I often find there is a huge disconnect in most peoples minds between what we do and what 'they' do.
Some innocent woman was killed, shot in the face I think, during a raid.
If terrorists did this or a dictator in another country it'd be pretty shocking.
The raid though was on a big opponent of the West, Bin Laden, the innocent woman his wife.... so it all seemed to be very much glossed over.
The guys involved are hero's with no mention of the fact they killed some innocent woman.
Bin Laden did kill 3,000+ Americans with 9/11 and smaller numbers in other incidents over the years...
But would we then similarly gloss over the deaths of Cherie Blair or Bush's wife if the operation was reversed or would it be the callous killing of an innocent woman by evil brainwashed extremists?
Another example might be Lee Rigby, if our soldiers kill a terrorist (regardless of whether he is on duty or off duty) it is good, if a terrorist kills one of our soldiers then it is the evil actions of an extremist.
Take the politics out of it and basically there seems to be an idea that we should be allowed to kill others but they shouldn't be allowed to kill us, or if they do kill us then that makes them bad.
Of course the politics is an important part of it, but that only really justifies our beliefs if we really are the good guys doing everything right, and even the most biased pro westerner must admit our foreign policy is at least based on our own benefit rather than some altruistic goal.
Perhaps Israel should take up Communism if they want to be looked on favourably
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 seconds ago
Perhaps Israel should take up Communism if they want to be looked on favourably
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The Palestinians would go from terrorist extremists to oppressed freedom fighters like a flash....
Be nice in a way because we'd dislike both sides so might actually get a bit of a fairer view of the conflict.
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Yeah I guess that's partially why the Soviets backed them with arms very early on, both the superpowers were making a play for Israel.
TBH given the way we back Israel I don't think them turning communist would actually change much really.
If they became an enemy of the West then they would be portrayed in a very different way.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
As opposed to those on the left who defended the record of the likes of Mao, Lenin and Stalin
....................................
No sane person can 'defend' mass murder regardless of their hue of politics.
We are taught about the multiple wars that have been fought throughout history, from Julius Casear to Earl Haig, is there is an argument to say they are mass murderers as they knowingly committed their troops to slaughter or be slaughtered for political aims?
Nelson against the Jacobites, Wellington/Napoleon, and the most callous of them all Truman against the Japanese who had bombed Pearl harbour for political gains. They no doubt all thought they were doing the right thing but they were all against an enemy who's politics they disagreed with.
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Fair points.
Just to clarify, I do not defend apartheid, white supremacy , and know folk claiming to be christian are not always liberal.
I am not a Trump fan, and actually dislike the man, with his ego and crass personality.
I have only posted about Putin in recent weeks, and am not a fan of him either.
I am intetested in how those who claim to be liberalleft go all anti- democratic, if the so called thick racist ebs vote the wrong way, or hold different views
I oppose right and left and other lunatics, in Castro or Pinochet, mugabe or assad.
I actually defend liberal values, banging on against all racism, natzi nutters, uvf or pira skum, and of course islamist murder gangs....while also countering all fundamentalism, homophobia, sexism against women and men, and thick dregs who just shout f allah etc.
Just sayin like 😊
TBAB
Appreciate the clarification.
The escalations on here, with hindsight, are hilarious. Wouldn't be the first time I've read and/or participated in threads where posters take a stance and being a bunch of stubborn cants that refuse to cede an inch things frequently get out of hand.
As it stands, although they go against my wishes, I HOPE Brexit works, I HOPE Trump isn't as scary as his campaign rhetoric but Putin will always be a baldy wee bassa who's mid-life crisis could very well bring the end-of-days.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 hours, 35 minutes ago
TBAB
Appreciate the clarification.
The escalations on here, with hindsight, are hilarious. Wouldn't be the first time I've read and/or participated in threads where posters take a stance and being a bunch of stubborn cants that refuse to cede an inch things frequently get out of hand.
As it stands, although they go against my wishes, I HOPE Brexit works, I HOPE Trump isn't as scary as his campaign rhetoric but Putin will always be a baldy wee bassa who's mid-life crisis could very well bring the end-of-days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thran Ulster Scots that we are, Hec 😀
Brexit in tory hands could be a problem, and it really is the great unknown now.Still, glad I voted leave.A patriotic working class movement is now global,, bucking globalization, rich elites, hardline socialsm and rampant capitalism.
Trump is bluster personified, but the establishment elite hilary, calling fifty million voters deplorables seriously backfired.
Trump may be safer than the clinton's regarding russia, midldle east, nato, and sadly we may have to do deals wi Assad and Putin, to curb isis.
Austria and France could collapse the Eu with le Pen and Freedom party polling well, from a radical populist perspective.
hardline socialsm and rampant capitalism.
...............................
Not sure how one action could stop both...
Although TBH I'm not sure what crazy world you live in if you think hardline socialism is doing anything in Britain...
Regular socialism is struggling enough...
If you aren't a fan of socialism you generally end up supporting the globalisation, rich elites and rampant capitalism...
I don't know why you keep group socialists with capitalists.... it's like claiming Corbyn and Thatcher/Blair are the same...
If they were the media wouldn't have made such a fuss about Corbyn, he's outside the establishment... so right up your alley...
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 16 hours, 37 minutes ago
hardline socialsm and rampant capitalism.
...............................
Not sure how one action could stop both...
Although TBH I'm not sure what crazy world you live in if you think hardline socialism is doing anything in Britain...
Regular socialism is struggling enough...
If you aren't a fan of socialism you generally end up supporting the globalisation, rich elites and rampant capitalism...
I don't know why you keep group socialists with capitalists.... it's like claiming Corbyn and Thatcher/Blair are the same...
If they were the media wouldn't have made such a fuss about Corbyn, he's outside the establishment... so right up your alley...
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And I am chasing jezza up that alley with a basball bat😀😀😀
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posted on 1/12/16
I often find there is a huge disconnect in most peoples minds between what we do and what 'they' do.
Some innocent woman was killed, shot in the face I think, during a raid.
If terrorists did this or a dictator in another country it'd be pretty shocking.
The raid though was on a big opponent of the West, Bin Laden, the innocent woman his wife.... so it all seemed to be very much glossed over.
The guys involved are hero's with no mention of the fact they killed some innocent woman.
Bin Laden did kill 3,000+ Americans with 9/11 and smaller numbers in other incidents over the years...
But would we then similarly gloss over the deaths of Cherie Blair or Bush's wife if the operation was reversed or would it be the callous killing of an innocent woman by evil brainwashed extremists?
Another example might be Lee Rigby, if our soldiers kill a terrorist (regardless of whether he is on duty or off duty) it is good, if a terrorist kills one of our soldiers then it is the evil actions of an extremist.
Take the politics out of it and basically there seems to be an idea that we should be allowed to kill others but they shouldn't be allowed to kill us, or if they do kill us then that makes them bad.
Of course the politics is an important part of it, but that only really justifies our beliefs if we really are the good guys doing everything right, and even the most biased pro westerner must admit our foreign policy is at least based on our own benefit rather than some altruistic goal.
posted on 1/12/16
Perhaps Israel should take up Communism if they want to be looked on favourably
posted on 1/12/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 seconds ago
Perhaps Israel should take up Communism if they want to be looked on favourably
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Palestinians would go from terrorist extremists to oppressed freedom fighters like a flash....
Be nice in a way because we'd dislike both sides so might actually get a bit of a fairer view of the conflict.
posted on 1/12/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 1/12/16
Yeah I guess that's partially why the Soviets backed them with arms very early on, both the superpowers were making a play for Israel.
TBH given the way we back Israel I don't think them turning communist would actually change much really.
If they became an enemy of the West then they would be portrayed in a very different way.
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
As opposed to those on the left who defended the record of the likes of Mao, Lenin and Stalin
....................................
No sane person can 'defend' mass murder regardless of their hue of politics.
We are taught about the multiple wars that have been fought throughout history, from Julius Casear to Earl Haig, is there is an argument to say they are mass murderers as they knowingly committed their troops to slaughter or be slaughtered for political aims?
Nelson against the Jacobites, Wellington/Napoleon, and the most callous of them all Truman against the Japanese who had bombed Pearl harbour for political gains. They no doubt all thought they were doing the right thing but they were all against an enemy who's politics they disagreed with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair points.
Just to clarify, I do not defend apartheid, white supremacy , and know folk claiming to be christian are not always liberal.
I am not a Trump fan, and actually dislike the man, with his ego and crass personality.
I have only posted about Putin in recent weeks, and am not a fan of him either.
I am intetested in how those who claim to be liberalleft go all anti- democratic, if the so called thick racist ebs vote the wrong way, or hold different views
I oppose right and left and other lunatics, in Castro or Pinochet, mugabe or assad.
I actually defend liberal values, banging on against all racism, natzi nutters, uvf or pira skum, and of course islamist murder gangs....while also countering all fundamentalism, homophobia, sexism against women and men, and thick dregs who just shout f allah etc.
Just sayin like 😊
posted on 2/12/16
Democracy is dead.
posted on 2/12/16
TBAB
Appreciate the clarification.
The escalations on here, with hindsight, are hilarious. Wouldn't be the first time I've read and/or participated in threads where posters take a stance and being a bunch of stubborn cants that refuse to cede an inch things frequently get out of hand.
As it stands, although they go against my wishes, I HOPE Brexit works, I HOPE Trump isn't as scary as his campaign rhetoric but Putin will always be a baldy wee bassa who's mid-life crisis could very well bring the end-of-days.
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 hours, 35 minutes ago
TBAB
Appreciate the clarification.
The escalations on here, with hindsight, are hilarious. Wouldn't be the first time I've read and/or participated in threads where posters take a stance and being a bunch of stubborn cants that refuse to cede an inch things frequently get out of hand.
As it stands, although they go against my wishes, I HOPE Brexit works, I HOPE Trump isn't as scary as his campaign rhetoric but Putin will always be a baldy wee bassa who's mid-life crisis could very well bring the end-of-days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thran Ulster Scots that we are, Hec 😀
Brexit in tory hands could be a problem, and it really is the great unknown now.Still, glad I voted leave.A patriotic working class movement is now global,, bucking globalization, rich elites, hardline socialsm and rampant capitalism.
Trump is bluster personified, but the establishment elite hilary, calling fifty million voters deplorables seriously backfired.
Trump may be safer than the clinton's regarding russia, midldle east, nato, and sadly we may have to do deals wi Assad and Putin, to curb isis.
Austria and France could collapse the Eu with le Pen and Freedom party polling well, from a radical populist perspective.
posted on 2/12/16
hardline socialsm and rampant capitalism.
...............................
Not sure how one action could stop both...
Although TBH I'm not sure what crazy world you live in if you think hardline socialism is doing anything in Britain...
Regular socialism is struggling enough...
If you aren't a fan of socialism you generally end up supporting the globalisation, rich elites and rampant capitalism...
I don't know why you keep group socialists with capitalists.... it's like claiming Corbyn and Thatcher/Blair are the same...
If they were the media wouldn't have made such a fuss about Corbyn, he's outside the establishment... so right up your alley...
posted on 3/12/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 16 hours, 37 minutes ago
hardline socialsm and rampant capitalism.
...............................
Not sure how one action could stop both...
Although TBH I'm not sure what crazy world you live in if you think hardline socialism is doing anything in Britain...
Regular socialism is struggling enough...
If you aren't a fan of socialism you generally end up supporting the globalisation, rich elites and rampant capitalism...
I don't know why you keep group socialists with capitalists.... it's like claiming Corbyn and Thatcher/Blair are the same...
If they were the media wouldn't have made such a fuss about Corbyn, he's outside the establishment... so right up your alley...
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And I am chasing jezza up that alley with a basball bat😀😀😀
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