comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
And it was just al gore there were others mentioned, you’re just sticking to al gore and the maybes/could be/might possibly type caveats.
As I asked; are these predictions also could bes and maybes? Or are they definitive?
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Perhaps you should actually read the links provided to you, before continuing the conversation
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Fair enough
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Ok so I’ve read your link. So according to the study linked, the predictions of global temperatures has been more accurate than previously thought and that newer models are also more accurate as they have matured and become more sophisticated.
That’s a fair précis, right?
It is always fair to assume a large variance when it comes to predictions and that’s fine by me, I’m not going to moan much if a prediction is 10% out for example.
My issue is about the consequences of the temperature rises. So for example, your given example of 20/30 years millions of acres will be desert/flooded. Which therefore means we must take action. What I am saying is that there have been numerous of these consequence predictions that have not come to pass.
The Maldives would be underwater by now (three years ago in fact) as predicted in 2018
Was England not predicted to be gone by 2000?
In 1986, the Environmental Protection Agency’s Jim Titus predicted that the sea level around Florida would rise two feet by 2020, The Miami Herald reported.
0.203
According to NOAA, the sea level at Virginia Key has risen by about 9 centimeters, which works out to 3.54 inches.
And so on, there are plenty of examples.
So my point is that no-one is even debating global temperatures rising (that’s obvious and cyclical) but what we are questioning are two things:
1. Are the effects of the rises we are seeing actually causing what is being predicted?
2. Are the changes we are pushing for going to cause a net benefit or not? How do we stop developing countries from developing. It’s all good saying we should push them to be grow in a ‘cleaner’ fashion; but how is that paid for? It’s still too expensive for these countries to do this. What’s the plan with countries like China etc. The debate about China is not ‘look how much they’re pumping into the atmosphere’ it’s ‘what happens to China (and other poorer countries) if we stop manufacturing there or reduce it as Tam said? Well the answer is pretty obvious not anyone willing to be honest, it will mean a reduction in production, a reduction in jobs, a reduction in GDP and therefore an increase in poverty and all the negatives that come with that.
I look forward to your or anyone proposals that they have read about or their own personal suggestions as to how we go about making things cleaner but not causing a different catastrophe in terms of jobs/GDP/poverty as a direct consequence.
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Interesting read.
As an aside, London, Netherlands and parts of south east England should be underwater, but man made barriers prevent this from happening, so although humans invariably mess up, we also find solutions to problems.
Let us hope wise heads prevail at Cop26, before the clock strikes midnight.
In 1986…
————
Predictions made 30 years ago are pretty much like looking at horoscopes.
As you state, predictions now are far more precise.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
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Growth is also unsustainable.
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Think of something that grows forever. Wouldn't it eventually just run out of food or fuel or whatever sustains that growth?
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
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Growth is also unsustainable.
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Think of something that grows forever. Wouldn't it eventually just run out of food or fuel or whatever sustains that growth?
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Rangers fans just keep on growing, buddy.
Q
Got masel a new boy toy, Honda Fireblade 900 RR and love it.
Have you ever watched Mayans?
Those dudes might call it a Homocycle, lol.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
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Almost like a virus consuming it's host.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
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Almost like a virus consuming it's host.
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Rangers will get hammered for this.
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posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
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Growth is also unsustainable.
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Yes it cannot last forever and ever but it helps bring people out of poverty.
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Until it doesn't.
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Sure, when the poorer countries reach western levels of prosperity I’m sure they’ll let you know. Until then, I think they’re more concerned about feeding their children than what may or may not happen in the next 100 years
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And 20/30 years from now, when western societies are buying up even more food globally, due to crop failures, and those very same kids are dieing of hunger, and their homes become unliveable I'm sure they will be really happy for a few more years of consumerism.
I'd rather solve the issue of a lack of food now, than do it when millions of acres globally have been flooded/desertified.
Short term thinking.
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So in 20/30 years from now millions of acres will either be deserts or flooded?
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Have you seen the flooding in the Midwestern U.S.? During their longest drought since the Dust Bowl of the 30s. Class 4 and 5 hurricanes have doubled since 1990.
Forests in western North America are emitting more carbon than oxygen thanks to fires due to climate change.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
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Almost like a virus consuming it's host.
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But what if climate change isn't as severe as predicted and we make a better world for no reason 🤔
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth is also unsustainable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes it cannot last forever and ever but it helps bring people out of poverty.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Until it doesn't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, when the poorer countries reach western levels of prosperity I’m sure they’ll let you know. Until then, I think they’re more concerned about feeding their children than what may or may not happen in the next 100 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And 20/30 years from now, when western societies are buying up even more food globally, due to crop failures, and those very same kids are dieing of hunger, and their homes become unliveable I'm sure they will be really happy for a few more years of consumerism.
I'd rather solve the issue of a lack of food now, than do it when millions of acres globally have been flooded/desertified.
Short term thinking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in 20/30 years from now millions of acres will either be deserts or flooded?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you seen the flooding in the Midwestern U.S.? During their longest drought since the Dust Bowl of the 30s. Class 4 and 5 hurricanes have doubled since 1990.
Forests in western North America are emitting more carbon than oxygen thanks to fires due to climate change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's nice out here, though.
MMCC...think we are cooked, big yin.
Loyalist gunmen doing what loyalist gunmen do, thanks to Brexit and the international internal border between the 2 parts of the UK.
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
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The supposed war or Cold War and efforts spent on it will probably cost more than the amount of gdp the fishing industry brings into the UK.
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The supposed war or Cold War and efforts spent on it will probably cost more than the amount of gdp the fishing industry brings into the UK.
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Not for the first time this inept government have spent our money on their vanity projects. Party over country every time.
The usual suspects will be on their knees to justify this
expensive idiocy though.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
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Its called capitalism.
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Communism and socialism are also based on growth. We basically need a new system and the world needs to find a way to adjust.
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Psycho historians like Hari Seldon.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
Loyalist gunmen doing what loyalist gunmen do, thanks to Brexit and the international internal border between the 2 parts of the UK.
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I don't think they were armed. Just a few arsonists.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59117071
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Golf Club Defecator (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
Loyalist gunmen doing what loyalist gunmen do, thanks to Brexit and the international internal border between the 2 parts of the UK.
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I don't think they were armed. Just a few arsonists.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59117071
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Apologies, they were armed ffs
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
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The supposed war or Cold War and efforts spent on it will probably cost more than the amount of gdp the fishing industry brings into the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might just be me, but I don't think starting a war with a country who could shut off our energy supply and has companies that run our nuclear power would be all that fruitful.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 seconds ago
This is a genuine debate and if you (Insert) or Tam are tired of discussing things with me or anyone else, then feel free not to. But if there are ideas or solutions out there that I am not aware of, then I’d like to hear them.
It’s not like I want the planet to die or that you want people to be poor.
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India, like China, can legitimately ask why they cannot have what europe and America have from industrialization, so the so called developed nations have to provide alternatives or money for developing nations, via Cop26, but will they, can they or even should they fund China or India to Not develop and industrialise further?
David Attenborough tackles the elephant in the room too on global over population, trebling in his lifetime, and putting so much more pressure on the planet, But, how do we tackle that minefield also?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
nature will solve the human problem soon enough
only so many humans this planet can sustain
there will be a major culling event be mother nature at some point
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 24 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: British Ambassador to China to Liz Truss: ‘Why can’t the UK treat China like we treat the French?’
Liz Truss: ‘Because the French aren’t committing genocide’
Via @thetimes
👏👏👏
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Morning DGL, mate.
Diplomacy alert....incoming.
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Easy win for Truss as China not at cop😅
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill
Via @thetimes
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 38 minutes ago
In 1986…
————
Predictions made 30 years ago are pretty much like looking at horoscopes.
As you state, predictions now are far more precise.
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The study that insert linked claims that, not me.
https://www.science.org/content/article/un-climate-panel-confronts-implausibly-hot-forecasts-future-warming
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill
Via @thetimes
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Who gets charged?
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
More has been spent in real terms on climate research in the last decade than was spent in the whole of the 20th century.
We have better instruments to measure all kinds of different changes in the atmosphere, on the ground and in the water; we have a lot more people working in more sub-specialties; we have a much wider and deeper data sets; we have more powerful resources with which to manage and model that data; we have an immeasurably better understanding of the relationships between the different kinds of changes which are happening than we had a generation ago.
It’s like comparing the quality of the predictions kids in a year seven science class might make about the results of a chemical reaction with those a postgrad might make be able to make.
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So, in short that "tech" has been developed now. Like SatNav's post about Tesla yesterday.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill
Via @thetimes
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Who gets charged?
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Depends who's in government
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posted on 1/11/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
And it was just al gore there were others mentioned, you’re just sticking to al gore and the maybes/could be/might possibly type caveats.
As I asked; are these predictions also could bes and maybes? Or are they definitive?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Perhaps you should actually read the links provided to you, before continuing the conversation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok so I’ve read your link. So according to the study linked, the predictions of global temperatures has been more accurate than previously thought and that newer models are also more accurate as they have matured and become more sophisticated.
That’s a fair précis, right?
It is always fair to assume a large variance when it comes to predictions and that’s fine by me, I’m not going to moan much if a prediction is 10% out for example.
My issue is about the consequences of the temperature rises. So for example, your given example of 20/30 years millions of acres will be desert/flooded. Which therefore means we must take action. What I am saying is that there have been numerous of these consequence predictions that have not come to pass.
The Maldives would be underwater by now (three years ago in fact) as predicted in 2018
Was England not predicted to be gone by 2000?
In 1986, the Environmental Protection Agency’s Jim Titus predicted that the sea level around Florida would rise two feet by 2020, The Miami Herald reported.
0.203
According to NOAA, the sea level at Virginia Key has risen by about 9 centimeters, which works out to 3.54 inches.
And so on, there are plenty of examples.
So my point is that no-one is even debating global temperatures rising (that’s obvious and cyclical) but what we are questioning are two things:
1. Are the effects of the rises we are seeing actually causing what is being predicted?
2. Are the changes we are pushing for going to cause a net benefit or not? How do we stop developing countries from developing. It’s all good saying we should push them to be grow in a ‘cleaner’ fashion; but how is that paid for? It’s still too expensive for these countries to do this. What’s the plan with countries like China etc. The debate about China is not ‘look how much they’re pumping into the atmosphere’ it’s ‘what happens to China (and other poorer countries) if we stop manufacturing there or reduce it as Tam said? Well the answer is pretty obvious not anyone willing to be honest, it will mean a reduction in production, a reduction in jobs, a reduction in GDP and therefore an increase in poverty and all the negatives that come with that.
I look forward to your or anyone proposals that they have read about or their own personal suggestions as to how we go about making things cleaner but not causing a different catastrophe in terms of jobs/GDP/poverty as a direct consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Interesting read.
As an aside, London, Netherlands and parts of south east England should be underwater, but man made barriers prevent this from happening, so although humans invariably mess up, we also find solutions to problems.
Let us hope wise heads prevail at Cop26, before the clock strikes midnight.
posted on 1/11/21
In 1986…
————
Predictions made 30 years ago are pretty much like looking at horoscopes.
As you state, predictions now are far more precise.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth is also unsustainable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think of something that grows forever. Wouldn't it eventually just run out of food or fuel or whatever sustains that growth?
posted on 1/11/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth is also unsustainable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think of something that grows forever. Wouldn't it eventually just run out of food or fuel or whatever sustains that growth?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rangers fans just keep on growing, buddy.
posted on 1/11/21
Q
Got masel a new boy toy, Honda Fireblade 900 RR and love it.
Have you ever watched Mayans?
Those dudes might call it a Homocycle, lol.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Almost like a virus consuming it's host.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Almost like a virus consuming it's host.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rangers will get hammered for this.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth is also unsustainable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes it cannot last forever and ever but it helps bring people out of poverty.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Until it doesn't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, when the poorer countries reach western levels of prosperity I’m sure they’ll let you know. Until then, I think they’re more concerned about feeding their children than what may or may not happen in the next 100 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And 20/30 years from now, when western societies are buying up even more food globally, due to crop failures, and those very same kids are dieing of hunger, and their homes become unliveable I'm sure they will be really happy for a few more years of consumerism.
I'd rather solve the issue of a lack of food now, than do it when millions of acres globally have been flooded/desertified.
Short term thinking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in 20/30 years from now millions of acres will either be deserts or flooded?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you seen the flooding in the Midwestern U.S.? During their longest drought since the Dust Bowl of the 30s. Class 4 and 5 hurricanes have doubled since 1990.
Forests in western North America are emitting more carbon than oxygen thanks to fires due to climate change.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Almost like a virus consuming it's host.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But what if climate change isn't as severe as predicted and we make a better world for no reason 🤔
posted on 1/11/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 minutes ago
I love how the notion that growth decreases poverty is hypothetical
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth is also unsustainable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes it cannot last forever and ever but it helps bring people out of poverty.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Until it doesn't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, when the poorer countries reach western levels of prosperity I’m sure they’ll let you know. Until then, I think they’re more concerned about feeding their children than what may or may not happen in the next 100 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And 20/30 years from now, when western societies are buying up even more food globally, due to crop failures, and those very same kids are dieing of hunger, and their homes become unliveable I'm sure they will be really happy for a few more years of consumerism.
I'd rather solve the issue of a lack of food now, than do it when millions of acres globally have been flooded/desertified.
Short term thinking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in 20/30 years from now millions of acres will either be deserts or flooded?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you seen the flooding in the Midwestern U.S.? During their longest drought since the Dust Bowl of the 30s. Class 4 and 5 hurricanes have doubled since 1990.
Forests in western North America are emitting more carbon than oxygen thanks to fires due to climate change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's nice out here, though.
MMCC...think we are cooked, big yin.
posted on 1/11/21
Loyalist gunmen doing what loyalist gunmen do, thanks to Brexit and the international internal border between the 2 parts of the UK.
posted on 1/11/21
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The supposed war or Cold War and efforts spent on it will probably cost more than the amount of gdp the fishing industry brings into the UK.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The supposed war or Cold War and efforts spent on it will probably cost more than the amount of gdp the fishing industry brings into the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not for the first time this inept government have spent our money on their vanity projects. Party over country every time.
The usual suspects will be on their knees to justify this
expensive idiocy though.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
The biggest problem in the world is that every economic system is based on growth on a planet with finite resources. Basically driving our own destruction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its called capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Communism and socialism are also based on growth. We basically need a new system and the world needs to find a way to adjust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Psycho historians like Hari Seldon.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
Loyalist gunmen doing what loyalist gunmen do, thanks to Brexit and the international internal border between the 2 parts of the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think they were armed. Just a few arsonists.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59117071
posted on 1/11/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Golf Club Defecator (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
Loyalist gunmen doing what loyalist gunmen do, thanks to Brexit and the international internal border between the 2 parts of the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think they were armed. Just a few arsonists.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59117071
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apologies, they were armed ffs
posted on 1/11/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
Johnson trying to go to war with France over licences for tiny little boats that have next to zero impact on quotas.
Flag 5haggers are fully on board with the jingoism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The supposed war or Cold War and efforts spent on it will probably cost more than the amount of gdp the fishing industry brings into the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might just be me, but I don't think starting a war with a country who could shut off our energy supply and has companies that run our nuclear power would be all that fruitful.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 seconds ago
This is a genuine debate and if you (Insert) or Tam are tired of discussing things with me or anyone else, then feel free not to. But if there are ideas or solutions out there that I am not aware of, then I’d like to hear them.
It’s not like I want the planet to die or that you want people to be poor.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
India, like China, can legitimately ask why they cannot have what europe and America have from industrialization, so the so called developed nations have to provide alternatives or money for developing nations, via Cop26, but will they, can they or even should they fund China or India to Not develop and industrialise further?
David Attenborough tackles the elephant in the room too on global over population, trebling in his lifetime, and putting so much more pressure on the planet, But, how do we tackle that minefield also?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
nature will solve the human problem soon enough
only so many humans this planet can sustain
there will be a major culling event be mother nature at some point
posted on 1/11/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 24 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: British Ambassador to China to Liz Truss: ‘Why can’t the UK treat China like we treat the French?’
Liz Truss: ‘Because the French aren’t committing genocide’
Via @thetimes
👏👏👏
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning DGL, mate.
Diplomacy alert....incoming.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Easy win for Truss as China not at cop😅
posted on 1/11/21
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill
Via @thetimes
posted on 1/11/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 38 minutes ago
In 1986…
————
Predictions made 30 years ago are pretty much like looking at horoscopes.
As you state, predictions now are far more precise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The study that insert linked claims that, not me.
https://www.science.org/content/article/un-climate-panel-confronts-implausibly-hot-forecasts-future-warming
posted on 1/11/21
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill
Via @thetimes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets charged?
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
More has been spent in real terms on climate research in the last decade than was spent in the whole of the 20th century.
We have better instruments to measure all kinds of different changes in the atmosphere, on the ground and in the water; we have a lot more people working in more sub-specialties; we have a much wider and deeper data sets; we have more powerful resources with which to manage and model that data; we have an immeasurably better understanding of the relationships between the different kinds of changes which are happening than we had a generation ago.
It’s like comparing the quality of the predictions kids in a year seven science class might make about the results of a chemical reaction with those a postgrad might make be able to make.
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So, in short that "tech" has been developed now. Like SatNav's post about Tesla yesterday.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: So-called Twitter ‘pile-ons’ will be made a criminal offence in the new Online Safety Bill
Via @thetimes
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Who gets charged?
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Depends who's in government
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