the west wanted.
I couldn't care less TBH, conservatives and the West can go sing and dance for all I care, I care about the actual realities not what some angry western conservative ideologue believes.
posted on 30/11/16
MAO KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
ANYONE WHO ATTEMPTS TO JUSTIFY THIS IS AN IDIOT. IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF EVERYONE HAD A GOLD TOILET AFTER, HE STILL KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE
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TBH I always had Mao down as a lot more than that although I might be wrong.
I notice how you completely skipped over the whole part about the differences between saying Adolf and saying Mao did some good, I assume you've realised it was a pretty stupid comparison now....
All leaders have pretty much killed people, they are all bad people in that way and their murder shouldn't be justified.
From Cromwell to Churchill Britain has its own spectacularly bloody history. I assume you would be equally down on someone who suggested that Cromwell did more good than harm?
After all the man was a monster, who cares about the hundreds of years of democracy and the economic growth due to him, he killed a hell of a lot of people.
Obviously nowhere near 45 Million, but then the population of England would be nowhere near that at that point, he cut a bloody swathe through our country much like Mao did his, although I would argue, as much of a bloody zealot as he was, that Cromwell was necessary for Britain's evolution and we were better off for having him.
I assume you would disagree?
Whilst looking for the kill figures for Mao I came across this...
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I considered selecting the Great Chinese Famine of 1958-1961 for this entry, because it killed between 15 million and 43 million people over the span of three years
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I think it just emphasises the size of China's population.
Also it points out another element, how many Chinese people would have died had it not been for Mao's work with China?
That is probably where the statement comes from, If China had stayed the backwards state is was before Mao then many millions more would have died from starvation let alone a myriad of other potential killers in a backwards state.
You cannot make any similar argument for Adolf, Germany was struggling a little economically but outside of a very short time frame before the war even the craziest right winger can't make the argument Adolf improved Germany.
posted on 30/11/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 28 minutes ago
IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF I WAS IN A COSY HOUSE, A CARDBOARD BOX OR A PALACE - IT CHANGES NOT WHAT CASTRO DID. I AM SURE YOUR WORDS (ALSO FROM YOUR COSY WESTERN HOUSE I MUST ADD) ARE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER HIM FOR NOT SHARING HIS WORLD VIEW.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PIT ONE MONSTER AGAINST ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOOK GOOD? WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY BOTH WERE MONSTERS? REGARDLESS OF BEING WESTERN BACKED OR WESTERN ENEMIES.
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Why can't we just accurate assess communist leaders?
Why do right wingers have to try and make out they are worse than they actually are?
Being a communist isn't evil in itself, Castro did plenty of bad things but compared to many capitalist leaders in similar positions he did a lot less worse.
But right wingers don't actually care about any of that, Castro defied the West so angry conservatives look for excuses to be angry at him.
We wouldn't get these kind of celebrations with the deaths of Pinochet or the leaders of Apartheid South Africa who were worse but were capitalists and did what the west wanted.
I couldn't care less TBH, conservatives and the West can go sing and dance for all I care, I care about the actual realities not what some angry western conservative ideologue believes.
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Who is celebrating? . Just pointing out the rank hypocrisy those on the left have for Communist leaders crimes. Actually, lets not justify them with the term leader - dictators who crush and murder any opposition. Who do not care for what the people actually want, rather what they believe the people should have.
Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
Communism itself may not be evil, but it does lend itself well to a certain type of bloodthirsty murderer.
The urge to justify atrocities because of a supposed greater good is pretty horrendous to be honest...
It only happens to the far left leaders though, being glorified in this manner.
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Who is celebrating?
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The posts certainly have a celebratory tone that you wouldn't expect from conservatives had it been a right wing dictator. The right wing dictators of course didn't commit Castro's biggest crime, defying the West, which lets be honest is all you really care about.
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Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
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TBH In all those countries where it came up the capitalist leaders prior to them were much the same.
The economic system changed but the levels of oppression and freedom did not, maybe this is just a huge coincidence and it is definitely all communisms fault....
Or maybe its not a massive consequence.
When communism has had a chance in a post industrial country that already had democracy it thrived and did well without turning authoritarian. Although it was very brief and not over a whole country Spain, Catalonia before that brutal hero of the right Franco crushed them supported by that other hero of the right Adolf.
posted on 30/11/16
Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
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Its actually worth noting that communism has never toppled democracy within its own country, it has replaced dictators with dictators.
Capitalism is the only economic system that has crushed democracy within its own country.
posted on 30/11/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 24 minutes ago
Who is celebrating?
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The posts certainly have a celebratory tone that you wouldn't expect from conservatives had it been a right wing dictator. The right wing dictators of course didn't commit Castro's biggest crime, defying the West, which lets be honest is all you really care about.
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Is there a single Comminist regime that has not brutally subjucated its people and murdered opposition? Has there been a succesful one where the people themselves pick a leader, rather than having one picked for them?
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TBH In all those countries where it came up the capitalist leaders prior to them were much the same.
The economic system changed but the levels of oppression and freedom did not, maybe this is just a huge coincidence and it is definitely all communisms fault....
Or maybe its not a massive consequence.
When communism has had a chance in a post industrial country that already had democracy it thrived and did well without turning authoritarian. Although it was very brief and not over a whole country Spain, Catalonia before that brutal hero of the right Franco crushed them supported by that other hero of the right Adolf.
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Why would I care about Castro defying the West? What happens in Cuba has zero bearing on my life.
I think you are in the ballpark though...it is probably why he gets so much slack.
posted on 30/11/16
Capitalism is the only economic system that has crushed democracy within its own country.
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Really? Do you even believe what you are typing?
I find the killing and jailing of your potential opposition (in the event the Communist regimes allowed elections that is) has quite the democracy-crushing type of outcome.
posted on 30/11/16
Why would I care about Castro defying the West? What happens in Cuba has zero bearing on my life.
I think you are in the ballpark though...it is probably why he gets so much slack.
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Who? Pinochet or various other right wing dictators? certainly....
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