comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
They slashed police numbers, strategic error.
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Did they? Interesting. Got proof of that?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47225797

Its not even an argument.
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So what you mean is that they cut funding and the police reduced numbers and have since increased them back to previous levels.
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I wrote what I meant, slashing numbers was a strategic error.

I'll give them credit, once they realized their austerity driven blunder they freely admited it was an ideological error, they made their apology, ate their humble pie and asked the electorate to forgiv...
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Why was slashing the numbers a strategic error Hector? Crime went DOWN when the number of policies went down
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Where is your local, MANNED, police station?
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If you have a point to make, let alone an answer to my question, then please make it without answering a question with a question.
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Strategic error, less police officers and next to no police stations.

Based on the available information, between 2010 and 2020: 164 magistrates' courts closed, out of 320 (51%) 151 constituencies contained a magistrates' court which closed, with 13 constituencies containing 2 courts which closed.

We must be less criminal.

Oh no wait...
https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/contact-or-visit-us/press-office/press-releases/record-numbers-waiting-years-for-trial

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
Wonder why crime stats have been going down.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102428/court-waiting-times-in-england-and-wales/

As of the first quarter of 2023, the mean average for a serious criminal offence to reach a conclusion in the crown courts of England and Wales was 676 days, while the median average was 398 days. Court delays were at their highest in the third quarter of 2021, and while still high, have gradually improved since then

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Genuinely worse than a 3rd world country.

comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
They slashed police numbers, strategic error.
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Did they? Interesting. Got proof of that?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47225797

Its not even an argument.
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So what you mean is that they cut funding and the police reduced numbers and have since increased them back to previous levels.
...........
I wrote what I meant, slashing numbers was a strategic error.

I'll give them credit, once they realized their austerity driven blunder they freely admited it was an ideological error, they made their apology, ate their humble pie and asked the electorate to forgiv...
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Why was slashing the numbers a strategic error Hector? Crime went DOWN when the number of policies went down
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Where is your local, MANNED, police station?
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If you have a point to make, let alone an answer to my question, then please make it without answering a question with a question.
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Strategic error, less police officers and next to no police stations.
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*Strategic geniusness

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Based on the available information, between 2010 and 2020: 164 magistrates' courts closed, out of 320 (51%) 151 constituencies contained a magistrates' court which closed, with 13 constituencies containing 2 courts which closed.
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People are waiting longer for justice, and having to travel further. This makes victims disinclined to follow their case through. Criminals are less likely to.show up to court if its mikes away. Complex cases, such as sexualcrimes, are also being mishandled by inexperienced police officers juggling many other cases.

But its all gravy because some stats say so.

Miles*

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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posted about an hour ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
They slashed police numbers, strategic error.
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Did they? Interesting. Got proof of that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47225797

Its not even an argument.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what you mean is that they cut funding and the police reduced numbers and have since increased them back to previous levels.
...........
I wrote what I meant, slashing numbers was a strategic error.

I'll give them credit, once they realized their austerity driven blunder they freely admited it was an ideological error, they made their apology, ate their humble pie and asked the electorate to forgiv...
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Why was slashing the numbers a strategic error Hector? Crime went DOWN when the number of policies went down
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Where is your local, MANNED, police station?
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If you have a point to make, let alone an answer to my question, then please make it without answering a question with a question.
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Strategic error, less police officers and next to no police stations.
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20,000 less officers and crime went down.

20,000 more officers and crimes went up.


There are again170,000 police officers now but none of them are on the streets. They’re a fire brigade but in blue.

Less officers would mean less patrolling but we reduced police officer numbers by less than 12%, patrolling is far less than 12% less. It’s virtually non-existent.

Hopefully this is just a London thing and towns & cities outside of London still have more of a visible police presence, but I doubt it.

To answer your previous question I have a police station within a mile from my humble abode.

20,000 less officers and crime went down.

20,000 more officers and crimes went up.
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Crime detection varies.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Based on the available information, between 2010 and 2020: 164 magistrates' courts closed, out of 320 (51%) 151 constituencies contained a magistrates' court which closed, with 13 constituencies containing 2 courts which closed.
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People are waiting longer for justice, and having to travel further. This makes victims disinclined to follow their case through. Criminals are less likely to.show up to court if its mikes away. Complex cases, such as sexualcrimes, are also being mishandled by inexperienced police officers juggling many other cases.

But its all gravy because some stats say so.
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My old man was a magistrate until 2021, he says it’s horrendous because there’s simply not the staff or time to get through the back log (Covid hasn’t helped there).

You’ll never guess what the Tories did with all the court buildings they sold. You’ll be shocked to hear that they sold them to the private sector. It raised £223m, a similar amount to what they fraudulently awarded Michele Mones PPE Company (for clothing that didn’t work).

Did they reduce the number of police officers because of a declining population?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
Did they reduce the number of police officers because of a declining population?
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Are you alright? What declining population? Did our population reduce from 2010-2018?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Did they reduce the number of police officers because of a declining population?
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No, to create pandemonium and panic in the streets.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
Did they reduce the number of police officers because of a declining population?
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Are you alright? What declining population? Did our population reduce from 2010-2018?
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I doubt it, I'm just looking for reasons behind cutting the number of police officers.

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
20,000 less officers and crime went down.

20,000 more officers and crimes went up.
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Crime detection varies.
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My point is that the predictable, banal and heavily repeated comment is ‘ high crime is due to Tory austerity, they reduced the number of policies officers’ blah blah blah

When in reality, where I reside, it’s not the number of police officers that matters; it what those officers are doing that matters. Filling out paperwork endlessly in an office is not what I would call good preventative law enforcement. So whether it’s 150,000 or 173,000 officers, if they’re all doing the wrong thing it won’t really matter.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
Did they reduce the number of police officers because of a declining population?
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Are you alright? What declining population? Did our population reduce from 2010-2018?
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I doubt it, I'm just looking for reasons behind cutting the number of police officers.
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To save money

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Did they reduce the number of police officers because of a declining population?
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No, to create pandemonium and panic in the streets.
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You know what? This wouldn’t surprise me. History teaches us that a nation that is fighting each other, won’t be focusing on what matters.

As I thought.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
20,000 less officers and crime went down.

20,000 more officers and crimes went up.
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Crime detection varies.
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My point is that the predictable, banal and heavily repeated comment is ‘ high crime is due to Tory austerity, they reduced the number of policies officers’ blah blah blah

When in reality, where I reside, it’s not the number of police officers that matters; it what those officers are doing that matters. Filling out paperwork endlessly in an office is not what I would call good preventative law enforcement. So whether it’s 150,000 or 173,000 officers, if they’re all doing the wrong thing it won’t really matter.
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This explains why they also cut PSCO's and civilian staff based in stations filling out paperwork, doing searches and other admin.

My point is that the predictable, banal and heavily repeated comment is ‘ high crime is due to Tory austerity, they reduced the number of policies officers’ blah blah blah
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Surely crime is going to rise in periods of austerity if people can't afford to eat or pay their bills.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
My point is that the predictable, banal and heavily repeated comment is ‘ high crime is due to Tory austerity, they reduced the number of policies officers’ blah blah blah
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Surely crime is going to rise in periods of austerity if people can't afford to eat or pay their bills.
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But it didn’t…that’s what you’re missing. Crime went down during those years. It only started going back up to 2003 levels from 2018.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
My point is that the predictable, banal and heavily repeated comment is ‘ high crime is due to Tory austerity, they reduced the number of policies officers’ blah blah blah
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Surely crime is going to rise in periods of austerity if people can't afford to eat or pay their bills.
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But it didn’t…that’s what you’re missing. Crime went down during those years. It only started going back up to 2003 levels from 2018.
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But yes generally speaking long periods of austerity, increases poverty will turn more people to crime eventually.

The police shouldnt have to waste precious time form filling, they should be able to pick folk up willy-nilly without any pesky paper trail proving what they did was legal.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
The police shouldnt have to waste precious time form filling, they should be able to pick folk up willy-nilly without any pesky paper trail proving what they did was legal.
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This kind of comment pretty much sums up the apathy towards proper law enforcement. It wreaks of someone who hasn’t ever directly encountered the serious crimes that are taking place on a daily basis in London.

Imagine trying to mock the idea of wanting more police on the streets in order to prevent more crime….

Just how backwards can you get?