comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
Starmer has gone out of his way, repeatedly, as Reeves did with Kay Burley last week, to emphasise that there was an independent disciplinary investigation and process and that the party leadership absolutely couldn’t interfere with that and that that process was ongoing and had to run its course.
The independent process was completed - reported and was closed - in December.
They could have wrapped all of this up in December, or at any point since then, so “there’s a GE coming up” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
The disciplinary committee did not recommend that Abbott should no longer represent the party or that the NEC should bar her from standing in the future afaik. The NEC has decided that unilaterally.
I hope Diane Abbott elects to stand as an independent and wipes the floor with the Labour candidate in Hackney North.
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If she stands, along with Corbyn, she will find out how people really feel
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True I suspect she won’t stand though.
I also reckon Corbyn is going to absolutely walk Islington North, regardless of the resources thrown at it by Labour.
Personally, I don’t feel any overwhelming sympathy for Abbott (on this matter, at least). She’s had a long and distinguished career, and will retire well-respected (within the party and by Labour voters, at least) and comfortable.
My sympathies continue to lie with the Labour Party membership and the CLPs, who continue to be shafted by the NEC and PLP, left, right and centre.
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
Starmer has gone out of his way, repeatedly, as Reeves did with Kay Burley last week, to emphasise that there was an independent disciplinary investigation and process and that the party leadership absolutely couldn’t interfere with that and that that process was ongoing and had to run its course.
The independent process was completed - reported and was closed - in December.
They could have wrapped all of this up in December, or at any point since then, so “there’s a GE coming up” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
The disciplinary committee did not recommend that Abbott should no longer represent the party or that the NEC should bar her from standing in the future afaik. The NEC has decided that unilaterally.
I hope Diane Abbott elects to stand as an independent and wipes the floor with the Labour candidate in Hackney North.
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Is Starmer Boris Johnson in disguise?
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
Newsnight, last night
Victoria Derbyshire, "Look at what you're doing to young people.. You're going to force them to do National Service.. You've tripled their tuition fees.. You froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan.. You've extended the student loan repayment terms from 30 to 40 years.. Meaning many graduates will be paying off their debts in their 60s.. You've invested only a third of what was recommended by the catch up tsar to help kids catch up after the pandemic.. Rents rose nearly 9% in the last year.. And houses at their most expensive since 1876.. Have the Tories got a problem with young people?"
Mark Harper, "No, not at all"
Our resident statistician can probably offer more detail but the way crime is measured has changed over the last 14 years so it hard to compare
https://fullfact.org/news/crime-figures-fall-half-conservatives/
This article does a decent job of explaining but overall crime has fallen since 2017... I'm not sure how much that's influenced by our awful backlog in the criminal justice system
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Newsnight, last night
Victoria Derbyshire, "Look at what you're doing to young people.. You're going to force them to do National Service.. You've tripled their tuition fees.. You froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan.. You've extended the student loan repayment terms from 30 to 40 years.. Meaning many graduates will be paying off their debts in their 60s.. You've invested only a third of what was recommended by the catch up tsar to help kids catch up after the pandemic.. Rents rose nearly 9% in the last year.. And houses at their most expensive since 1876.. Have the Tories got a problem with young people?"
Mark Harper, "No, not at all"
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
Starmer has gone out of his way, repeatedly, as Reeves did with Kay Burley last week, to emphasise that there was an independent disciplinary investigation and process and that the party leadership absolutely couldn’t interfere with that and that that process was ongoing and had to run its course.
The independent process was completed - reported and was closed - in December.
They could have wrapped all of this up in December, or at any point since then, so “there’s a GE coming up” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
The disciplinary committee did not recommend that Abbott should no longer represent the party or that the NEC should bar her from standing in the future afaik. The NEC has decided that unilaterally.
I hope Diane Abbott elects to stand as an independent and wipes the floor with the Labour candidate in Hackney North.
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Is Starmer Boris Johnson in disguise?
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I wouldn’t go that far
Do I trust Starmer though? No, not really.
If he isn’t wilfully duplicitous, then I don’t think he’s demonstrated any clear vision for the future of the country (at any level, in any form), for critically-needed socioeconomic intervention; for critically-needed investment in infrastructure; for the required paradigm shifts in industrial strategy, in the affordability of housing and education, and in climate change policy.
And where he has made his rather underwhelming pledges, his determination to meet those hasn’t proven to be particularly steadfast.
Reeves and Streeting I wouldn’t be as diplomatic about Of the two of them, the only unwaveringly resolute commitment I’ve seen has been Streeting’s absolute determination to involve the private sector in NHS business as widely as possible.
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Personally don't know either way but the Police and local Council my employer) did a pretty wide ranging but unofficial survey in Edinburgh and especially the peripheral housing estates where the majority of the population live and one of the overriding issues was thatt people had stopped reporting issues that they might have 10-15yrs previously, was a mix it seemed of lack of faith in the Police and also that even if they did report it there was nothing that could be done anyway.
I work in a tough peripheral estate right amongst all the issues and live close by and from a personal perspective I have seen an increase in both violent offences and especially petty theft and shoplifting in and around the area but as said I don't have any wider official figures
Would be very interested to see some though.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 seconds ago
Newsnight, last night
Victoria Derbyshire, "Look at what you're doing to young people.. You're going to force them to do National Service.. You've tripled their tuition fees.. You froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan.. You've extended the student loan repayment terms from 30 to 40 years.. Meaning many graduates will be paying off their debts in their 60s.. You've invested only a third of what was recommended by the catch up tsar to help kids catch up after the pandemic.. Rents rose nearly 9% in the last year.. And houses at their most expensive since 1876.. Have the Tories got a problem with young people?"
Mark Harper, "No, not at all"
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While giving hundreds of millions to the likes of Ratcliffe to help him establish his own plastic producing company.
Constantly getting bent over. It's like they're ruining the country on purpose and blaming it on sheet like immigration and welfare, and using the culture war to keep people distracted.
This is why going to University is pointless if you're gonna be paying the debt until you're in your 60s. They're therefore destroying higher education as well.
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Personally don't know either way but the Police and local Council my employer) did a pretty wide ranging but unofficial survey in Edinburgh and especially the peripheral housing estates where the majority of the population live and one of the overriding issues was thatt people had stopped reporting issues that they might have 10-15yrs previously, was a mix it seemed of lack of faith in the Police and also that even if they did report it there was nothing that could be done anyway.
I work in a tough peripheral estate right amongst all the issues and live close by and from a personal perspective I have seen an increase in both violent offences and especially petty theft and shoplifting in and around the area but as said I don't have any wider official figures
Would be very interested to see some though.
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You could find them instead of assuming crime has increased simply because you notice more crimes than you did in the past. That's a bit irresponsible, no?
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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In regard to what? Crime stats?
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Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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In regard to what? Crime stats?
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Yes
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 26 seconds ago
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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In regard to what? Crime stats?
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Yes
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Official government figures, United Nations and affiliate figures and the likes. Also, any source can be reliable or unreliable, so it also depends sometimes.
Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
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Bit tricky to do because the way crimes are recorded and reported has changed a few times since then.
From what I can gather, crime was much worse in the 80s than it is now, but don't quote me on that.
The police massage the figures, I’ve had personal experience of that
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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Based on the assumption that most of us here are between 25-40 odd say. Yes, crime has declined since then.
You think otherwise because good news isn’t popular to report and with the huge increase in media each globally, news reaches many more people quicker and easier than ever before.
🚨 NEW: YouGov's under-50 voting intention
Labour: 59%
Greens: 12%
Conservatives: 8%
Reform: 8%
Lib Dems: 6%
YouGov's over-50 voting intention
Labour: 36%
Conservatives: 30%
Reform: 15%
Lib Dems: 10%
Greens: 3%
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That has to be the worst under 50 vote I've ever seen for the Torys.
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posted 9 minutes ago
The police massage the figures, I’ve had personal experience of that
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The police arrested you again for getting a ‘massage’ in the back alleys near deansgate locks from two-tooth Tina?
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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Based on the assumption that most of us here are between 25-40 odd say. Yes, crime has declined since then.
You think otherwise because good news isn’t popular to report and with the huge increase in media each globally, news reaches many more people quicker and easier than ever before.
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Explained it better than I ever could have
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comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
Tories bleating because they claim Labour arent showing Diane Abbott the respect she deserves.
Ypy really, really, couldnt make that up.
Unbelievable. They have been crucifying her for 40 years
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Do we not want to improve the standard of politics in the UK? If we’re already finger pointing to the conservatives, then we’re already enabling the same type of cynical politicking seen in the past 10+ years.
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She shouldnt be able to stand for Labour if they dont want her to
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posted on 29/5/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
posted on 29/5/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
Starmer has gone out of his way, repeatedly, as Reeves did with Kay Burley last week, to emphasise that there was an independent disciplinary investigation and process and that the party leadership absolutely couldn’t interfere with that and that that process was ongoing and had to run its course.
The independent process was completed - reported and was closed - in December.
They could have wrapped all of this up in December, or at any point since then, so “there’s a GE coming up” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
The disciplinary committee did not recommend that Abbott should no longer represent the party or that the NEC should bar her from standing in the future afaik. The NEC has decided that unilaterally.
I hope Diane Abbott elects to stand as an independent and wipes the floor with the Labour candidate in Hackney North.
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If she stands, along with Corbyn, she will find out how people really feel
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True I suspect she won’t stand though.
I also reckon Corbyn is going to absolutely walk Islington North, regardless of the resources thrown at it by Labour.
Personally, I don’t feel any overwhelming sympathy for Abbott (on this matter, at least). She’s had a long and distinguished career, and will retire well-respected (within the party and by Labour voters, at least) and comfortable.
My sympathies continue to lie with the Labour Party membership and the CLPs, who continue to be shafted by the NEC and PLP, left, right and centre.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
posted on 29/5/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
Starmer has gone out of his way, repeatedly, as Reeves did with Kay Burley last week, to emphasise that there was an independent disciplinary investigation and process and that the party leadership absolutely couldn’t interfere with that and that that process was ongoing and had to run its course.
The independent process was completed - reported and was closed - in December.
They could have wrapped all of this up in December, or at any point since then, so “there’s a GE coming up” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
The disciplinary committee did not recommend that Abbott should no longer represent the party or that the NEC should bar her from standing in the future afaik. The NEC has decided that unilaterally.
I hope Diane Abbott elects to stand as an independent and wipes the floor with the Labour candidate in Hackney North.
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Is Starmer Boris Johnson in disguise?
posted on 29/5/24
No
posted on 29/5/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to human... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
posted on 29/5/24
Newsnight, last night
Victoria Derbyshire, "Look at what you're doing to young people.. You're going to force them to do National Service.. You've tripled their tuition fees.. You froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan.. You've extended the student loan repayment terms from 30 to 40 years.. Meaning many graduates will be paying off their debts in their 60s.. You've invested only a third of what was recommended by the catch up tsar to help kids catch up after the pandemic.. Rents rose nearly 9% in the last year.. And houses at their most expensive since 1876.. Have the Tories got a problem with young people?"
Mark Harper, "No, not at all"
posted on 29/5/24
Our resident statistician can probably offer more detail but the way crime is measured has changed over the last 14 years so it hard to compare
https://fullfact.org/news/crime-figures-fall-half-conservatives/
This article does a decent job of explaining but overall crime has fallen since 2017... I'm not sure how much that's influenced by our awful backlog in the criminal justice system
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Newsnight, last night
Victoria Derbyshire, "Look at what you're doing to young people.. You're going to force them to do National Service.. You've tripled their tuition fees.. You froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan.. You've extended the student loan repayment terms from 30 to 40 years.. Meaning many graduates will be paying off their debts in their 60s.. You've invested only a third of what was recommended by the catch up tsar to help kids catch up after the pandemic.. Rents rose nearly 9% in the last year.. And houses at their most expensive since 1876.. Have the Tories got a problem with young people?"
Mark Harper, "No, not at all"
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posted on 29/5/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
Starmer has gone out of his way, repeatedly, as Reeves did with Kay Burley last week, to emphasise that there was an independent disciplinary investigation and process and that the party leadership absolutely couldn’t interfere with that and that that process was ongoing and had to run its course.
The independent process was completed - reported and was closed - in December.
They could have wrapped all of this up in December, or at any point since then, so “there’s a GE coming up” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
The disciplinary committee did not recommend that Abbott should no longer represent the party or that the NEC should bar her from standing in the future afaik. The NEC has decided that unilaterally.
I hope Diane Abbott elects to stand as an independent and wipes the floor with the Labour candidate in Hackney North.
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Is Starmer Boris Johnson in disguise?
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I wouldn’t go that far
Do I trust Starmer though? No, not really.
If he isn’t wilfully duplicitous, then I don’t think he’s demonstrated any clear vision for the future of the country (at any level, in any form), for critically-needed socioeconomic intervention; for critically-needed investment in infrastructure; for the required paradigm shifts in industrial strategy, in the affordability of housing and education, and in climate change policy.
And where he has made his rather underwhelming pledges, his determination to meet those hasn’t proven to be particularly steadfast.
Reeves and Streeting I wouldn’t be as diplomatic about Of the two of them, the only unwaveringly resolute commitment I’ve seen has been Streeting’s absolute determination to involve the private sector in NHS business as widely as possible.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 11 seconds ago
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Personally don't know either way but the Police and local Council my employer) did a pretty wide ranging but unofficial survey in Edinburgh and especially the peripheral housing estates where the majority of the population live and one of the overriding issues was thatt people had stopped reporting issues that they might have 10-15yrs previously, was a mix it seemed of lack of faith in the Police and also that even if they did report it there was nothing that could be done anyway.
I work in a tough peripheral estate right amongst all the issues and live close by and from a personal perspective I have seen an increase in both violent offences and especially petty theft and shoplifting in and around the area but as said I don't have any wider official figures
Would be very interested to see some though.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 seconds ago
Newsnight, last night
Victoria Derbyshire, "Look at what you're doing to young people.. You're going to force them to do National Service.. You've tripled their tuition fees.. You froze the threshold at which they have to start paying back their student loan.. You've extended the student loan repayment terms from 30 to 40 years.. Meaning many graduates will be paying off their debts in their 60s.. You've invested only a third of what was recommended by the catch up tsar to help kids catch up after the pandemic.. Rents rose nearly 9% in the last year.. And houses at their most expensive since 1876.. Have the Tories got a problem with young people?"
Mark Harper, "No, not at all"
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While giving hundreds of millions to the likes of Ratcliffe to help him establish his own plastic producing company.
Constantly getting bent over. It's like they're ruining the country on purpose and blaming it on sheet like immigration and welfare, and using the culture war to keep people distracted.
This is why going to University is pointless if you're gonna be paying the debt until you're in your 60s. They're therefore destroying higher education as well.
posted on 29/5/24
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Personally don't know either way but the Police and local Council my employer) did a pretty wide ranging but unofficial survey in Edinburgh and especially the peripheral housing estates where the majority of the population live and one of the overriding issues was thatt people had stopped reporting issues that they might have 10-15yrs previously, was a mix it seemed of lack of faith in the Police and also that even if they did report it there was nothing that could be done anyway.
I work in a tough peripheral estate right amongst all the issues and live close by and from a personal perspective I have seen an increase in both violent offences and especially petty theft and shoplifting in and around the area but as said I don't have any wider official figures
Would be very interested to see some though.
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You could find them instead of assuming crime has increased simply because you notice more crimes than you did in the past. That's a bit irresponsible, no?
posted on 29/5/24
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
posted on 29/5/24
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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In regard to what? Crime stats?
posted on 29/5/24
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Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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In regard to what? Crime stats?
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Yes
posted on 29/5/24
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Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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In regard to what? Crime stats?
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Yes
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Official government figures, United Nations and affiliate figures and the likes. Also, any source can be reliable or unreliable, so it also depends sometimes.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
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Bit tricky to do because the way crimes are recorded and reported has changed a few times since then.
From what I can gather, crime was much worse in the 80s than it is now, but don't quote me on that.
posted on 29/5/24
The police massage the figures, I’ve had personal experience of that
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
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Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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Based on the assumption that most of us here are between 25-40 odd say. Yes, crime has declined since then.
You think otherwise because good news isn’t popular to report and with the huge increase in media each globally, news reaches many more people quicker and easier than ever before.
posted on 29/5/24
🚨 NEW: YouGov's under-50 voting intention
Labour: 59%
Greens: 12%
Conservatives: 8%
Reform: 8%
Lib Dems: 6%
YouGov's over-50 voting intention
Labour: 36%
Conservatives: 30%
Reform: 15%
Lib Dems: 10%
Greens: 3%
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That has to be the worst under 50 vote I've ever seen for the Torys.
posted on 29/5/24
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The police massage the figures, I’ve had personal experience of that
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The police arrested you again for getting a ‘massage’ in the back alleys near deansgate locks from two-tooth Tina?
posted on 29/5/24
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Also, crime has not increased.
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It has, fewer report crime these days unless it’s to make an insurance claim
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That doesn't prove that crime has increased. Can you even prove that? Leave alone the assertion that crime has increased?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you honestly think the country is a safer place and criminality has decreased in the last 14 years?
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Oh, you have an arbitrary point in history to compare with? I didn't know that. Did you mean that crime has increased since Tories came in?
Tbh, I have no idea but I'm sure the stats and figures are available somewhere. When it comes to these things I like to stick to cold hard facts, which sometimes I discover do not agree with what I think.
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Ok, use the year you wee born as a starting point.
Btw, who's ‘cold hard facts’ do you believe?
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Based on the assumption that most of us here are between 25-40 odd say. Yes, crime has declined since then.
You think otherwise because good news isn’t popular to report and with the huge increase in media each globally, news reaches many more people quicker and easier than ever before.
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Explained it better than I ever could have
posted on 29/5/24
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comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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Tories bleating because they claim Labour arent showing Diane Abbott the respect she deserves.
Ypy really, really, couldnt make that up.
Unbelievable. They have been crucifying her for 40 years
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Do we not want to improve the standard of politics in the UK? If we’re already finger pointing to the conservatives, then we’re already enabling the same type of cynical politicking seen in the past 10+ years.
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She shouldnt be able to stand for Labour if they dont want her to
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