If Joyce loses to Zhang again, they should make Joyce vs Dubois 2.

Do you think a prime Haye would beat Usyk?

comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 15 minutes ago
Do you think a prime Haye would beat Usyk?
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Yes.

Prime Haye loses to a prime Fury though.

comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
It’s a shame Dubois split with McGuigan, would of been a lot of help in there

I like Don Charles as a person, but he’s a garbage trainer and guy to have in your corner
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No arguments about Dubois quitting. He got hit with a hard jab and took a knee from it. It's not like it knocked him down or anything, he just took a knee and took too long to get up without any complaints when it was called off. He's not psychologically strong enough when the going gets tough.

comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you think a prime Haye would beat Usyk?
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No. Haye loses against a prime Usyk. We may arguably be seeing Usyk no longer at his prime.

Dubois was taking an utter pounding in those later rounds. I don't think there can be too many complaints about him going down tbf.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you think a prime Haye would beat Usyk?
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No. Haye loses against a prime Usyk. We may arguably be seeing Usyk no longer at his prime.
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Yeah prime Haye was great but he doesn't beat prime Usyk. Would have been a stunning fight though.

I think Usyk looked good until the borderline low blow shot but then he looked noticeably slower after that which is understandable for anyone that has male genitalia. It didn't stop him beating Dubois up in those later rounds though.

Wasn’t a low blow though.

comment by 8==Divock - LFC High Reputation Board Member (U22339)
posted 5 minutes ago
Wasn’t a low blow though.
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I believe it was low. It doesn't have to be square on his balls to be a low blow. The definition of a low blow is below the waistline which is where Dubois's glove lands. No getting away from that.

If you pause the replay at various moments before contact you can can see how low the Dubois arm goes while the shot is approaching Usyk. And if you pause where it lands it's below the waistline.

https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1695563550406696979/mediaviewer

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by 8==Divock - LFC High Reputation Board Member (U22339)
posted 5 minutes ago
Wasn’t a low blow though.
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I believe it was low. It doesn't have to be square on his balls to be a low blow. The definition of a low blow is below the waistline which is where Dubois's glove lands. No getting away from that.

If you pause the replay at various moments before contact you can can see how low the Dubois arm goes while the shot is approaching Usyk. And if you pause where it lands it's below the waistline.

https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1695563550406696979/mediaviewer


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BS. Usyk had his shorts way above his belly button, that shot hit around the belly button

If Usyk had his shorts as low as after the fight (were you could see his belly button) and Dubois had that shot then yes it would be low but it wasn’t low, if you map out where Usyk’s belly button is then the shot was right next to it

Certainly wasn’t anywhere near Usyk’s balls unless he lets it stick up to his belly button then tapes it

However even though the question is would Dubois have won e.g would Usyk have got up, we’ll never know. Usyk came back won the fight and stopped Dubois, should there be a rematch because of it? Yes, but did Usyk overall deserve to win last night? Yes but did Usyk get some luck and fortune? Yes

Bit like Fury vs Wallin, 9 times out of 10 the ref or Doctor would have stopped that fight because of Fury’s cut. Did Fury deserve to win? Yes, did the cut affect him but he was still able to carry on and win most rounds? Yes but was he lucky and fortunate for it not to be stopped in the interest of his own “safety” by the rules? Yes, and would Wallin have won? Yes

Fighters get fortunate sometimes

Certainly wasn’t anywhere near Usyk’s balls unless he lets it stick up to his belly button then tapes it
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Dubois didn't protest to the ref after the low blow happened. He stayed quiet as he was only worried about getting a point deducted. It was only after Bricktop got in his ear after the fight that he started saying it was a legal punch.

It wasn't a legal punch, at least some of Dubois glove is clearly below the waistline, therefore making it a low blow and no boxing board or any other board of control is going to say otherwise.

There will be no rematch, it wasn't a remotely close fight. Not sure Dubois even won a single round and then after Usyk got mad after the low blow he made sure Dubois ended the fight on the canvas.

One thing we did take from last night is that Dubois at only 25 will have every opportunity to win one of the world title belts in the coming years when the likes of Fury, Usyk, Wilder and AJ are retired from the sport.

Dubois was better last night than most people thought but only because people have seriously underestimated him, as I saw saying before the fight.

One thing I think we do need to see though is a Dubois vs Joyce rematch. Especially if Joyce is able to avenge his loss against Zhang next month. Even if Joyce loses to Zhang I'd still like to see that fight.

What is considered a low blow then?

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 7 minutes ago
What is considered a low blow then?
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Anything below the waistline. You'll often hear a ref tell each fighter before the fight where he doesn't want them to hit by demonstrating the exact line he doesn't want them to hit below, usually if he deems a fighter's trunks are too high on his waist.

I think some people are incorrectly assuming that a low blow has to be a direct shot right on the nads. That simply isn't the case. A low blow is any part of the glove making contact below the opponent's waistline which is clearly what happened in this fight.

Dubois actually did it again a second time after that and was lucky not to get a point deduction.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 7 minutes ago
What is considered a low blow then?
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Anything below the waistline. You'll often hear a ref tell each fighter before the fight where he doesn't want them to hit by demonstrating the exact line he doesn't want them to hit below, usually if he deems a fighter's trunks are too high on his waist.

I think some people are incorrectly assuming that a low blow has to be a direct shot right on the nads. That simply isn't the case. A low blow is any part of the glove making contact below the opponent's waistline which is clearly what happened in this fight.

Dubois actually did it again a second time after that and was lucky not to get a point deduction.
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His shorts are above his belly button.
There is no way it was a low blow.

You're entitled to your opinion, but do you watch much boxing ? That's quite normal for a boxer's shorts to cover their belly button.

Either way position of shorts isn't really what we're talking about here, we're talking about waistline, which is what boxing rules refer to.

Part of Dubois glove landed below Usyk's waistline which is an illegal punch. The referee deemed it accidental which is the only reason Dubois wasn't deducted a point.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
One thing we did take from last night is that Dubois at only 25 will have every opportunity to win one of the world title belts in the coming years when the likes of Fury, Usyk, Wilder and AJ are retired from the sport.

Dubois was better last night than most people thought but only because people have seriously underestimated him, as I saw saying before the fight.

One thing I think we do need to see though is a Dubois vs Joyce rematch. Especially if Joyce is able to avenge his loss against Zhang next month. Even if Joyce loses to Zhang I'd still like to see that fight.
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Although Dubois was more dangerous against Usyk than people thought, myself included, he left us with more doubts about him after he quit. He's not going to get very far if he wants to bail out of fights when he gets put under pressure. It's almost becoming instinctive with him now. He's taken more knees than the England football team.

but do you watch much boxing

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Probably the same amount of time I've been watching football, 30ish years.

Position of shorts absolutely matters, otherwise you're saying his waistline could be at his nipples, if his shorts were that high.

Or are you saying Usyk has a weirdly shaped body, so his waistline is where his lowest ribs are, and anything below that is low?

Either way Usyk is a far better boxer, and Dubois is a quitter, but it was definitely a legal hit from Dubois that potentially could've won him the fight which to be fair would've been hilarious because Dubois's crap in all honesty.

I disagree with there being a need for the rematch. An argument can be made for both for and against the low blow, which removes the robbery aspect. The way the fight concluded was decisive and Dubois hurt his chances of a rematch by quitting.

Position of shorts absolutely matters, otherwise you're saying his waistline could be at his nipples, if his shorts were that high.

Or are you saying Usyk has a weirdly shaped body, so his waistline is where his lowest ribs are, and anything below that is low?

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I'm not saying any of those things. You asked what a low blow is and I answered it's a shot below the waistline. The waistline isn't necessarily where your shorts start, especially with boxing shorts which are higher up. Hence why the belly button is covered, which is perfectly normal with boxers. Usyk doesn't have his shorts up unusually high which was your insinuation.

Let's all be honest here, unless you're name is Frank Warren or you're part of Dubois's team, the only fight that we need to make is Usyk vs Fury.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 4 minutes ago
I disagree with there being a need for the rematch. An argument can be made for both for and against the low blow, which removes the robbery aspect. The way the fight concluded was decisive and Dubois hurt his chances of a rematch by quitting.

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Exactly, outside of the low blow call Dubois did nothing to warrant a rematch. He barely won a single round and ended the fight dropped on the canvas then counted out. It was a conclusive win for Usyk.

The only ones who want rematch are Bricktop and Fury who want to delay or ideally permanently postpone any unification fight with Usyk.