comment by taxidriver (U21039)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robb Debruyn cost city 54 million last year, Gundagon cost City 25 odd million.
Both players have outplaed Pogba this season.
Pogba isnthe hottest player in terms of shirt selling and image rights but football wise he woudnt get into a top 10 midfielder list.
He has loads of talent, that I dont deny but if the question is he world class or done it consistently to be worth 90 million, I am sure even you Robb know the answer.
Why would you even as that wum Niko to come back after 5 years for a player that cost 90 millionIf he is world class he does the business now not after 5 years
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1) you can't use other players prices as a guide as they came under different circumstances. Ie their clubs didn't have the finances to be able to demand such high prices
2) pogba doesn't have to prove his price tag this season. That will come in time
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by taxidriver (U21039)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robb Debruyn cost city 54 million last year, Gundagon cost City 25 odd million.
Both players have outplaed Pogba this season.
Pogba isnthe hottest player in terms of shirt selling and image rights but football wise he woudnt get into a top 10 midfielder list.
He has loads of talent, that I dont deny but if the question is he world class or done it consistently to be worth 90 million, I am sure even you Robb know the answer.
Why would you even as that wum Niko to come back after 5 years for a player that cost 90 millionIf he is world class he does the business now not after 5 years
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1) you can't use other players prices as a guide as they came under different circumstances. Ie their clubs didn't have the finances to be able to demand such high prices
2) pogba doesn't have to prove his price tag this season. That will come in time
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If barca wanted pogba they would have paid less.
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by taxidriver (U21039)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robb Debruyn cost city 54 million last year, Gundagon cost City 25 odd million.
Both players have outplaed Pogba this season.
Pogba isnthe hottest player in terms of shirt selling and image rights but football wise he woudnt get into a top 10 midfielder list.
He has loads of talent, that I dont deny but if the question is he world class or done it consistently to be worth 90 million, I am sure even you Robb know the answer.
Why would you even as that wum Niko to come back after 5 years for a player that cost 90 millionIf he is world class he does the business now not after 5 years
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1) you can't use other players prices as a guide as they came under different circumstances. Ie their clubs didn't have the finances to be able to demand such high prices
2) pogba doesn't have to prove his price tag this season. That will come in time
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If barca wanted pogba they would have paid less.
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Maybe.. But even so, £89 million is the only price WE could pay to get him.
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
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That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
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That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
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Depends what those other (realistic) signings were
I don't see being desperate to sign the best players and improve Utd as a bad thing.
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
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That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
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Depends what those other (realistic) signings were
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Robb, we paid 90m for Pogba and outbid even Real Madrid. His signing was perhaps one of the most unrealistic signings going, yet we made it happen. Then you hide behind this excuse.
im sorry but pogba is just an average player by the looks of him,
Lazy, cumbersome but good for a worldy goal that you can put on a youtube show reel
He is basically the black Lee Trundle
I think the problem utd have is that mata and pogba are your best cms but are not very disciplined. You'd need a heck of a player to cover for them two properly. Add a slow rooney or zlatan and you're in trouble. All your forwards want to play in the same space.
It wasn't that unrealistic when you see what Juve paid for Higuain which was clearly related to Juve getting the money for Pogba. Also money can only get you so far with certain players. The other examples being named at the time I personally don't think could have been bought for the right fee and if they were then they wouldn't have gone for silly money like Pogba. Kane was the only one who went for a very reasonable price and even he publically stated Jose tried but that he had given his word to Chelsea.
I hope we buy more grafters than geniuses in the near future.
That, or promote about 10 youth players to the first team squad next season.
For me, Zlatan was a smart signing, he's a big-time player with an even bigger personality, something sorely lacking here for years now. We'll get 2 good years out of him until another big-time guy comes along, or we make one. Maybe Pogba is next, we almost always had a big guy like Eric, RVN, CR7, but players like Rooney or Mata don't give you that personality kick like Zlatan does. Larger than life and all that carp....every proper top team needs one.
How can anybody genuinely the transfer fee paid for Pogba was anything but desperation?
I don't agree with Neville at all. It's quite clear to me that United cannot accept that they are no longer a dominant force, and are just throwing money at the problem in desperation in an attempt to stay up there, which will never work. They need to sign the right players and not just throw millions at the world's biggest names.
I think they were all good signings and I think they were all players Jose genuinely wanted and that they fit into the more traditional way United usually play, that's all Neville seemed to be saying.
LVG like any manager plays a certain way and will want the players that fit that way, it wasn't really a dig at him, just that his style requires different types of players which I agree with. I think generally LVG bought well although I still never agreed with his desire for a left footed CB which left us with the choice of Vermaelen (sh-t) or Rojo (tuurd).
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
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That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
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Depends what those other (realistic) signings were
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Robb, we paid 90m for Pogba and outbid even Real Madrid. His signing was perhaps one of the most unrealistic signings going, yet we made it happen. Then you hide behind this excuse.
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Realistic in the sense that anyone can name 3 players who would improve us in the way that we need and what Jose identified
He bought 3 players before Pogba and was never gonna buy 6 or 7 in one window when we had the squad we had (he wanted to see how some of them were before replacing almost a whole side in one summer.
Better to spend £89 million on one very good player than 89 million on 3 average players - something LvG did all too well
Firminho
Yeah there is a level of that but like I said I think Jose brought in players he genuinely wanted and that was key. We probably overpaid but that's because we are desperate and have been run terribly for 3 years, at least we do have the funds to pay the fees we have.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't agree with Neville at all. It's quite clear to me that United cannot accept that they are no longer a dominant force, and are just throwing money at the problem in desperation in an attempt to stay up there, which will never work. They need to sign the right players and not just throw millions at the world's biggest names.
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If only the club had unlimited resources to get it right with...
Oh. Wait a minute...
!!!
Well it aint unlimited but we do have a lot, doesn't mean we can continue to blow money though here and there. There does need to be some level of long term planning with our transfers as well as sorting out the current issues we have. I'm happy with our summer spending and Pogba was a lot but we all know (rightly or wrongly) his fee was largely due to his marketing power. On top of that he is still a brilliant player who is only 23 and will improve.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
It amazes me some of the stuff pundits come out with. Moyes hand was forced and he had to get Fellaini. I would not blame him too much for that.
LvG signed lots of players to actually do what Gary is saying. Some worked, some did not.
Quite stupid comments to make by Gary to be honest considering we overpaid for Bailly and Pogba. Could not develop youngsters and signed a pensioner in Zlatan.
Henrikh is definitely a Utd signing.
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I really like the guy, but i am now seeing why he failed miserably. LVG banged on about having a player like Neymar- I believe he used Young as a comparison at the time.
comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't agree with Neville at all. It's quite clear to me that United cannot accept that they are no longer a dominant force, and are just throwing money at the problem in desperation in an attempt to stay up there, which will never work. They need to sign the right players and not just throw millions at the world's biggest names.
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If only the club had unlimited resources to get it right with...
Oh. Wait a minute...
!!!
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Yes you have a lot of money, but it needs to be spent wisely.
How anyone can argue we did not overpay for Pogba is beyond me. Good player but the lad is not worth 60m. When you buy a player for top dollar, you don't make excuses to make the player tick i.e. play him to left, right of the midfield and all that malarkey. If Pogba reaches the level of Yaya for City, I'll be very happy- and even that will not justify 89million quid.
Reg shirt sales, people need to stop talking rubbish, we have not recouped the money spent on pogba from shirt sales.
You are aware that a footballers brings more than just shirt sales, which club receive very little of the money anyway as the money they receive is from kit maker themselves for being our kit makers.
Maybe you're not aware but the money in football these days is astronomical and a large way clubs can tap into that is to build their own brand, that is done in a number of ways but the key one is to have big name players who help create strong identity. It's not a particularly fun part of the sport and money is clearly not helping fans in any way but that is how it is and in that part of the game we actually do it better than anyone pretty much.
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by taxidriver (U21039)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robb Debruyn cost city 54 million last year, Gundagon cost City 25 odd million.
Both players have outplaed Pogba this season.
Pogba isnthe hottest player in terms of shirt selling and image rights but football wise he woudnt get into a top 10 midfielder list.
He has loads of talent, that I dont deny but if the question is he world class or done it consistently to be worth 90 million, I am sure even you Robb know the answer.
Why would you even as that wum Niko to come back after 5 years for a player that cost 90 millionIf he is world class he does the business now not after 5 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1) you can't use other players prices as a guide as they came under different circumstances. Ie their clubs didn't have the finances to be able to demand such high prices
2) pogba doesn't have to prove his price tag this season. That will come in time
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by taxidriver (U21039)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robb Debruyn cost city 54 million last year, Gundagon cost City 25 odd million.
Both players have outplaed Pogba this season.
Pogba isnthe hottest player in terms of shirt selling and image rights but football wise he woudnt get into a top 10 midfielder list.
He has loads of talent, that I dont deny but if the question is he world class or done it consistently to be worth 90 million, I am sure even you Robb know the answer.
Why would you even as that wum Niko to come back after 5 years for a player that cost 90 millionIf he is world class he does the business now not after 5 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1) you can't use other players prices as a guide as they came under different circumstances. Ie their clubs didn't have the finances to be able to demand such high prices
2) pogba doesn't have to prove his price tag this season. That will come in time
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If barca wanted pogba they would have paid less.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by taxidriver (U21039)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robb Debruyn cost city 54 million last year, Gundagon cost City 25 odd million.
Both players have outplaed Pogba this season.
Pogba isnthe hottest player in terms of shirt selling and image rights but football wise he woudnt get into a top 10 midfielder list.
He has loads of talent, that I dont deny but if the question is he world class or done it consistently to be worth 90 million, I am sure even you Robb know the answer.
Why would you even as that wum Niko to come back after 5 years for a player that cost 90 millionIf he is world class he does the business now not after 5 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1) you can't use other players prices as a guide as they came under different circumstances. Ie their clubs didn't have the finances to be able to demand such high prices
2) pogba doesn't have to prove his price tag this season. That will come in time
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If barca wanted pogba they would have paid less.
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Maybe.. But even so, £89 million is the only price WE could pay to get him.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
----------------------
That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
----------------------
That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends what those other (realistic) signings were
posted on 15/11/16
I don't see being desperate to sign the best players and improve Utd as a bad thing.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
----------------------
That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends what those other (realistic) signings were
-------------------------------------
Robb, we paid 90m for Pogba and outbid even Real Madrid. His signing was perhaps one of the most unrealistic signings going, yet we made it happen. Then you hide behind this excuse.
posted on 15/11/16
im sorry but pogba is just an average player by the looks of him,
Lazy, cumbersome but good for a worldy goal that you can put on a youtube show reel
He is basically the black Lee Trundle
posted on 15/11/16
I think the problem utd have is that mata and pogba are your best cms but are not very disciplined. You'd need a heck of a player to cover for them two properly. Add a slow rooney or zlatan and you're in trouble. All your forwards want to play in the same space.
posted on 15/11/16
It wasn't that unrealistic when you see what Juve paid for Higuain which was clearly related to Juve getting the money for Pogba. Also money can only get you so far with certain players. The other examples being named at the time I personally don't think could have been bought for the right fee and if they were then they wouldn't have gone for silly money like Pogba. Kane was the only one who went for a very reasonable price and even he publically stated Jose tried but that he had given his word to Chelsea.
posted on 15/11/16
I hope we buy more grafters than geniuses in the near future.
That, or promote about 10 youth players to the first team squad next season.
posted on 15/11/16
For me, Zlatan was a smart signing, he's a big-time player with an even bigger personality, something sorely lacking here for years now. We'll get 2 good years out of him until another big-time guy comes along, or we make one. Maybe Pogba is next, we almost always had a big guy like Eric, RVN, CR7, but players like Rooney or Mata don't give you that personality kick like Zlatan does. Larger than life and all that carp....every proper top team needs one.
posted on 15/11/16
How can anybody genuinely the transfer fee paid for Pogba was anything but desperation?
posted on 15/11/16
Genuinely argue*
posted on 15/11/16
I don't agree with Neville at all. It's quite clear to me that United cannot accept that they are no longer a dominant force, and are just throwing money at the problem in desperation in an attempt to stay up there, which will never work. They need to sign the right players and not just throw millions at the world's biggest names.
posted on 15/11/16
I think they were all good signings and I think they were all players Jose genuinely wanted and that they fit into the more traditional way United usually play, that's all Neville seemed to be saying.
LVG like any manager plays a certain way and will want the players that fit that way, it wasn't really a dig at him, just that his style requires different types of players which I agree with. I think generally LVG bought well although I still never agreed with his desire for a left footed CB which left us with the choice of Vermaelen (sh-t) or Rojo (tuurd).
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 49 minutes ago
We didn't overpay on Pogba.. We paid the exact it took for Juventus to sell us the hottest young midfield talent in football.
We're a massive club. We paid massive money to get one of the best players off one of our European rivals.
We're better off for having him rather than the money sitting in the bank
----------------------
That's arguable. But the real question is are we better off having him rather than 2 or 3 others players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends what those other (realistic) signings were
-------------------------------------
Robb, we paid 90m for Pogba and outbid even Real Madrid. His signing was perhaps one of the most unrealistic signings going, yet we made it happen. Then you hide behind this excuse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Realistic in the sense that anyone can name 3 players who would improve us in the way that we need and what Jose identified
He bought 3 players before Pogba and was never gonna buy 6 or 7 in one window when we had the squad we had (he wanted to see how some of them were before replacing almost a whole side in one summer.
Better to spend £89 million on one very good player than 89 million on 3 average players - something LvG did all too well
posted on 15/11/16
*can anyone
posted on 15/11/16
Firminho
Yeah there is a level of that but like I said I think Jose brought in players he genuinely wanted and that was key. We probably overpaid but that's because we are desperate and have been run terribly for 3 years, at least we do have the funds to pay the fees we have.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't agree with Neville at all. It's quite clear to me that United cannot accept that they are no longer a dominant force, and are just throwing money at the problem in desperation in an attempt to stay up there, which will never work. They need to sign the right players and not just throw millions at the world's biggest names.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If only the club had unlimited resources to get it right with...
Oh. Wait a minute...
!!!
posted on 15/11/16
Well it aint unlimited but we do have a lot, doesn't mean we can continue to blow money though here and there. There does need to be some level of long term planning with our transfers as well as sorting out the current issues we have. I'm happy with our summer spending and Pogba was a lot but we all know (rightly or wrongly) his fee was largely due to his marketing power. On top of that he is still a brilliant player who is only 23 and will improve.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
It amazes me some of the stuff pundits come out with. Moyes hand was forced and he had to get Fellaini. I would not blame him too much for that.
LvG signed lots of players to actually do what Gary is saying. Some worked, some did not.
Quite stupid comments to make by Gary to be honest considering we overpaid for Bailly and Pogba. Could not develop youngsters and signed a pensioner in Zlatan.
Henrikh is definitely a Utd signing.
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I really like the guy, but i am now seeing why he failed miserably. LVG banged on about having a player like Neymar- I believe he used Young as a comparison at the time.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't agree with Neville at all. It's quite clear to me that United cannot accept that they are no longer a dominant force, and are just throwing money at the problem in desperation in an attempt to stay up there, which will never work. They need to sign the right players and not just throw millions at the world's biggest names.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If only the club had unlimited resources to get it right with...
Oh. Wait a minute...
!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes you have a lot of money, but it needs to be spent wisely.
posted on 15/11/16
How anyone can argue we did not overpay for Pogba is beyond me. Good player but the lad is not worth 60m. When you buy a player for top dollar, you don't make excuses to make the player tick i.e. play him to left, right of the midfield and all that malarkey. If Pogba reaches the level of Yaya for City, I'll be very happy- and even that will not justify 89million quid.
Reg shirt sales, people need to stop talking rubbish, we have not recouped the money spent on pogba from shirt sales.
posted on 15/11/16
You are aware that a footballers brings more than just shirt sales, which club receive very little of the money anyway as the money they receive is from kit maker themselves for being our kit makers.
Maybe you're not aware but the money in football these days is astronomical and a large way clubs can tap into that is to build their own brand, that is done in a number of ways but the key one is to have big name players who help create strong identity. It's not a particularly fun part of the sport and money is clearly not helping fans in any way but that is how it is and in that part of the game we actually do it better than anyone pretty much.
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