comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson || (U10161)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson || (U10161)
posted 1 minute ago
Alli isn't on the same level as Pogba, come on now. Yes, this season he has outperformed him, but attribute-wise, Pogba is miles ahead
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Does it matter what attributes you've got if you can't actually put them to work on the pitch?
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He has, but obviously not enough this season. He's done it for Juve, and I have confidence he will for United. He hasn't even had a full season in the prem yet.
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No idea what he done at Juve. never watch serie A as the matches more often than not clash with the premier league games.

So i can only base off of what he has done this season, and it's been undeniably underwhelming. he just doesn't do enough to affect the outcome of games or make his presence on the field count.

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 3 minutes ago
This whole article again shows how much English people overrate English players
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Or how much hipsters overrate foreign players

comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 39 seconds ago
Gerrard and Lampard both proved to be vital players for their teams because of it. They turned up for the big games, they were incredibly consistent. Time will tell with Pogba, but he has not shown to be of the same level as Lampard and Gerrard (performance wise) so far.
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Yes but Lampard didn't show that level until after 23 to be fair. Wasn't he still a West Ham player at that age?
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Hence time will tell.
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True but you made it sound like you were comparing the Pogba of 23 to peak Gerrard and Lampard. I was making the point Lampard hadn't done that much at 23.

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.

omment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson || (U10161)
posted 8 minutes ago

Alli isn't on the same level as Pogba, come on now. Yes, this season he has outperformed him, but attribute-wise, Pogba is miles ahead

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You got the first sentence correct. Alli is playing at a level well above Pogba.

Not sure about the second sentence.

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comment by Wenger destroying the club the same way Pete destroying the thread (U10012)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
As a key player for his national team, Pogba managed to reach the final of a major tournament at 23, in his home country, under massive pressure

When the pressure was on for England, surrounded by recognised good defenders and strikers, did Gerrard or Lampard ever deliver, at any age?
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France got to the final not needing much from Pogba. He was pretty average in the Euros.
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This

I think that instead of comparing trophies and award won at the same age, people should compare the influence they had at their respective clubs.

I don't think United (currently) or France national would suffer much without him. Same way that Juve are doing just fine right now.
I don't think you could say the same about Gerrard or Lampard.
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This epitomises the lazy criticism directed at Pogba. He had an average tournament, and is having an average season.

Let's not use this to discredit what he has done before that.

Let's not pretend that Gerrard, or Lampard have never had bad seasons; especially at the comparitive ages. Let's certainly not pretend that they have had bad international tournaments!

Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.

Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.

comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 3 minutes ago
This whole article again shows how much English people overrate English players
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Or how much hipsters overrate foreign players
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No

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 3 minutes ago
This whole article again shows how much English people overrate English players
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Or how much hipsters overrate foreign players
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Spot on.

Only have to have watched him in serie A or for France

Was either Lampard or Gerrard valued at £90 at this stage in their respective careers?

Chelsea bought Lampard for £11m just before he was 23

Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 minutes ago
Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.

Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m

comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 41 seconds ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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lol

Paul Poopba

Before he joined Man Utd, I hadn't seen much at all of Pogba - hasn't impressed me at all since. Clearly has all the main attributes needed, but his application is severely lacking.

Analog, how do you think he's performed this season?

comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good

comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 minutes ago
Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.

Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m
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The discussion was about ability rather than price though

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 21 minutes ago
This whole article again shows how much English people overrate English players
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Surely splashing out £90m for Pogba shows how much English clubs overrate foreign players?

I just read the opening few lines again....

'Comments on social media...'

Come on Analog you're better than that mate. As if that's an accurate gauge, social media is primarily Arsenal fans butchering polls and votes so their players win.

I don't know of anyone who's said that Alli is better than Pogba, because everyone is aware they play in different roles. I also am not aware of anyone saying that Pogba can't touch Gerrard and fat frank because he's been pony this season.

Pogba has been judged on his price and rep, which he's not come close to living up to. If he can't do so because he's not being utilised correctly then it shows beyond all reasonable doubt that The Stroppy One is the outdated pr!ck I thought he was

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Before he joined Man Utd, I hadn't seen much at all of Pogba - hasn't impressed me at all since. Clearly has all the main attributes needed, but his application is severely lacking.

Analog, how do you think he's performed this season?



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Well I saw him dominate our midfield at Old Trafford for starters

I've also seen him make many excellent passes, creating chances, dribbles through midfield and has been unlucky with the post a few times

Defensively not so great

Great article. Facts and stats matter

These rival fans (and some of our own fans) only watch games on MOTD and then feel they can adequately critique this 23 year old player we have lol

Yes hes had a tough few weeks but hasnt dissapeared once. Still constantly on the ball and play is still going through him

If you cant watch a united game and see how important to our play he is then you are a donut

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 minutes ago
Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.

Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.

Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m
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The discussion was about ability rather than price though
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Can you ignore the one over the other though?

The whole reason Pogba is in the spotlight is about his price in relation to his performance is it not?

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.