Climate change doing its thing, it’s winter here in Sydney and today it was 31 degrees. Hottest day in the history of recorded temps in NSW in August 😳
Yet you mugs still don’t get behind Trump who will stop the genocide
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"No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes"
Settlers can stay in their illegal homes, that'll work right...
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Harris absolutely bombed in her first scripted interview It was on CNN too so couldn't have been a softer interview.
That is why they are keeping her behind closed doors.
Someone mentioned on here that she would destroy Trump in a debate
I take it you didn't see her debating with other dems while trying to get the nomination last time
US could be heading for disaster if Trump gets in again.
This will go down to the wire!
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Can't say getting behind a sexoffender is something I'd be keen to do in any context thanks.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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Ah yes alcohol, the social drug that doesn't get misused, abused or cost the tax payer more NET than it contributes to the exchequer
https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/27-4-billion-cost-of-alcohol-harm-in-england-every-year/#:~:text=Alcohol%20harm%20costs%20England%20%C2%A3,Studies%20(IAS)%20has%20found.
Not to mention the associated costs to policing the nighttime economy (how many police are deployed to keep rowdy smokers in line?), the effects of addiction on families, those affected by drink drivers etc etc.
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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Ah yes alcohol, the social drug that doesn't get misused, abused or cost the tax payer more NET than it contributes to the exchequer
https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/27-4-billion-cost-of-alcohol-harm-in-england-every-year/#:~:text=Alcohol%20harm%20costs%20England%20%C2%A3,Studies%20(IAS)%20has%20found.
Not to mention the associated costs to policing the nighttime economy (how many police are deployed to keep rowdy smokers in line?), the effects of addiction on families, those affected by drink drivers etc etc.
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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It’s a fair point.
Smokers popularized being outside pubs now the intolerant see how much fun being outside is and want it for themselves on their terms, f**k off, find your own thing dullards.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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Ah yes alcohol, the social drug that doesn't get misused, abused or cost the tax payer more NET than it contributes to the exchequer
https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/27-4-billion-cost-of-alcohol-harm-in-england-every-year/#:~:text=Alcohol%20harm%20costs%20England%20%C2%A3,Studies%20(IAS)%20has%20found.
Not to mention the associated costs to policing the nighttime economy (how many police are deployed to keep rowdy smokers in line?), the effects of addiction on families, those affected by drink drivers etc etc.
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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Not getting what's funny there Pranks.
Robb Raygun (U22716)
Please remove the casual racist reference to "Raygun" from your username and stop downplaying the level of racism in Australia.
Absolutely disgraceful that you've filtered someone for calling you out for not understanding the scale of the problem in your own Country.
I'll probably just quit smoking
Stupid Keith
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Robb Raygun (U22716)
Please remove the casual racist reference to "Raygun" from your username and stop downplaying the level of racism in Australia.
Absolutely disgraceful that you've filtered someone for calling you out for not understanding the scale of the problem in your own Country.
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Absolute fraud of a poster.
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I'll probably just quit smoking
Stupid Keith
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Probably the only good thing the Torys proposed in 14 years was the legal age for buying ciggies level rising thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/smoking-in-the-house-of-commons-mps-1919
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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LOL. Well yes, many people do. Always has been a strong, anti-alcohol lobby.
But this conversation is about banning smoking, in beer gardens not banning drinking in beer gardens.
Although... its is sad to hear pub landlords bleating about the consequence of this proposal that could drive their core customers away, who are those (men usually) who regularly use their pub every day to have 4 or 5 or more pints every session just because they can smoke outside every 20 mins, who actually keep their businesses going and open.
I'm one of those men 🙋♂️
Honestly, was this ever an issue before these proposals?
Alcohol is the devil’s drink
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I'm one of those men 🙋♂️
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Used to be me, can't afford to do both now.
Always has been a strong, anti-alcohol lobby.
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There really hasn’t.
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Climate change doing its thing, it’s winter here in Sydney and today it was 31 degrees. Hottest day in the history of recorded temps in NSW in August 😳
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Yet you mugs still don’t get behind Trump who will stop the genocide
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"No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes"
Settlers can stay in their illegal homes, that'll work right...
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posted on 30/8/24
Harris absolutely bombed in her first scripted interview It was on CNN too so couldn't have been a softer interview.
That is why they are keeping her behind closed doors.
Someone mentioned on here that she would destroy Trump in a debate
I take it you didn't see her debating with other dems while trying to get the nomination last time
US could be heading for disaster if Trump gets in again.
This will go down to the wire!
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Can't say getting behind a sexoffender is something I'd be keen to do in any context thanks.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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Ah yes alcohol, the social drug that doesn't get misused, abused or cost the tax payer more NET than it contributes to the exchequer
https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/27-4-billion-cost-of-alcohol-harm-in-england-every-year/#:~:text=Alcohol%20harm%20costs%20England%20%C2%A3,Studies%20(IAS)%20has%20found.
Not to mention the associated costs to policing the nighttime economy (how many police are deployed to keep rowdy smokers in line?), the effects of addiction on families, those affected by drink drivers etc etc.
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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Ah yes alcohol, the social drug that doesn't get misused, abused or cost the tax payer more NET than it contributes to the exchequer
https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/27-4-billion-cost-of-alcohol-harm-in-england-every-year/#:~:text=Alcohol%20harm%20costs%20England%20%C2%A3,Studies%20(IAS)%20has%20found.
Not to mention the associated costs to policing the nighttime economy (how many police are deployed to keep rowdy smokers in line?), the effects of addiction on families, those affected by drink drivers etc etc.
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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It’s a fair point.
posted on 30/8/24
Smokers popularized being outside pubs now the intolerant see how much fun being outside is and want it for themselves on their terms, f**k off, find your own thing dullards.
posted on 30/8/24
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"What right do smokers as a minority group have to pollute public space for non smokers might be a more appropriate question."
You mean outdoor spaces built to accommodate smokers following the smoking ban?
A single smoker contributes more in tax revenue then yourself given the cost of a packet of ciggies/tobacco is mostly tax. Tax revenue from smoking, just under £10bn pa, cost to the NHS pa, £2.6bn.
Are non smokers going to make up the £7.4bn pa shortfall?
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No. If there are specific areas for smokers then that's fine by me.
No idea why again you want to mention my tax revenue compared to smokers though. There is no comparison, but neither is there a comparison with our relative health costs either.
No idea if one balances out the other to be honest but over lifetimes I suspect the health costs are more than the revenue gained.
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You.mean specific areas created for smokers like the pub beer gardens that sprung up following the ban.
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If there are specific areas in beer gardens away from the general are for customers then fine. I believe this potential move is to stop open beer gardens and the like being used by smokers.
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They were created to accommodate smokers. Now non smokers want to co-opt that space for themselves. A bit selfish no?
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If that is what is being mooted, then yes it is. Again, I've no problem with bespoke areas for smokers.
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Bespoke areas such as beer gardens.
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No. That's not what I said. I've made it perfectly clear what I mean but if you wish to carry on with the same mantra, you already have my response.
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Why were beer gardens popularised? To accommodate smokers. Non smokers have an entire pub to indulge in their addictive habit, why should they encroach on the already limited area designated specifically for smokers and their equally addictive habit?
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Beer gardens were popularised to allow social drinkers and their families to be outdoors.
The beer "gardens" I believe you are speaking of are usually grotty back yards of a pub with a couple of barrels and maybe a gnarled old tree that has been previously seen as a nuisance
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IYes beer agardens are for sociable drinkers to enjoy a drink outside when its nice. They are not created for addicts who are so hooked on tobacco that they are prepared to huddle together in groups and shiver in the cold/rain/dark to satisfy their addiction every 20 minutes. And make a stinking mess around them.
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Ah yes alcohol, the social drug that doesn't get misused, abused or cost the tax payer more NET than it contributes to the exchequer
https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/27-4-billion-cost-of-alcohol-harm-in-england-every-year/#:~:text=Alcohol%20harm%20costs%20England%20%C2%A3,Studies%20(IAS)%20has%20found.
Not to mention the associated costs to policing the nighttime economy (how many police are deployed to keep rowdy smokers in line?), the effects of addiction on families, those affected by drink drivers etc etc.
If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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Not getting what's funny there Pranks.
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Robb Raygun (U22716)
Please remove the casual racist reference to "Raygun" from your username and stop downplaying the level of racism in Australia.
Absolutely disgraceful that you've filtered someone for calling you out for not understanding the scale of the problem in your own Country.
posted on 30/8/24
I'll probably just quit smoking
Stupid Keith
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Robb Raygun (U22716)
Please remove the casual racist reference to "Raygun" from your username and stop downplaying the level of racism in Australia.
Absolutely disgraceful that you've filtered someone for calling you out for not understanding the scale of the problem in your own Country.
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Absolute fraud of a poster.
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I'll probably just quit smoking
Stupid Keith
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Probably the only good thing the Torys proposed in 14 years was the legal age for buying ciggies level rising thing.
posted on 30/8/24
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/smoking-in-the-house-of-commons-mps-1919
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If people were really concerned about health, wellbeing and addiction they should be calling for a ban on alcohol before a ban on smoking.
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LOL. Well yes, many people do. Always has been a strong, anti-alcohol lobby.
But this conversation is about banning smoking, in beer gardens not banning drinking in beer gardens.
Although... its is sad to hear pub landlords bleating about the consequence of this proposal that could drive their core customers away, who are those (men usually) who regularly use their pub every day to have 4 or 5 or more pints every session just because they can smoke outside every 20 mins, who actually keep their businesses going and open.
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I'm one of those men 🙋♂️
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Honestly, was this ever an issue before these proposals?
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Alcohol is the devil’s drink
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
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I'm one of those men 🙋♂️
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Used to be me, can't afford to do both now.
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Always has been a strong, anti-alcohol lobby.
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There really hasn’t.
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