comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Fact is that any big side would love Pogba. We have him, they don't
Who cares what we paid. For once we got our main target and we're better off for having him than have that money sitting in the bank
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But probably not better than having 2 or 3 players instead of him.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Then name them, it's a pretty simple thing to do if you think it's so easy and are using it to bash others.
Every year we want our club to buy the best players at the cheapest price but it really isn't that simple, I don't recall anyone suggesting their club should buy Kante in 2015? I get that we aren't scouts but buying these so called bargains really isn't that easy.
All summer the 3 names being mentioned that we should have bought were Kante (who had already decided on Chelsea even though Jose tried) and Verratti and Kroos, 2 brilliant players who neither club were willing to sell and if hypothetically they were then only for the silly figures we got Pogba for.
So if you want to suggest that we could have bought 2 players for the price of Pogba then at least name FFS.
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Elvis is hiding behind the 'I'm not a scout so why would i know' excuse.
It's far too easy to be a critic when you don't have any answers.
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Robb, I have already provided 3 names that you have chosen to ignore. Just as you have ignored the names provided by others posters during the summer and on this thread.
I have a young family and as result watch a lot less football than I used to. I am very out of touch with football in other countries these days and won't pretend otherwise, unlike many on these boards do. But I am not stupid enough to believe that quality players have ceased to exist in other countries just because I have stopped watching football from other countries. That would be moronic. So if you want to go on pretending that it is impossible to sign players around the 30m mark or less that can improve us, by all means continue to do so (despite the fact we sined Bailly and Micky). But we all know that you are only doing so to justify the fact that we massively overpaid for a very good but overhyped player.
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Genuinely didn't see you name those three. Which ones were they?
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Matip, Mane, Xhaka. Combined fees was about 70m.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
We have Pogba. A player who will IMO become the best midfielder of his generation.
Those obsessed with his cost are weirdos who don't understand how easy it was for us to afford it and why our Adidas deal helps with these things.
The original debate was that apparently the Pogba deal makes us look desperate but it really doesn't. It shows how strong as a club we are that we can outbid Real Madrid for a player most big clubs would want.
If you can't get excited about that and would rather have three more obscure players instead of a guy who can genuinely excite us all then I can only imagine what a fun guy you must be at a party.
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Robb, Liverpool signed Matip on a free I believe? (Sorry, I said Karius earlier when I meant Matip). I am sure that you would have called him an obscure player. Just as you would Bailly. But both have proven to be very good signings that have improved the team.
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Indeed and I have nothing against us signing obscure players. One of my favourite signings in recent years was Hernandez.
That doesn't mean that we shoukndt be spending big money on players like Pogba.
There are different levels of good players.
One that will reach a certain level and one that can be an absolute top class player. We bought Pogba with that in mind.
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
We have Pogba. A player who will IMO become the best midfielder of his generation.
Those obsessed with his cost are weirdos who don't understand how easy it was for us to afford it and why our Adidas deal helps with these things.
The original debate was that apparently the Pogba deal makes us look desperate but it really doesn't. It shows how strong as a club we are that we can outbid Real Madrid for a player most big clubs would want.
If you can't get excited about that and would rather have three more obscure players instead of a guy who can genuinely excite us all then I can only imagine what a fun guy you must be at a party.
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Robb, Liverpool signed Matip on a free I believe? (Sorry, I said Karius earlier when I meant Matip). I am sure that you would have called him an obscure player. Just as you would Bailly. But both have proven to be very good signings that have improved the team.
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Indeed and I have nothing against us signing obscure players. One of my favourite signings in recent years was Hernandez.
That doesn't mean that we shoukndt be spending big money on players like Pogba.
There are different levels of good players.
One that will reach a certain level and one that can be an absolute top class player. We bought Pogba with that in mind.
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has
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Robb, you are making out like you know every young player in the world. Stop being ridiculous.
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
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What?
Bale had stand out games against some of the best teams in europe. was playing for a worse team and single handedly won points on his own.
pogba played for a team with vidal,marchisio and pirlo in the middle in a one horse race league and scored a couple long rangers.
Not the same at all Robb, no wonder your board slags you off mate. No offence but you need a rethink.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Then name them, it's a pretty simple thing to do if you think it's so easy and are using it to bash others.
Every year we want our club to buy the best players at the cheapest price but it really isn't that simple, I don't recall anyone suggesting their club should buy Kante in 2015? I get that we aren't scouts but buying these so called bargains really isn't that easy.
All summer the 3 names being mentioned that we should have bought were Kante (who had already decided on Chelsea even though Jose tried) and Verratti and Kroos, 2 brilliant players who neither club were willing to sell and if hypothetically they were then only for the silly figures we got Pogba for.
So if you want to suggest that we could have bought 2 players for the price of Pogba then at least name FFS.
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Elvis is hiding behind the 'I'm not a scout so why would i know' excuse.
It's far too easy to be a critic when you don't have any answers.
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Robb, I have already provided 3 names that you have chosen to ignore. Just as you have ignored the names provided by others posters during the summer and on this thread.
I have a young family and as result watch a lot less football than I used to. I am very out of touch with football in other countries these days and won't pretend otherwise, unlike many on these boards do. But I am not stupid enough to believe that quality players have ceased to exist in other countries just because I have stopped watching football from other countries. That would be moronic. So if you want to go on pretending that it is impossible to sign players around the 30m mark or less that can improve us, by all means continue to do so (despite the fact we sined Bailly and Micky). But we all know that you are only doing so to justify the fact that we massively overpaid for a very good but overhyped player.
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Genuinely didn't see you name those three. Which ones were they?
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Matip, Mane, Xhaka. Combined fees was about 70m.
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Why would we buy Mane when we had just bought Micky?
Why would we buy Matip when we had just bought Bailly and had Smalling and Blind? Im sure Matip wanted to be first choice for Klopp than second choice for Jose
We would never have gotten Xhaka for one very good reason - he signed for Arsenal before Jose was even appointed.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
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What?
Bale had stand out games against some of the best teams in europe. was playing for a worse team and single handedly won points on his own.
pogba played for a team with vidal,marchisio and pirlo in the middle in a one horse race league and scored a couple long rangers.
Not the same at all Robb, no wonder your board slags you off mate. No offence but you need a rethink.
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Pogba had stand out games against some of the best teams in Europe and helped his side make the CL final.
I genuinely don't think you have any idea about how good Pogba was for Juve in the CL.
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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posted 1 minute ago
Then name them, it's a pretty simple thing to do if you think it's so easy and are using it to bash others.
Every year we want our club to buy the best players at the cheapest price but it really isn't that simple, I don't recall anyone suggesting their club should buy Kante in 2015? I get that we aren't scouts but buying these so called bargains really isn't that easy.
All summer the 3 names being mentioned that we should have bought were Kante (who had already decided on Chelsea even though Jose tried) and Verratti and Kroos, 2 brilliant players who neither club were willing to sell and if hypothetically they were then only for the silly figures we got Pogba for.
So if you want to suggest that we could have bought 2 players for the price of Pogba then at least name FFS.
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Elvis is hiding behind the 'I'm not a scout so why would i know' excuse.
It's far too easy to be a critic when you don't have any answers.
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Robb, I have already provided 3 names that you have chosen to ignore. Just as you have ignored the names provided by others posters during the summer and on this thread.
I have a young family and as result watch a lot less football than I used to. I am very out of touch with football in other countries these days and won't pretend otherwise, unlike many on these boards do. But I am not stupid enough to believe that quality players have ceased to exist in other countries just because I have stopped watching football from other countries. That would be moronic. So if you want to go on pretending that it is impossible to sign players around the 30m mark or less that can improve us, by all means continue to do so (despite the fact we sined Bailly and Micky). But we all know that you are only doing so to justify the fact that we massively overpaid for a very good but overhyped player.
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Genuinely didn't see you name those three. Which ones were they?
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Matip, Mane, Xhaka. Combined fees was about 70m.
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Why would we buy Mane when we had just bought Micky?
Why would we buy Matip when we had just bought Bailly and had Smalling and Blind? Im sure Matip wanted to be first choice for Klopp than second choice for Jose
We would never have gotten Xhaka for one very good reason - he signed for Arsenal before Jose was even appointed.
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Robb, I am highlighting the fact that there are very good players available for around/less than 30m that could improve the team as much if not more than Pogba. They are just examples just from the PL. Start looking around the other leagues and I am sure that there are plenty more examples of players that moved for fees in this range. Just as there will be ones that didn't move.
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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What's pogba's house dimensions have to do with it ?
So we should never spend big on a player even though we have the funds to do so when we feel a special player is available as well as spend less on other players. Zlatan was free, Mhki was a very reasonable price and Bailly was expensive but is also young and was also wanted by City. The Pogba signing as far as I'm aware did not limit our spending in other areas, Jose wanted 4 players and got 4 players, if he wanted more I'm sure he would have tried and still payed the £90m for Pogba.
It's about balance and those 4 transfers showed a balance IMO. We can all hope and wish we unearth cheap talent but so too are every other club and there are so many variables that make a player succeed that even if we do buy one they don't always play to their expected level, off the top of my head Forlan comes to mind. Spending less doesn't always work, just look at players such as Rojo, Darmian, Morgan, Depay and Fellaini. It's not all about spending little, it's about spending right and Pogba while expensive is a very good signing.
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posted 9 minutes ago
So we should never spend big on a player
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I don't have a problem spending big on a player if they are worth it. In this instance I'm not convinced Pogba a was worth it and think we could have strengthened more by buying in 2 or 3 players.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
So we should never spend big on a player
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I don't have a problem spending big on a player if they are worth it. In this instance I'm not convinced Pogba a was worth it and think we could have strengthened more by buying in 2 or 3 players.
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But you seem to think the two are mutually exclusive. Pogbas fee didn't break our bank. We had/have more money
Fair enough, while I agree the fee for Pogba was steep I still think we bought a fantastic player who will only improve. While I would always love to see a bargain come like I said they don't always work and for the past 3 years I've felt that the club have needed to bring in real proven quality rather than mid price players who could improve like the list I gave above. If our scouts and Jose felt there were quality bargains out there I'm sure they would have got them if they felt they were needed.
One player I felt we maybe could have tried and gone for in the summer was Matuidi. Maybe for the right price PSG would have sold but that wouldn't have been cheap either.
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comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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love all this talk of ceiling. how can you judge a players ceiling btw? what is the statistical criteria
He's a big lad he needs a high ceiling
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posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
So we should never spend big on a player
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I don't have a problem spending big on a player if they are worth it. In this instance I'm not convinced Pogba a was worth it and think we could have strengthened more by buying in 2 or 3 players.
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But you seem to think the two are mutually exclusive. Pogbas fee didn't break our bank. We had/have more money
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You do seem to know a lot Robb about things that you don't have any access to. You have absolutely no idea what was or wasn't available for transfers taking into consideration Pogba's fee.
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posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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love all this talk of ceiling. how can you judge a players ceiling btw? what is the statistical criteria
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Its just the latest meaningless buzz word. Ravel Morrison had as high a ceiling as you'll ever find, but he scrabbling around trying to force a move back to Hull apparently.
Players develop at different ages and at different rates. Some continue to develop throughout their career, whilst others peak in their early/mid 20s.
Elvis
But money doesn't seem to be an issue for us like it is for other clubs. I remember Woodward often stating that we have special reserves for when those top players become available and I assume Pogba was deemed that. Jose said he wanted 4 players and bought 4 players, maybe that was a mistake but I don't personally think that the Pogba signing hindered any possible signings if we wanted them.
I'm sure Jose would have loved a load of players but he probably also thought about what was at the club already and worked on what he could get from that. I'm sure after a few months he has a far better idea on who needs to stay and go and if he's here next summer will work on that as well as bringing in other areas he has assessed need fixing, you can't expect a manager to come in a sort all the positions in 1 summer, especially not a club who have been in such a mess for 3 years.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Elvis
But money doesn't seem to be an issue for us like it is for other clubs. I remember Woodward often stating that we have special reserves for when those top players become available and I assume Pogba was deemed that. Jose said he wanted 4 players and bought 4 players, maybe that was a mistake but I don't personally think that the Pogba signing hindered any possible signings if we wanted them.
I'm sure Jose would have loved a load of players but he probably also thought about what was at the club already and worked on what he could get from that. I'm sure after a few months he has a far better idea on who needs to stay and go and if he's here next summer will work on that as well as bringing in other areas he has assessed need fixing, you can't expect a manager to come in a sort all the positions in 1 summer, especially not a club who have been in such a mess for 3 years.
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We obviously have more money than most, but we don't have an unlimited pot. As you say, Pogba was surely identified as a special player and those reserves were used to buy him. In addition to that, we spent another 55m on Micky and Bailly. None of us know for sure what we have otherwise have spent had Pogba not being available, but I'd surprised if an outlay of 90m on one 'special' player doesn't impact on the transfer budget in general.
Yeah it's clearly not unlimited, my point being if the club and Jose had identified other players that were also available then I think we would have at least tried to get them such as Kante who is not similar to any of the players we did buy but who if available to us then I feel we could have spent that extra money. Sadly he had already given his word to Chelsea by then.
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posted on 16/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Fact is that any big side would love Pogba. We have him, they don't
Who cares what we paid. For once we got our main target and we're better off for having him than have that money sitting in the bank
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But probably not better than having 2 or 3 players instead of him.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Then name them, it's a pretty simple thing to do if you think it's so easy and are using it to bash others.
Every year we want our club to buy the best players at the cheapest price but it really isn't that simple, I don't recall anyone suggesting their club should buy Kante in 2015? I get that we aren't scouts but buying these so called bargains really isn't that easy.
All summer the 3 names being mentioned that we should have bought were Kante (who had already decided on Chelsea even though Jose tried) and Verratti and Kroos, 2 brilliant players who neither club were willing to sell and if hypothetically they were then only for the silly figures we got Pogba for.
So if you want to suggest that we could have bought 2 players for the price of Pogba then at least name FFS.
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Elvis is hiding behind the 'I'm not a scout so why would i know' excuse.
It's far too easy to be a critic when you don't have any answers.
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Robb, I have already provided 3 names that you have chosen to ignore. Just as you have ignored the names provided by others posters during the summer and on this thread.
I have a young family and as result watch a lot less football than I used to. I am very out of touch with football in other countries these days and won't pretend otherwise, unlike many on these boards do. But I am not stupid enough to believe that quality players have ceased to exist in other countries just because I have stopped watching football from other countries. That would be moronic. So if you want to go on pretending that it is impossible to sign players around the 30m mark or less that can improve us, by all means continue to do so (despite the fact we sined Bailly and Micky). But we all know that you are only doing so to justify the fact that we massively overpaid for a very good but overhyped player.
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Genuinely didn't see you name those three. Which ones were they?
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Matip, Mane, Xhaka. Combined fees was about 70m.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
We have Pogba. A player who will IMO become the best midfielder of his generation.
Those obsessed with his cost are weirdos who don't understand how easy it was for us to afford it and why our Adidas deal helps with these things.
The original debate was that apparently the Pogba deal makes us look desperate but it really doesn't. It shows how strong as a club we are that we can outbid Real Madrid for a player most big clubs would want.
If you can't get excited about that and would rather have three more obscure players instead of a guy who can genuinely excite us all then I can only imagine what a fun guy you must be at a party.
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Robb, Liverpool signed Matip on a free I believe? (Sorry, I said Karius earlier when I meant Matip). I am sure that you would have called him an obscure player. Just as you would Bailly. But both have proven to be very good signings that have improved the team.
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Indeed and I have nothing against us signing obscure players. One of my favourite signings in recent years was Hernandez.
That doesn't mean that we shoukndt be spending big money on players like Pogba.
There are different levels of good players.
One that will reach a certain level and one that can be an absolute top class player. We bought Pogba with that in mind.
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
We have Pogba. A player who will IMO become the best midfielder of his generation.
Those obsessed with his cost are weirdos who don't understand how easy it was for us to afford it and why our Adidas deal helps with these things.
The original debate was that apparently the Pogba deal makes us look desperate but it really doesn't. It shows how strong as a club we are that we can outbid Real Madrid for a player most big clubs would want.
If you can't get excited about that and would rather have three more obscure players instead of a guy who can genuinely excite us all then I can only imagine what a fun guy you must be at a party.
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Robb, Liverpool signed Matip on a free I believe? (Sorry, I said Karius earlier when I meant Matip). I am sure that you would have called him an obscure player. Just as you would Bailly. But both have proven to be very good signings that have improved the team.
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Indeed and I have nothing against us signing obscure players. One of my favourite signings in recent years was Hernandez.
That doesn't mean that we shoukndt be spending big money on players like Pogba.
There are different levels of good players.
One that will reach a certain level and one that can be an absolute top class player. We bought Pogba with that in mind.
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has
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Robb, you are making out like you know every young player in the world. Stop being ridiculous.
posted on 16/11/16
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
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What?
Bale had stand out games against some of the best teams in europe. was playing for a worse team and single handedly won points on his own.
pogba played for a team with vidal,marchisio and pirlo in the middle in a one horse race league and scored a couple long rangers.
Not the same at all Robb, no wonder your board slags you off mate. No offence but you need a rethink.
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posted 1 minute ago
Then name them, it's a pretty simple thing to do if you think it's so easy and are using it to bash others.
Every year we want our club to buy the best players at the cheapest price but it really isn't that simple, I don't recall anyone suggesting their club should buy Kante in 2015? I get that we aren't scouts but buying these so called bargains really isn't that easy.
All summer the 3 names being mentioned that we should have bought were Kante (who had already decided on Chelsea even though Jose tried) and Verratti and Kroos, 2 brilliant players who neither club were willing to sell and if hypothetically they were then only for the silly figures we got Pogba for.
So if you want to suggest that we could have bought 2 players for the price of Pogba then at least name FFS.
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Elvis is hiding behind the 'I'm not a scout so why would i know' excuse.
It's far too easy to be a critic when you don't have any answers.
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Robb, I have already provided 3 names that you have chosen to ignore. Just as you have ignored the names provided by others posters during the summer and on this thread.
I have a young family and as result watch a lot less football than I used to. I am very out of touch with football in other countries these days and won't pretend otherwise, unlike many on these boards do. But I am not stupid enough to believe that quality players have ceased to exist in other countries just because I have stopped watching football from other countries. That would be moronic. So if you want to go on pretending that it is impossible to sign players around the 30m mark or less that can improve us, by all means continue to do so (despite the fact we sined Bailly and Micky). But we all know that you are only doing so to justify the fact that we massively overpaid for a very good but overhyped player.
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Genuinely didn't see you name those three. Which ones were they?
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Matip, Mane, Xhaka. Combined fees was about 70m.
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Why would we buy Mane when we had just bought Micky?
Why would we buy Matip when we had just bought Bailly and had Smalling and Blind? Im sure Matip wanted to be first choice for Klopp than second choice for Jose
We would never have gotten Xhaka for one very good reason - he signed for Arsenal before Jose was even appointed.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
Real paid a similar fee for Bale who was on the same kind of level at Spurs that Pogba was at Juve. People thought the fee was crazy but few talk about it now.
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What?
Bale had stand out games against some of the best teams in europe. was playing for a worse team and single handedly won points on his own.
pogba played for a team with vidal,marchisio and pirlo in the middle in a one horse race league and scored a couple long rangers.
Not the same at all Robb, no wonder your board slags you off mate. No offence but you need a rethink.
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Pogba had stand out games against some of the best teams in Europe and helped his side make the CL final.
I genuinely don't think you have any idea about how good Pogba was for Juve in the CL.
posted on 16/11/16
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Then name them, it's a pretty simple thing to do if you think it's so easy and are using it to bash others.
Every year we want our club to buy the best players at the cheapest price but it really isn't that simple, I don't recall anyone suggesting their club should buy Kante in 2015? I get that we aren't scouts but buying these so called bargains really isn't that easy.
All summer the 3 names being mentioned that we should have bought were Kante (who had already decided on Chelsea even though Jose tried) and Verratti and Kroos, 2 brilliant players who neither club were willing to sell and if hypothetically they were then only for the silly figures we got Pogba for.
So if you want to suggest that we could have bought 2 players for the price of Pogba then at least name FFS.
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Elvis is hiding behind the 'I'm not a scout so why would i know' excuse.
It's far too easy to be a critic when you don't have any answers.
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Robb, I have already provided 3 names that you have chosen to ignore. Just as you have ignored the names provided by others posters during the summer and on this thread.
I have a young family and as result watch a lot less football than I used to. I am very out of touch with football in other countries these days and won't pretend otherwise, unlike many on these boards do. But I am not stupid enough to believe that quality players have ceased to exist in other countries just because I have stopped watching football from other countries. That would be moronic. So if you want to go on pretending that it is impossible to sign players around the 30m mark or less that can improve us, by all means continue to do so (despite the fact we sined Bailly and Micky). But we all know that you are only doing so to justify the fact that we massively overpaid for a very good but overhyped player.
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Genuinely didn't see you name those three. Which ones were they?
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Matip, Mane, Xhaka. Combined fees was about 70m.
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Why would we buy Mane when we had just bought Micky?
Why would we buy Matip when we had just bought Bailly and had Smalling and Blind? Im sure Matip wanted to be first choice for Klopp than second choice for Jose
We would never have gotten Xhaka for one very good reason - he signed for Arsenal before Jose was even appointed.
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Robb, I am highlighting the fact that there are very good players available for around/less than 30m that could improve the team as much if not more than Pogba. They are just examples just from the PL. Start looking around the other leagues and I am sure that there are plenty more examples of players that moved for fees in this range. Just as there will be ones that didn't move.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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What's pogba's house dimensions have to do with it ?
posted on 16/11/16
So we should never spend big on a player even though we have the funds to do so when we feel a special player is available as well as spend less on other players. Zlatan was free, Mhki was a very reasonable price and Bailly was expensive but is also young and was also wanted by City. The Pogba signing as far as I'm aware did not limit our spending in other areas, Jose wanted 4 players and got 4 players, if he wanted more I'm sure he would have tried and still payed the £90m for Pogba.
It's about balance and those 4 transfers showed a balance IMO. We can all hope and wish we unearth cheap talent but so too are every other club and there are so many variables that make a player succeed that even if we do buy one they don't always play to their expected level, off the top of my head Forlan comes to mind. Spending less doesn't always work, just look at players such as Rojo, Darmian, Morgan, Depay and Fellaini. It's not all about spending little, it's about spending right and Pogba while expensive is a very good signing.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
So we should never spend big on a player
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I don't have a problem spending big on a player if they are worth it. In this instance I'm not convinced Pogba a was worth it and think we could have strengthened more by buying in 2 or 3 players.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
So we should never spend big on a player
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I don't have a problem spending big on a player if they are worth it. In this instance I'm not convinced Pogba a was worth it and think we could have strengthened more by buying in 2 or 3 players.
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But you seem to think the two are mutually exclusive. Pogbas fee didn't break our bank. We had/have more money
posted on 16/11/16
Fair enough, while I agree the fee for Pogba was steep I still think we bought a fantastic player who will only improve. While I would always love to see a bargain come like I said they don't always work and for the past 3 years I've felt that the club have needed to bring in real proven quality rather than mid price players who could improve like the list I gave above. If our scouts and Jose felt there were quality bargains out there I'm sure they would have got them if they felt they were needed.
One player I felt we maybe could have tried and gone for in the summer was Matuidi. Maybe for the right price PSG would have sold but that wouldn't have been cheap either.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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love all this talk of ceiling. how can you judge a players ceiling btw? what is the statistical criteria
posted on 16/11/16
He's a big lad he needs a high ceiling
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
So we should never spend big on a player
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I don't have a problem spending big on a player if they are worth it. In this instance I'm not convinced Pogba a was worth it and think we could have strengthened more by buying in 2 or 3 players.
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But you seem to think the two are mutually exclusive. Pogbas fee didn't break our bank. We had/have more money
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You do seem to know a lot Robb about things that you don't have any access to. You have absolutely no idea what was or wasn't available for transfers taking into consideration Pogba's fee.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Robb Trump (U21234)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don't think you do Robb, I saw pogba play probably half a century of games at juve, full games.
as for this comment :-
There was nooone available at £30 million who had the potential that Pogba has----
Kante
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Different types of players. Pogba has a higher ceiling and Kante wanted Chelsea anyway.
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love all this talk of ceiling. how can you judge a players ceiling btw? what is the statistical criteria
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Its just the latest meaningless buzz word. Ravel Morrison had as high a ceiling as you'll ever find, but he scrabbling around trying to force a move back to Hull apparently.
Players develop at different ages and at different rates. Some continue to develop throughout their career, whilst others peak in their early/mid 20s.
posted on 16/11/16
Elvis
But money doesn't seem to be an issue for us like it is for other clubs. I remember Woodward often stating that we have special reserves for when those top players become available and I assume Pogba was deemed that. Jose said he wanted 4 players and bought 4 players, maybe that was a mistake but I don't personally think that the Pogba signing hindered any possible signings if we wanted them.
I'm sure Jose would have loved a load of players but he probably also thought about what was at the club already and worked on what he could get from that. I'm sure after a few months he has a far better idea on who needs to stay and go and if he's here next summer will work on that as well as bringing in other areas he has assessed need fixing, you can't expect a manager to come in a sort all the positions in 1 summer, especially not a club who have been in such a mess for 3 years.
posted on 16/11/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Elvis
But money doesn't seem to be an issue for us like it is for other clubs. I remember Woodward often stating that we have special reserves for when those top players become available and I assume Pogba was deemed that. Jose said he wanted 4 players and bought 4 players, maybe that was a mistake but I don't personally think that the Pogba signing hindered any possible signings if we wanted them.
I'm sure Jose would have loved a load of players but he probably also thought about what was at the club already and worked on what he could get from that. I'm sure after a few months he has a far better idea on who needs to stay and go and if he's here next summer will work on that as well as bringing in other areas he has assessed need fixing, you can't expect a manager to come in a sort all the positions in 1 summer, especially not a club who have been in such a mess for 3 years.
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We obviously have more money than most, but we don't have an unlimited pot. As you say, Pogba was surely identified as a special player and those reserves were used to buy him. In addition to that, we spent another 55m on Micky and Bailly. None of us know for sure what we have otherwise have spent had Pogba not being available, but I'd surprised if an outlay of 90m on one 'special' player doesn't impact on the transfer budget in general.
posted on 16/11/16
Yeah it's clearly not unlimited, my point being if the club and Jose had identified other players that were also available then I think we would have at least tried to get them such as Kante who is not similar to any of the players we did buy but who if available to us then I feel we could have spent that extra money. Sadly he had already given his word to Chelsea by then.
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