comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill

Via @thetimes
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Who gets charged?
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At school, it was usually the person who shouted 'Pile-on!' that got collared by the dinner ladies. The rest of the crowd would be allowed to disperse across the playground or school field.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
More has been spent in real terms on climate research in the last decade than was spent in the whole of the 20th century.

We have better instruments to measure all kinds of different changes in the atmosphere, on the ground and in the water; we have a lot more people working in more sub-specialties; we have a much wider and deeper data sets; we have more powerful resources with which to manage and model that data; we have an immeasurably better understanding of the relationships between the different kinds of changes which are happening than we had a generation ago.

It’s like comparing the quality of the predictions kids in a year seven science class might make about the results of a chemical reaction with those a postgrad might make be able to make.
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So, in short that "tech" has been developed now. Like SatNav's post about Tesla yesterday.
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That ^ isn’t really about tech; it’s about allocating resources to better understand the problems we’re facing.

Again, the very people on the cutting edge of climate tech research, across subspecialties, are telling us that we cannot rely on tech solutions to bail us out of this mess.

What constitutes a pile on ?

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
More has been spent in real terms on climate research in the last decade than was spent in the whole of the 20th century.

We have better instruments to measure all kinds of different changes in the atmosphere, on the ground and in the water; we have a lot more people working in more sub-specialties; we have a much wider and deeper data sets; we have more powerful resources with which to manage and model that data; we have an immeasurably better understanding of the relationships between the different kinds of changes which are happening than we had a generation ago.

It’s like comparing the quality of the predictions kids in a year seven science class might make about the results of a chemical reaction with those a postgrad might make be able to make.
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So, in short that "tech" has been developed now. Like SatNav's post about Tesla yesterday.
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Exactly although I think the study that insert linked made some more sophisticated points than ‘we’re better at doing it now’

It’s also, as ever, about methodology as much as anything else.

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Q

Got masel a new boy toy, Honda Fireblade 900 RR and love it.

Have you ever watched Mayans?

Those dudes might call it a Homocycle, lol.
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Rice-burning Jap-scrap. Get yourself some British Steel(made in Thailand) or Murrican Iron.

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?
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A 'pile on' is when everyone jumps on top of someone when they are on the ground. Regularly happens in school playgrounds.

People from places like Essex incorrectly call it a 'bundle'.

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?
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Did you never do pile ons at school?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvn5fT7C7_Y/hqdefault.jpg

For example

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?
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A 'pile on' is when everyone jumps on top of someone when they are on the ground. Regularly happens in school playgrounds.

People from places like Essex incorrectly call it a 'bundle'.
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A bundle? Those Essex lot really are ‘different’

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 24 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: British Ambassador to China to Liz Truss: ‘Why can’t the UK treat China like we treat the French?’

Liz Truss: ‘Because the French aren’t committing genocide’

Via @thetimes

👏👏👏
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Morning DGL, mate.

Diplomacy alert....incoming.
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Easy win for Truss as China not at cop😅
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Why the need to talk to the world about targets they have no intentions of meeting. (Not China, all of them)
How many if these conferences have we had? How many targets have been met?
Fookin virtue signalling circle jerk.

There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 23 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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This.

So, as I said. Virtue signalling circle jerk.

Sat nav:

The thing I think that's still highly relevant, from that link is the graph showing the upper and lower predictions, the mean and the actual.

When you quote extreme predictions, such as Florida, or Al gore earlier, you need to seek out the actual quote. People saying it "could" happen are not wrong if in Al gore's case, 85% of that Ice IS now gone.

I think it's crazy to continue to suggest that people's predictions were wrong based on their worst case proposals, again:

Al Gore: "All ice could be gone from mt Kilimanjaro by 2020"
Climate deniers in 2020: "lol, still ice here'
Reality: just 15% of the ice at the time of the prediction is left.

Can you not see how bonkers that is?! Especially when these cascades are exponential? Less ice = less heat reflected away = higher temperatures = faster year on year melting = less ice..

Or the same with forest fires, the fires across the northwestern United States, one of the biggest carbon capturing areas on the planet no longer has a net benefit to us because of temp rises.

The Florida keys example is a bit of a cherry pick, global average sea level monitoring is probably better rather than both sides picking the outliers that suit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

And sorry for the very slow reply, I've been busy soldering my clock

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
And sorry for the very slow reply, I've been busy soldering my clock
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Oooooohh matron!

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 11 minutes ago
And sorry for the very slow reply, I've been busy soldering my clock
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Buy a new one.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Golf Club Defecator (U3126)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
And sorry for the very slow reply, I've been busy soldering my clock
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Oooooohh matron!
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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 11 minutes ago
And sorry for the very slow reply, I've been busy soldering my clock
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Buy a new one.
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It . Errrr.. ummm.... Is a new one.. that I got last Christmas 🤣

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 11 minutes ago
And sorry for the very slow reply, I've been busy soldering my clock
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Buy a new one.
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It . Errrr.. ummm.... Is a new one.. that I got last Christmas 🤣
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That planned obsolescence you were talking about earlier. Get the latest model.
I'm just pulling your leg. At least you have the right to repair. Maybe check out the new soldering irons.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
And it was just al gore there were others mentioned, you’re just sticking to al gore and the maybes/could be/might possibly type caveats.

As I asked; are these predictions also could bes and maybes? Or are they definitive?
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Perhaps you should actually read the links provided to you, before continuing the conversation
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Fair enough
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Ok so I’ve read your link. So according to the study linked, the predictions of global temperatures has been more accurate than previously thought and that newer models are also more accurate as they have matured and become more sophisticated.
That’s a fair précis, right?

It is always fair to assume a large variance when it comes to predictions and that’s fine by me, I’m not going to moan much if a prediction is 10% out for example.

My issue is about the consequences of the temperature rises. So for example, your given example of 20/30 years millions of acres will be desert/flooded. Which therefore means we must take action. What I am saying is that there have been numerous of these consequence predictions that have not come to pass.

The Maldives would be underwater by now (three years ago in fact) as predicted in 2018

Was England not predicted to be gone by 2000?


In 1986, the Environmental Protection Agency’s Jim Titus predicted that the sea level around Florida would rise two feet by 2020, The Miami Herald reported.

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According to NOAA, the sea level at Virginia Key has risen by about 9 centimeters, which works out to 3.54 inches.



And so on, there are plenty of examples.


So my point is that no-one is even debating global temperatures rising (that’s obvious and cyclical) but what we are questioning are two things:
1. Are the effects of the rises we are seeing actually causing what is being predicted?
2. Are the changes we are pushing for going to cause a net benefit or not? How do we stop developing countries from developing. It’s all good saying we should push them to be grow in a ‘cleaner’ fashion; but how is that paid for? It’s still too expensive for these countries to do this. What’s the plan with countries like China etc. The debate about China is not ‘look how much they’re pumping into the atmosphere’ it’s ‘what happens to China (and other poorer countries) if we stop manufacturing there or reduce it as Tam said? Well the answer is pretty obvious not anyone willing to be honest, it will mean a reduction in production, a reduction in jobs, a reduction in GDP and therefore an increase in poverty and all the negatives that come with that.

I look forward to your or anyone proposals that they have read about or their own personal suggestions as to how we go about making things cleaner but not causing a different catastrophe in terms of jobs/GDP/poverty as a direct consequence.
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If we invest enough money in tackling climate change then its doable. Look how the world reacted to covid. If there's enough money and will then history shows that solutions are always found. The difference is that covid is an immediate threat and the world reacts to that. Climate change is a slow burner and the attitude towards it is very much different.

Take the military budgets and invest that in tackling climate change. I assure you we'll deal with it in record time, just like we found a covid vaccine within months. Coronaviruses have always been around and we'd never found a vaccine. Efforts were lackadaisical and half hearted for decades. The moment it became an existential threat then voila! Vaccine within months.

Scientists will get really creative and corporations will turn their attention to climate change if there's enough money to be made.

You're welcome.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 57 minutes ago
Sat nav:

The thing I think that's still highly relevant, from that link is the graph showing the upper and lower predictions, the mean and the actual.

When you quote extreme predictions, such as Florida, or Al gore earlier, you need to seek out the actual quote. People saying it "could" happen are not wrong if in Al gore's case, 85% of that Ice IS now gone.

I think it's crazy to continue to suggest that people's predictions were wrong based on their worst case proposals, again:

Al Gore: "All ice could be gone from mt Kilimanjaro by 2020"
Climate deniers in 2020: "lol, still ice here'
Reality: just 15% of the ice at the time of the prediction is left.

Can you not see how bonkers that is?! Especially when these cascades are exponential? Less ice = less heat reflected away = higher temperatures = faster year on year melting = less ice..

Or the same with forest fires, the fires across the northwestern United States, one of the biggest carbon capturing areas on the planet no longer has a net benefit to us because of temp rises.

The Florida keys example is a bit of a cherry pick, global average sea level monitoring is probably better rather than both sides picking the outliers that suit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
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Yeah I saw the variance; the trend seems to roughly match the global temperatures rises as I mentioned earlier on.

On Kilimanjaro it’s about 15% from 1912 not from when Al Gore was talking about it. So that’s from 110 years rather than 20 years.

I don’t know if it’s mental or not or how much humans have contributed as no-one is disputing that the planet is warming but how much we are causing said warming and whether the counter measures are a net benefit or not.

Florida is only one example, I also gave the Maldives 2018 and England 2000.

I also provided this article earlier

https://www.science.org/content/article/un-climate-panel-confronts-implausibly-hot-forecasts-future-warming

My questions from earlier still stand. This is my issue with all of this, we bang on about the horrible pending consequences and I think everyone understands the negatives to let’s say forcing countries to ‘down tools’ on growth - what’s the plan to have a balance?