comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by der kloppites (U13373)
posted 17 minutes ago
let the spurs fans be happy I say
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This.

Why shouldnt a set of supporters be happy their club is doing well.

People take to much notice of what other supporters have to say on this site, as if everyone is going to start saying how brilliant another team is doing when a quick put down is so much easier.
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Iv been nothing but complimentary of Spurs and the job Poch is doing

comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks (U6283)
posted 33 minutes ago
win something ffs, I have never witnessed a set of fans as arrogant as u cants, god help us if you do actually win something
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i don't think spurs fans are arrogant any longer. we were unnecessarily arrogant for a while during the redknapp era, and maybe have mellowed a bit now.

i would describe the current spurs supporter base as quietly optimistic, proud of the improvements that our team is making, but mindful that we are spurs, and disaster in some unprecedented form is almost certainly not too far around the corner.

we also haven't won anything.
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I'm smug as fack

In all seriousness, great comments from King Ledley, Ace and the rest. I'm enjoying while it lasts, long may it continue.

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I'd suggest googling "straw man" it is what you are concocting.
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I suggest just not replying if you refuse to answer the question that we all know the answer to.
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No you dense twaaaat what you posted was:

"20/30 years from now then if this current batch wins nothing they will be forgotten. History only remembers the winners not the almost men"

Which I disagreed with and said that winning trophies isn't everything. Which it isn't.


Then you started saying random sheit about supporting a team with regards to winning; and then making up random scenarios with regards to winning stuff and all that.

Of course I want us to win games, and win trophies. This is not what I had ever discussed; just some argument that you concocted in your nonce head (hence I said google straw man). Honestly how some people can even dress for work in the morning I will never know.

comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks (U6283)
posted 33 minutes ago

i don't think spurs fans are arrogant any longer. we were unnecessarily arrogant for a while during the redknapp era, and maybe have mellowed a bit now.

i would describe the current spurs supporter base as quietly optimistic, proud of the improvements that our team is making, but mindful that we are spurs, and disaster in some unprecedented form is almost certainly not too far around the corner.

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This .... I think the mentality of the fans could change the clubs progression. I think due to previous years (and the competition in England) is one of the reasons why you havent progressed as much as you could have. Its something that is common in England now. That getting into the top 4 is good enough. Take Man Utd for example, 2nd place in the league can get the manager the sack possibly because they are a team that sets certain standards ie. we must WIN, anything else is failure. Perhaps if Spurs start winning silverware its something that can be bred into the club.

the club has been moving in the right direction for some time now:
1) a new stadium;
2) solid management in place;
3) making good unemotional decisions -selling Walker, with good replacemnt in place, buying a group of solid players (Dier/Wanyama/Sanchez/ LLoris to provide the base for the future);
4) now need to add the cream-a couple of hard working flair players

all in all -some every solid decisions allied to good coaching

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I'd suggest googling "straw man" it is what you are concocting.
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I suggest just not replying if you refuse to answer the question that we all know the answer to.
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No you dense twaaaat what you posted was:

"20/30 years from now then if this current batch wins nothing they will be forgotten. History only remembers the winners not the almost men"

Which I disagreed with and said that winning trophies isn't everything. Which it isn't.


Then you started saying random sheit about supporting a team with regards to winning; and then making up random scenarios with regards to winning stuff and all that.

Of course I want us to win games, and win trophies. This is not what I had ever discussed; just some argument that you concocted in your nonce head (hence I said google straw man). Honestly how some people can even dress for work in the morning I will never know.
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That wasnt the question I asked look back... That there was a statement, I asked 2 questions of you afterwards that you have refused to answer.

You said it is not all about winning then I gave you two sceanrios in forms of question that would determine if you truly did believe that, you ignored these as you know they would prove you wrong

I personally don't care what other fans say especially on forums. My circle of mates who support a wide variety of clubs are very complimentary about us over the last few years and as someone has said, there isn't too many cups to go for during the season. I would like to think we will get a major trophy if not more within the next few years and that unlike some sides, it wont be followed by mid table obscurity and would haves, could haves and should haves.

comment by Whitehotlanespur (U9832)
posted 24 seconds ago
the club has been moving in the right direction for some time now:
1) a new stadium;
2) solid management in place;
3) making good unemotional decisions -selling Walker, with good replacemnt in place, buying a group of solid players (Dier/Wanyama/Sanchez/ LLoris to provide the base for the future);
4) now need to add the cream-a couple of hard working flair players

all in all -some every solid decisions allied to good coaching

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Agree with all points here to be fair, however you cannot just stop here, you must again up your expectations to ensure that you can kick on to that next level.

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 1 minute ago
20/30 years from now then if this current batch wins nothing they will be forgotten. History only remembers the winners not the almost men
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Who cares? If you honestly look back and wet yourself over Rangers winning trophies 20 years ago then you live in the past and have a low quality of life. Its all about enjoyment considering we have little-no impact on the outcome. Spurs fans are enjoying themselves with a successful and impressive team for a change (and personally I am enjoying the bitterness that comes from opposing fans as a result as well)
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who mentioned rangers? defensive much?!
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I was making it an easy comparison for your small brain to comprehend. Clearly I was asking too much.
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The game is all about winning, winning winning, Managers lose their jobs for not winning enough, clubs grow by winning. Winning is the most important thing in football. full stop. Players play the game to win (well most do!). If it comes down to the last game of the season and Spurs need to win it to claim the league what would you prefer they play amazing and lose or play rotten and win ....... Case closed
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Straw-man argument made... and closed.

Football is about whatever you want it to be. I don't go through your life and tell you what you should and shouldn't be happy about. Much like you shouldn't discuss what equates happiness when it comes to how an individual measures success for their team.
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Thats what you take from the game, Iv never seen a single fan in my lifetime be happy at their team losing. Maybe their performance yes but never seen anyone say "ahh good we lost that match". You know that im correct and are now trying to weasel your way out it.

Again your just being uber defensive. I would quite like to see Spurs win the league (defo prefer them over City) I like Poch also, think he is doing a fantastic job. Im just stating the facts is all.
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But fans continue to pay to go to gmaes even for teams who win nothing, Newcastle get 50k in St James Pk and haven't won a cup since the 50's.

Of course every fan wants their team to win every game, however this is obviously not possible and there are only a ahandful of trophies that can be won, to suggest it's only about winning is so obvioulsy not the case to literally millions of fans worldwide

comment by SB&S (U17757)
posted 15 seconds ago
I personally don't care what other fans say especially on forums. My circle of mates who support a wide variety of clubs are very complimentary about us over the last few years and as someone has said, there isn't too many cups to go for during the season. I would like to think we will get a major trophy if not more within the next few years and that unlike some sides, it wont be followed by mid table obscurity and would haves, could haves and should haves.
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I have been very complimentary of the job been done. I like Spurs but ultimately it will mean nothing if you dont push on and take advantage of the foundations you have now put down.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 1 minute ago
20/30 years from now then if this current batch wins nothing they will be forgotten. History only remembers the winners not the almost men
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Who cares? If you honestly look back and wet yourself over Rangers winning trophies 20 years ago then you live in the past and have a low quality of life. Its all about enjoyment considering we have little-no impact on the outcome. Spurs fans are enjoying themselves with a successful and impressive team for a change (and personally I am enjoying the bitterness that comes from opposing fans as a result as well)
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who mentioned rangers? defensive much?!
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I was making it an easy comparison for your small brain to comprehend. Clearly I was asking too much.
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The game is all about winning, winning winning, Managers lose their jobs for not winning enough, clubs grow by winning. Winning is the most important thing in football. full stop. Players play the game to win (well most do!). If it comes down to the last game of the season and Spurs need to win it to claim the league what would you prefer they play amazing and lose or play rotten and win ....... Case closed
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Straw-man argument made... and closed.

Football is about whatever you want it to be. I don't go through your life and tell you what you should and shouldn't be happy about. Much like you shouldn't discuss what equates happiness when it comes to how an individual measures success for their team.
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Thats what you take from the game, Iv never seen a single fan in my lifetime be happy at their team losing. Maybe their performance yes but never seen anyone say "ahh good we lost that match". You know that im correct and are now trying to weasel your way out it.

Again your just being uber defensive. I would quite like to see Spurs win the league (defo prefer them over City) I like Poch also, think he is doing a fantastic job. Im just stating the facts is all.
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But fans continue to pay to go to gmaes even for teams who win nothing, Newcastle get 50k in St James Pk and haven't won a cup since the 50's.

Of course every fan wants their team to win every game, however this is obviously not possible and there are only a ahandful of trophies that can be won, to suggest it's only about winning is so obvioulsy not the case to literally millions of fans worldwide
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Have you been to Newcastle??!!! what the hell else are the people their gonna do !!!

agreed Del boy-that's why i said buy a couple of flair players

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 29 minutes ago
I will try a different question then Edin since you are weltching over the last one. If in this current (and possible future) era Spurs didnt win a major trophy would you be dissapointed or would you be content that they merely "competed"
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He won't stop being a fan though win or lose.

To suggest it's all about winning removes the whole experience of going to a game, or even watching one.

comment by Whitehotlanespur (U9832)
posted 1 minute ago
agreed Del boy-that's why i said buy a couple of flair players
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The Spurs fans need to also develop the mentality of 2nd place or top four is good enough. Yes it may be an improvement but ultimately the goal is to win. The second you start accepting 2nd place, or almost guys is when you become that.

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 1 minute ago
20/30 years from now then if this current batch wins nothing they will be forgotten. History only remembers the winners not the almost men
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Who cares? If you honestly look back and wet yourself over Rangers winning trophies 20 years ago then you live in the past and have a low quality of life. Its all about enjoyment considering we have little-no impact on the outcome. Spurs fans are enjoying themselves with a successful and impressive team for a change (and personally I am enjoying the bitterness that comes from opposing fans as a result as well)
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who mentioned rangers? defensive much?!
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I was making it an easy comparison for your small brain to comprehend. Clearly I was asking too much.
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The game is all about winning, winning winning, Managers lose their jobs for not winning enough, clubs grow by winning. Winning is the most important thing in football. full stop. Players play the game to win (well most do!). If it comes down to the last game of the season and Spurs need to win it to claim the league what would you prefer they play amazing and lose or play rotten and win ....... Case closed
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Straw-man argument made... and closed.

Football is about whatever you want it to be. I don't go through your life and tell you what you should and shouldn't be happy about. Much like you shouldn't discuss what equates happiness when it comes to how an individual measures success for their team.
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Thats what you take from the game, Iv never seen a single fan in my lifetime be happy at their team losing. Maybe their performance yes but never seen anyone say "ahh good we lost that match". You know that im correct and are now trying to weasel your way out it.

Again your just being uber defensive. I would quite like to see Spurs win the league (defo prefer them over City) I like Poch also, think he is doing a fantastic job. Im just stating the facts is all.
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But fans continue to pay to go to gmaes even for teams who win nothing, Newcastle get 50k in St James Pk and haven't won a cup since the 50's.

Of course every fan wants their team to win every game, however this is obviously not possible and there are only a ahandful of trophies that can be won, to suggest it's only about winning is so obvioulsy not the case to literally millions of fans worldwide
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Have you been to Newcastle??!!! what the hell else are the people their gonna do !!!
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Debunks your "it's all about winning" no?

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Whitehotlanespur (U9832)
posted 1 minute ago
agreed Del boy-that's why i said buy a couple of flair players
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The Spurs fans need to also develop the mentality of 2nd place or top four is good enough. Yes it may be an improvement but ultimately the goal is to win. The second you start accepting 2nd place, or almost guys is when you become that.
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Nonsense in th ewider football world, what you're saying can be applied to arguably 6 clubs in the Premier League, you're basically dismissing all other clubs who aren't in a positon to say top 4 or bust or whatever.

Problem is you're looking at this from the eyes of a united fan who is used to winning stuff, take a step back and realize football is much much bigger than a few clubs at the top of their league.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 second ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 1 minute ago
20/30 years from now then if this current batch wins nothing they will be forgotten. History only remembers the winners not the almost men
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Who cares? If you honestly look back and wet yourself over Rangers winning trophies 20 years ago then you live in the past and have a low quality of life. Its all about enjoyment considering we have little-no impact on the outcome. Spurs fans are enjoying themselves with a successful and impressive team for a change (and personally I am enjoying the bitterness that comes from opposing fans as a result as well)
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who mentioned rangers? defensive much?!
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I was making it an easy comparison for your small brain to comprehend. Clearly I was asking too much.
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The game is all about winning, winning winning, Managers lose their jobs for not winning enough, clubs grow by winning. Winning is the most important thing in football. full stop. Players play the game to win (well most do!). If it comes down to the last game of the season and Spurs need to win it to claim the league what would you prefer they play amazing and lose or play rotten and win ....... Case closed
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Straw-man argument made... and closed.

Football is about whatever you want it to be. I don't go through your life and tell you what you should and shouldn't be happy about. Much like you shouldn't discuss what equates happiness when it comes to how an individual measures success for their team.
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Thats what you take from the game, Iv never seen a single fan in my lifetime be happy at their team losing. Maybe their performance yes but never seen anyone say "ahh good we lost that match". You know that im correct and are now trying to weasel your way out it.

Again your just being uber defensive. I would quite like to see Spurs win the league (defo prefer them over City) I like Poch also, think he is doing a fantastic job. Im just stating the facts is all.
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But fans continue to pay to go to gmaes even for teams who win nothing, Newcastle get 50k in St James Pk and haven't won a cup since the 50's.

Of course every fan wants their team to win every game, however this is obviously not possible and there are only a ahandful of trophies that can be won, to suggest it's only about winning is so obvioulsy not the case to literally millions of fans worldwide
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Have you been to Newcastle??!!! what the hell else are the people their gonna do !!!
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Debunks your "it's all about winning" no?
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Perhaps yes you may have a point there however if the club and fans dont have win mentality then they will never be winners. The fans dont get sacked however for not winning of being succesful. It depends I suppose on what you think of as being succesful. If just staying in the league is regarded as "success" then fair enough but dont expect anything other than also rans. If you wanna be the best then Newcastle's mentality is certainly not the correct one

Delboy, if united don't win a trophy for the next 20 years will you still follow them?

Would you follow them if they were relegated down to league 2?

Well what was the relevance of your questions then delboy?

You put in these ridiculous scenarios where the answer would always suit your question, yet didn't make a credible point anyway. Hence straw-man (I really urge you to look it up, maybe there is a TED talk to help you)

I would rather have had the Newcastle seasons than the Everton or Villa ones in the 90s. I would rather have Spurs had the season they did last year than Utd. While we all want to win it doesn't measure success. I have enjoyed watching Kane become a star more than I enjoyed any poxy league cup success.

Yet you will say some stupid question which says that 'everyone wants to win' which is so baseline and lacking in any intelligent thought.

I would rather have Spurs had the season they did last year than Utd.
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Seriously?
What a load of Sheite

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 15 seconds ago
Delboy, if united don't win a trophy for the next 20 years will you still follow them?

Would you follow them if they were relegated down to league 2?
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I dont support them so mute point ... I would say however that any year that they dont win the league is a failure in my eyes. Man Utd dont accept 2nd best as good enough, which is why they will always be htere or there abouts the majority of the time.

Perhaps yes you may have a point there however if the club and fans dont have win mentality then they will never be winners. The fans dont get sacked however for not winning of being succesful. It depends I suppose on what you think of as being succesful. If just staying in the league is regarded as "success" then fair enough but dont expect anything other than also rans. If you wanna be the best then Newcastle's mentality is certainly not the correct one



Again can only be applied to a handful of clubs in reality

And staying in the league is a huge success for some clubs, it's about the clubs context isn't it.

Sorry mate but you've tunnel vision here that in reality makes no sense.

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
I would rather have Spurs had the season they did last year than Utd.
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Seriously?
What a load of Sheite
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Why?

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 1 second ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 15 seconds ago
Delboy, if united don't win a trophy for the next 20 years will you still follow them?

Would you follow them if they were relegated down to league 2?
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I dont support them so mute point ... I would say however that any year that they dont win the league is a failure in my eyes. Man Utd dont accept 2nd best as good enough, which is why they will always be htere or there abouts the majority of the time.
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Who do you follow?

So you're saying united success is all about their mentality as a club and nothing to do with the fact that they have lots of money etc.?