comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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Not everybody. What's going on?

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
And it was just al gore there were others mentioned, you’re just sticking to al gore and the maybes/could be/might possibly type caveats.

As I asked; are these predictions also could bes and maybes? Or are they definitive?
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Perhaps you should actually read the links provided to you, before continuing the conversation
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Fair enough
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Ok so I’ve read your link. So according to the study linked, the predictions of global temperatures has been more accurate than previously thought and that newer models are also more accurate as they have matured and become more sophisticated.
That’s a fair précis, right?

It is always fair to assume a large variance when it comes to predictions and that’s fine by me, I’m not going to moan much if a prediction is 10% out for example.

My issue is about the consequences of the temperature rises. So for example, your given example of 20/30 years millions of acres will be desert/flooded. Which therefore means we must take action. What I am saying is that there have been numerous of these consequence predictions that have not come to pass.

The Maldives would be underwater by now (three years ago in fact) as predicted in 2018

Was England not predicted to be gone by 2000?


In 1986, the Environmental Protection Agency’s Jim Titus predicted that the sea level around Florida would rise two feet by 2020, The Miami Herald reported.

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According to NOAA, the sea level at Virginia Key has risen by about 9 centimeters, which works out to 3.54 inches.



And so on, there are plenty of examples.


So my point is that no-one is even debating global temperatures rising (that’s obvious and cyclical) but what we are questioning are two things:
1. Are the effects of the rises we are seeing actually causing what is being predicted?
2. Are the changes we are pushing for going to cause a net benefit or not? How do we stop developing countries from developing. It’s all good saying we should push them to be grow in a ‘cleaner’ fashion; but how is that paid for? It’s still too expensive for these countries to do this. What’s the plan with countries like China etc. The debate about China is not ‘look how much they’re pumping into the atmosphere’ it’s ‘what happens to China (and other poorer countries) if we stop manufacturing there or reduce it as Tam said? Well the answer is pretty obvious not anyone willing to be honest, it will mean a reduction in production, a reduction in jobs, a reduction in GDP and therefore an increase in poverty and all the negatives that come with that.

I look forward to your or anyone proposals that they have read about or their own personal suggestions as to how we go about making things cleaner but not causing a different catastrophe in terms of jobs/GDP/poverty as a direct consequence.
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If we invest enough money in tackling climate change then its doable. Look how the world reacted to covid. If there's enough money and will then history shows that solutions are always found. The difference is that covid is an immediate threat and the world reacts to that. Climate change is a slow burner and the attitude towards it is very much different.

Take the military budgets and invest that in tackling climate change. I assure you we'll deal with it in record time, just like we found a covid vaccine within months. Coronaviruses have always been around and we'd never found a vaccine. Efforts were lackadaisical and half hearted for decades. The moment it became an existential threat then voila! Vaccine within months.

Scientists will get really creative and corporations will turn their attention to climate change if there's enough money to be made.

You're welcome.
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Thank you Kloppinator

Military budgets could help a bit although other than the US we all spend a relative pittance no? But at least you’re thinking about solutions!

Money can solve things but I think we’re talking a boat load of money here to both keep investment on clean tech and also keep poorer countries growing.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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Not everybody. What's going on?
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Gleneagles has two charging points for electric cars.

They're bringing in diesel generators to charge the electric cars that the delegates will be driving to show they're serious about climate change.

Produce the new tech in these poorer countries?

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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Not everybody. What's going on?
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Gleneagles has two charging points for electric cars.

They're bringing in diesel generators to charge the electric cars that the delegates will be driving to show they're serious about climate change.
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Sums the whole situation up pretty well

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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virtue signalling circle jerk. Biden reneging on his coal ban too.

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 seconds ago
This is a genuine debate and if you (Insert) or Tam are tired of discussing things with me or anyone else, then feel free not to. But if there are ideas or solutions out there that I am not aware of, then I’d like to hear them.

It’s not like I want the planet to die or that you want people to be poor.
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India, like China, can legitimately ask why they cannot have what europe and America have from industrialization, so the so called developed nations have to provide alternatives or money for developing nations, via Cop26, but will they, can they or even should they fund China or India to Not develop and industrialise further?

David Attenborough tackles the elephant in the room too on global over population, trebling in his lifetime, and putting so much more pressure on the planet, But, how do we tackle that minefield also?


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nature will solve the human problem soon enough
only so many humans this planet can sustain
there will be a major culling event be mother nature at some point
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Well, that has cheered me right up, peks mate.

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Lol that went wrong

And them all staying at Gleneagles?
Lining the pockets of a climate change denier.

https://images.app.goo.gl/UsuqucAd42Ytu7Ms8

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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Not everybody. What's going on?
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Gleneagles has two charging points for electric cars.

They're bringing in diesel generators to charge the electric cars that the delegates will be driving to show they're serious about climate change.
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FFS.

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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Not everybody. What's going on?
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Gleneagles has two charging points for electric cars.

They're bringing in diesel generators to charge the electric cars that the delegates will be driving to show they're serious about climate change.
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Howdy Ivan.

That is bonkers....they are talking about opening up a new oil drilling base off the Scottish coast too, while telling developing nations to reign it in?

I think we have about 29k electric car charging points in the uk, but need 450k.

25k cop26 delegates in Glasgow ( covid chaos) and a 100 million security bill to boot.

comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
There can't be one person that thinks anything will actually happen out of COP26 surely. Everyone must just hear the soundbites and roll their eyes.
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Everyone knows about the Tesla issues at Gleneagles (where the delegates are staying), right?

Because that pretty much sums it up.
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Not everybody. What's going on?
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Gleneagles has two charging points for electric cars.

They're bringing in diesel generators to charge the electric cars that the delegates will be driving to show they're serious about climate change.
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Sums the whole situation up pretty well
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Does, Rosso.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
Lol that went wrong
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To be put on my headstone.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 5 minutes ago
And them all staying at Gleneagles?
Lining the pockets of a climate change denier.
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Trumps hairspray created a hole in the O zone.

Straight up, like his hair in the wind.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
New Sign from TFL

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Gotcha.

That is bonkers....they are talking about opening up a new oil drilling base off the Scottish coast too, while telling developing nations to reign it in?
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tbbab

The Cambo oil field is a political hot potato at the moment. The UK government are wanting to get it open asap with the Scottish Secretary on the tv this weekend saying it would be 'foolish' to think we wouldn't open it up.

Sturgeon hasn't been quite as enthusiastic about opening it up but I suspect if a gun was put to her head she'd go for it too.

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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?
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Did you never do pile ons at school?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvn5fT7C7_Y/hqdefault.jpg

For example
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No, things used to get sorted out after school if needed.

Maybe that's a bad metaphor these days for politicians....sorry folks.

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?
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Did you never do pile ons at school?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvn5fT7C7_Y/hqdefault.jpg

For example
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No, things used to get sorted out after school if needed.
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Pile ons weren't fights. Just if someone was on the ground everyone would jump on them. It was supposed to be fun.

I'm surprised if you never used to do that. I'm pretty sure most kids did it

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 35 seconds ago
That is bonkers....they are talking about opening up a new oil drilling base off the Scottish coast too, while telling developing nations to reign it in?
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tbbab

The Cambo oil field is a political hot potato at the moment. The UK government are wanting to get it open asap with the Scottish Secretary on the tv this weekend saying it would be 'foolish' to think we wouldn't open it up.

Sturgeon hasn't been quite as enthusiastic about opening it up but I suspect if a gun was put to her head she'd go for it too.
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Possibly influenced by the Greens in "coalition", Nicola may have to play along, or at least be seen to oppose Cambo?....before saying, aye.

Short term financial gain v planet pain, Ivan.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
What constitutes a pile on ?
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You got piled on every day at school, id say at least 4 school kids
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Eh? Wtf are you talking about ?
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Did you never do pile ons at school?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvn5fT7C7_Y/hqdefault.jpg

For example
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No, things used to get sorted out after school if needed.
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Pile ons weren't fights. Just if someone was on the ground everyone would jump on them. It was supposed to be fun.

I'm surprised if you never used to do that. I'm pretty sure most kids did it
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I thought they were big electricity things.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 35 seconds ago
That is bonkers....they are talking about opening up a new oil drilling base off the Scottish coast too, while telling developing nations to reign it in?
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tbbab

The Cambo oil field is a political hot potato at the moment. The UK government are wanting to get it open asap with the Scottish Secretary on the tv this weekend saying it would be 'foolish' to think we wouldn't open it up.

Sturgeon hasn't been quite as enthusiastic about opening it up but I suspect if a gun was put to her head she'd go for it too.
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Possibly influenced by the Greens in "coalition", Nicola may have to play along, or at least be seen to oppose Cambo?....before saying, aye.

Short term financial gain v planet pain, Ivan.
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Think that's pretty much it mate.

For what it's worth, I think both Sturgeon and Johnson genuinely believe that change is needed and accept that there's urgency. But when push comes to shove, neither the two of them, and particularly Johnson, will make the tough decisions that are necessary because ultimately they're politicians and they'll see it as economic - and therefore electoral - suicide.

Yeah the eyebrow bought a pipeline to save the planet.