comment by ManUtd_CockOfTheNorth (U9818)
posted 1 minute ago
Great article. Facts and stats matter
These rival fans (and some of our own fans) only watch games on MOTD and then feel they can adequately critique this 23 year old player we have lol
Yes hes had a tough few weeks but hasnt dissapeared once. Still constantly on the ball and play is still going through him
If you cant watch a united game and see how important to our play he is then you are a donut
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Or that he's the weak link actually.
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 minutes ago
Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.
Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m
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The discussion was about ability rather than price though
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Can you ignore the one over the other though?
The whole reason Pogba is in the spotlight is about his price in relation to his performance is it not?
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Oh most definitely. But you also can't say he isn't as good as such as such a player at 23 because he cost 90 mill
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.
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Maybe if you find factually correct information funny, it might be laughable
Wijnaldum makes 46.1 passes per game on average, which is the eight highest in your squad. For a CM, that is a low amount of touches
Pogba on the other hand averages 75.1
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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Graceful
Was he graceful when he nearly ended someone's career a couple of weeks back?
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comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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Graceful
Was he graceful when he nearly ended someone's career a couple of weeks back?
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Thanks for wasting my time and misunderstanding the point.
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comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.
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Maybe if you find factually correct information funny, it might be laughable
Wijnaldum makes 46.1 passes per game on average, which is the eight highest in your squad. For a CM, that is a low amount of touches
Pogba on the other hand averages 75.1
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Right well passes ain't touches for a start and no it's not a low amount of touches for a cm at all. I'm not sure what Pogba has to do with it but yes he has had the most touches in the league I think (Henderson has the most passes). Funny really as a major criticism of Pogba is that he has a touch too many.
Your not credible.
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comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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Graceful
Was he graceful when he nearly ended someone's career a couple of weeks back?
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Thanks for wasting my time and misunderstanding the point.
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Calm down I'm jesting
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 47 minutes ago
I do think if a 23 year old Englishman was Utd's highest chance creator and dribbler they would be getting praised, yes
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This
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.
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Maybe if you find factually correct information funny, it might be laughable
Wijnaldum makes 46.1 passes per game on average, which is the eight highest in your squad. For a CM, that is a low amount of touches
Pogba on the other hand averages 75.1
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Right well passes ain't touches for a start and no it's not a low amount of touches for a cm at all. I'm not sure what Pogba has to do with it but yes he has had the most touches in the league I think (Henderson has the most passes). Funny really as a major criticism of Pogba is that he has a touch too many.
Your not credible.
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Touches and passes pretty much correlate, either way my point still stands with passing
46.1 is low for a CM in a team like Liverpool with so much possession btw. It's not like I'm randomly attacking Wijnaldum, I genuinely feel as though he's a pretty big reason why you don't win as many vs the lower teams, you need your CM to get on the ball, start probing and be creative, whereas he is more somebody who likes to make runs and receive in the final third
Imo I would look to improve that position if I were Klopp
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Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.
Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m
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The discussion was about ability rather than price though
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Can you ignore the one over the other though?
The whole reason Pogba is in the spotlight is about his price in relation to his performance is it not?
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Oh most definitely. But you also can't say he isn't as good as such as such a player at 23 because he cost 90 mill
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No, but you can say if a club pays £90m for a player he should be as close to, if not already the finished article and should make an immediate significant positive impact.
Pogba has one thing however, which is the price tag. Say what you want but that plays a massive part. Also do think he needs the right players around him to express himself fully, which utd don't possess.
Next season I'm expecting him to dominate PL and get himself in the best 3 players of the season at least.
Also stats only tell half the story. Gerrard was the captain of Liverpool at the same age.
Your point doesn't stand at all. To suggest Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is erroneous regardless of you now adding narrative of a "team like Liverpool" (I don't think Klopp wants Wijnaldum to play like Henderson or Lallana but that's another point I can't be bothered to explain to you).
He takes care of the ball and has probably been our best midfielder for the last three months. Ask any LFC fan, who've actually watched him, and I suspect they'll say the same.
It weird because he's been excellent in all the games against the top six and yet you think he's a weak link who barely touches the ball.
I've had this debate a number of times here and I've always said it's a question of expectation. If Paul Pogba never went to Juve and was not signed for £90m; if he was just some English lad who either broke through the academy or signed on the cheap from someone like Leyton Orient and put in the EXACT performances he's put this season, he'd be getting raved over. This is the facking league were players like Scott Parker and Charlie Adam have had the media going nuts in the past.
Pogba is certainly miles better now than Lampard was at this same stage of his career. Gerard is more disputable but I'd still lean towards Pogba.
I'm still not sure people would be raving about him but yes it's the price tag.
I think Gerrard is a better comparison because Lampard was a very different type of midfield player.
Like I said, he effects Liverpool more against the smaller sides, where you need your CMs to get on the ball and be creative, which isn't really his game
And to say he barely touches the ball for a CM isn't erroneous, there are 57 more players in the league who play more passes than him per game
Where do you think Liverpool should upgrade then, if not Wijnaldum, in the front six positions?
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I've had this debate a number of times here and I've always said it's a question of expectation. If Paul Pogba never went to Juve and was not signed for £90m; if he was just some English lad who either broke through the academy or signed on the cheap from someone like Leyton Orient and put in the EXACT performances he's put this season, he'd be getting raved over. This is the facking league were players like Scott Parker and Charlie Adam have had the media going nuts in the past.
Pogba is certainly miles better now than Lampard was at this same stage of his career. Gerard is more disputable but I'd still lean towards Pogba.
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I fully agree
I don't get the luxury player thing either. As an all-action footballer, not sure any midfielder in the division wins more duels than Pogba. Tackles, intercepts, wins aerial battles, dribbles through players, creates tons of chances, averages a good passing percentage for one who plays so many risky balls, gets into scoring positions (admittedly needs a lot of work on the end product). Pogba is not a "luxury" player in any way. A lazy, description.
Half of those 57 are derenders.
Did you see the bit where he had more touches than Dele Alli? Or Manė? Or Siggurdsson.
Not credible.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 26 seconds ago
Half of those 57 are derenders.
Did you see the bit where he had more touches than Dele Alli? Or Manė? Or Siggurdsson.
Not credible.
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I expect him to have more touches than those players. All of those players play in the final third whereas Wijnadlum is supposed to be the 2nd deepest CM
Midfielders and defenders obviously get more touches/make more passes than attackers
I think you're making this up as you go along.
His job is to look after the ball and get in the box. Just like Dele. He's often the futhest forward cm as it goes.
I can't be bothered to explain more.
Not making up as I go along at all, I've thought this for a while
So you're saying Lallana is the 2nd deepest CM? Come on now
Anyway, if the Liverpool manager and board hold Wijnaldum in the same view that you do that's great, it means he won't buy an upgrade
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comment by ManUtd_CockOfTheNorth (U9818)
posted 1 minute ago
Great article. Facts and stats matter
These rival fans (and some of our own fans) only watch games on MOTD and then feel they can adequately critique this 23 year old player we have lol
Yes hes had a tough few weeks but hasnt dissapeared once. Still constantly on the ball and play is still going through him
If you cant watch a united game and see how important to our play he is then you are a donut
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posted on 13/3/17
Or that he's the weak link actually.
posted on 13/3/17
comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 minutes ago
Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.
Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m
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The discussion was about ability rather than price though
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Can you ignore the one over the other though?
The whole reason Pogba is in the spotlight is about his price in relation to his performance is it not?
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Oh most definitely. But you also can't say he isn't as good as such as such a player at 23 because he cost 90 mill
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.
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Maybe if you find factually correct information funny, it might be laughable
Wijnaldum makes 46.1 passes per game on average, which is the eight highest in your squad. For a CM, that is a low amount of touches
Pogba on the other hand averages 75.1
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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Graceful
Was he graceful when he nearly ended someone's career a couple of weeks back?
posted on 13/3/17
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
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comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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Graceful
Was he graceful when he nearly ended someone's career a couple of weeks back?
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Thanks for wasting my time and misunderstanding the point.
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comment by Analog (U17200)
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comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.
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Maybe if you find factually correct information funny, it might be laughable
Wijnaldum makes 46.1 passes per game on average, which is the eight highest in your squad. For a CM, that is a low amount of touches
Pogba on the other hand averages 75.1
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Right well passes ain't touches for a start and no it's not a low amount of touches for a cm at all. I'm not sure what Pogba has to do with it but yes he has had the most touches in the league I think (Henderson has the most passes). Funny really as a major criticism of Pogba is that he has a touch too many.
Your not credible.
posted on 13/3/17
Sigh. You're *
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comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
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comment by Edinfam (U1109)
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comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
Was Dele much more athletic than Gerrard, Edin?
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Certainly so, Gerrard had a lot of determination to be fair to him, thus covered a lot. Yet Dele is seriously quick, covers a ridiculous amount of ground effortlessly as he is long legged, and also taller.
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hahaha, dele more athletic than gerrard jesus christ
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11570618/Mario-Balotelli-is-officially-Liverpools-laziest-player.html
Admittedly the latter is from 2015, when Gerrard was past his athletic best, yet distance stats weren't recorded when he as around the 25 year old mark.
I don't know where I would find speed statistics.
He has 6 cm on Gerrard, and the amount of headed goals and challenges in the air he wins suggest athleticism as well.
Just because he looks more graceful doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
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Graceful
Was he graceful when he nearly ended someone's career a couple of weeks back?
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Thanks for wasting my time and misunderstanding the point.
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Calm down I'm jesting
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comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 47 minutes ago
I do think if a 23 year old Englishman was Utd's highest chance creator and dribbler they would be getting praised, yes
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This
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
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comment by Analog (U17200)
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comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wijnaldum is a weak link in Liverpool's midfield who barely touches the ball yet gets the odd goal.
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Oh dear.
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Sorry all your players must be really good
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that writing Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is so wrong it's laughable.
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Maybe if you find factually correct information funny, it might be laughable
Wijnaldum makes 46.1 passes per game on average, which is the eight highest in your squad. For a CM, that is a low amount of touches
Pogba on the other hand averages 75.1
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Right well passes ain't touches for a start and no it's not a low amount of touches for a cm at all. I'm not sure what Pogba has to do with it but yes he has had the most touches in the league I think (Henderson has the most passes). Funny really as a major criticism of Pogba is that he has a touch too many.
Your not credible.
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Touches and passes pretty much correlate, either way my point still stands with passing
46.1 is low for a CM in a team like Liverpool with so much possession btw. It's not like I'm randomly attacking Wijnaldum, I genuinely feel as though he's a pretty big reason why you don't win as many vs the lower teams, you need your CM to get on the ball, start probing and be creative, whereas he is more somebody who likes to make runs and receive in the final third
Imo I would look to improve that position if I were Klopp
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Lampard. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Carrick. Top class player. Wasn't top class at 23.
Schweinsteiger. World class midfielder at his peak. Inconsistent left winger at 23.
Xavi. World class. Not even a guaranteed starter at 23 and didn't become world class until guardiola took over.
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And none of them valued at £90m
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The discussion was about ability rather than price though
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Can you ignore the one over the other though?
The whole reason Pogba is in the spotlight is about his price in relation to his performance is it not?
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Oh most definitely. But you also can't say he isn't as good as such as such a player at 23 because he cost 90 mill
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No, but you can say if a club pays £90m for a player he should be as close to, if not already the finished article and should make an immediate significant positive impact.
posted on 13/3/17
Pogba has one thing however, which is the price tag. Say what you want but that plays a massive part. Also do think he needs the right players around him to express himself fully, which utd don't possess.
Next season I'm expecting him to dominate PL and get himself in the best 3 players of the season at least.
Also stats only tell half the story. Gerrard was the captain of Liverpool at the same age.
posted on 13/3/17
Your point doesn't stand at all. To suggest Wijnaldum barely touches the ball is erroneous regardless of you now adding narrative of a "team like Liverpool" (I don't think Klopp wants Wijnaldum to play like Henderson or Lallana but that's another point I can't be bothered to explain to you).
He takes care of the ball and has probably been our best midfielder for the last three months. Ask any LFC fan, who've actually watched him, and I suspect they'll say the same.
It weird because he's been excellent in all the games against the top six and yet you think he's a weak link who barely touches the ball.
posted on 13/3/17
I've had this debate a number of times here and I've always said it's a question of expectation. If Paul Pogba never went to Juve and was not signed for £90m; if he was just some English lad who either broke through the academy or signed on the cheap from someone like Leyton Orient and put in the EXACT performances he's put this season, he'd be getting raved over. This is the facking league were players like Scott Parker and Charlie Adam have had the media going nuts in the past.
Pogba is certainly miles better now than Lampard was at this same stage of his career. Gerard is more disputable but I'd still lean towards Pogba.
posted on 13/3/17
I'm still not sure people would be raving about him but yes it's the price tag.
posted on 13/3/17
I think Gerrard is a better comparison because Lampard was a very different type of midfield player.
posted on 13/3/17
Like I said, he effects Liverpool more against the smaller sides, where you need your CMs to get on the ball and be creative, which isn't really his game
And to say he barely touches the ball for a CM isn't erroneous, there are 57 more players in the league who play more passes than him per game
Where do you think Liverpool should upgrade then, if not Wijnaldum, in the front six positions?
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've had this debate a number of times here and I've always said it's a question of expectation. If Paul Pogba never went to Juve and was not signed for £90m; if he was just some English lad who either broke through the academy or signed on the cheap from someone like Leyton Orient and put in the EXACT performances he's put this season, he'd be getting raved over. This is the facking league were players like Scott Parker and Charlie Adam have had the media going nuts in the past.
Pogba is certainly miles better now than Lampard was at this same stage of his career. Gerard is more disputable but I'd still lean towards Pogba.
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I fully agree
posted on 13/3/17
I don't get the luxury player thing either. As an all-action footballer, not sure any midfielder in the division wins more duels than Pogba. Tackles, intercepts, wins aerial battles, dribbles through players, creates tons of chances, averages a good passing percentage for one who plays so many risky balls, gets into scoring positions (admittedly needs a lot of work on the end product). Pogba is not a "luxury" player in any way. A lazy, description.
posted on 13/3/17
Half of those 57 are derenders.
Did you see the bit where he had more touches than Dele Alli? Or Manė? Or Siggurdsson.
Not credible.
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 26 seconds ago
Half of those 57 are derenders.
Did you see the bit where he had more touches than Dele Alli? Or Manė? Or Siggurdsson.
Not credible.
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I expect him to have more touches than those players. All of those players play in the final third whereas Wijnadlum is supposed to be the 2nd deepest CM
Midfielders and defenders obviously get more touches/make more passes than attackers
posted on 13/3/17
I think you're making this up as you go along.
His job is to look after the ball and get in the box. Just like Dele. He's often the futhest forward cm as it goes.
I can't be bothered to explain more.
posted on 13/3/17
Not making up as I go along at all, I've thought this for a while
So you're saying Lallana is the 2nd deepest CM? Come on now
Anyway, if the Liverpool manager and board hold Wijnaldum in the same view that you do that's great, it means he won't buy an upgrade
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