comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Let's all be honest here, unless you're name is Frank Warren or you're part of Dubois's team, the only fight that we need to make is Usyk vs Fury.
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Yup but will only happen if Fury stops running from it. If he doesn't want to fight Usyk and keeps coming up with laughable nonsense about Usyk not being in his era then the fight will never happen. Just hope Fury is stripped of his WBC belt if he doesn't take the fight so we can finally get an undisputed heavyweight champ regardless.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Dubois didn't protest to the ref after the low blow happened. He stayed quiet as he was only worried about getting a point deducted. It was only after Bricktop got in his ear after the fight that he started saying it was a legal punch.

It wasn't a legal punch, at least some of Dubois glove is clearly below the waistline, therefore making it a low blow and no boxing board or any other board of control is going to say otherwise.

There will be no rematch, it wasn't a remotely close fight. Not sure Dubois even won a single round and then after Usyk got mad after the low blow he made sure Dubois ended the fight on the canvas.
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You keep saying it was below his waistline.

What's your definition of waistline?

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Dubois didn't protest to the ref after the low blow happened. He stayed quiet as he was only worried about getting a point deducted. It was only after Bricktop got in his ear after the fight that he started saying it was a legal punch.

It wasn't a legal punch, at least some of Dubois glove is clearly below the waistline, therefore making it a low blow and no boxing board or any other board of control is going to say otherwise.

There will be no rematch, it wasn't a remotely close fight. Not sure Dubois even won a single round and then after Usyk got mad after the low blow he made sure Dubois ended the fight on the canvas.
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You keep saying it was below his waistline.

What's your definition of waistline?
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I've said part of Dubois glove is definitely below Usyk's waist. According to the rules of boxing that's an illegal punch.

What's your definition of a wasteline? Let's see if we agree on it.

A very balanced and fair video on the matter:

https://youtu.be/6g2MHj9wD2E?si=qoBKzRilxUQ-24Bn

Carl Froch saying the shot was low and the referee did the right thing. He also explains exactly what a low blow is for those that need educating on boxing rules :

https://youtu.be/556E2pxAxCI?si=ovMwtpCodc5qVswn

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Carl Froch saying the shot was low and the referee did the right thing. He also explains exactly what a low blow is for those that need educating on boxing rules :

https://youtu.be/556E2pxAxCI?si=ovMwtpCodc5qVswn


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There's also loads of pro boxers saying it wasn't a low blow, so I'm not sure what your point is tbh

"educating" us idiots I suppose

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
"educating" us idiots I suppose
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Nope not at all, simply educating those that don't know exactly what the low blow rules in boxing are as clearly there are plenty that don't.

missed all this ....been busy.
So whats the consensus then low blow or not(or I could just read back and find out)

My opinion is that it should have stood, the navel is under the beltline therefore a shot on the belt should be legal a low blow is under the waistline which is technically the top of the hip bone so the punch looks right on the border of both. And in this I think the benefit should go to the puncher.

the probem is the rule does leave a grey area for definition.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted a day ago
Carl Froch saying the shot was low and the referee did the right thing. He also explains exactly what a low blow is for those that need educating on boxing rules :

https://youtu.be/556E2pxAxCI?si=ovMwtpCodc5qVswn


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mate cmon froch just courts controversy now to boost his youtube channel numbers now, he even admitted it !

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
missed all this ....been busy.
So whats the consensus then low blow or not(or I could just read back and find out)

My opinion is that it should have stood, the navel is under the beltline therefore a shot on the belt should be legal a low blow is under the waistline which is technically the top of the hip bone so the punch looks right on the border of both. And in this I think the benefit should go to the puncher.

the probem is the rule does leave a grey area for definition.
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I’ll admit, at the time I thought it was a legit punch, but I have been educated since then by evidence that says otherwise and by the good folk on here..
So, again not gonna be too harsh on Dubois, it was a big ask anyway, he did his best, but again, did look like he quit again, but by that time, I think he was gassed.

But yeh, Low Blow.

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
missed all this ....been busy.
So whats the consensus then low blow or not(or I could just read back and find out)

My opinion is that it should have stood, the navel is under the beltline therefore a shot on the belt should be legal a low blow is under the waistline which is technically the top of the hip bone so the punch looks right on the border of both. And in this I think the benefit should go to the puncher.

the probem is the rule does leave a grey area for definition.
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I’ll admit, at the time I thought it was a legit punch, but I have been educated since then by evidence that says otherwise and by the good folk on here..
So, again not gonna be too harsh on Dubois, it was a big ask anyway, he did his best, but again, did look like he quit again, but by that time, I think he was gassed.

But yeh, Low Blow.
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Oh he quit no doubt about it .... Dubois aint a fighter, he is in it cos his old man forced him down that route.

I haven't seen any evidence tbf, any video that Iv seen shows the navel is defo under the beltline, and therefore the beltline is fair game? To me the punch could be argued either way and if thats the case the benefit has to go to Dubios?

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted a day ago
Carl Froch saying the shot was low and the referee did the right thing. He also explains exactly what a low blow is for those that need educating on boxing rules :

https://youtu.be/556E2pxAxCI?si=ovMwtpCodc5qVswn


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mate cmon froch just courts controversy now to boost his youtube channel numbers now, he even admitted it !
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So if he gives an opinion you don't agree with then he's just courting controversy? As far as I can see Froch is just carefully explaining the rules of boxing regarding low blows and demonstrating that it was a low blow according to the rules of boxing.

True Geordie also saying exactly the same thing as Froch, explaining what the low blow rules of boxing are and that the Dubois shot is low:

https://youtu.be/OxVpahcq7Cw?si=J7_gwIW0MFcXqIgd

Rules are the rules, if anyone disagrees with the low blow rules then they should write to or email the boxing board of control with your concerns, however those rules are in place to help protect the bladder and genitals of fighters.

I'm done talking about this now. It was a low blow, the ref called it low. And any appeal by Frank Warren will definitely not be overturned by any boxing federation or board of control because it was a low blow foul shot. End of story.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted a day ago
Carl Froch saying the shot was low and the referee did the right thing. He also explains exactly what a low blow is for those that need educating on boxing rules :

https://youtu.be/556E2pxAxCI?si=ovMwtpCodc5qVswn


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mate cmon froch just courts controversy now to boost his youtube channel numbers now, he even admitted it !
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So if he gives an opinion you don't agree with then he's just courting controversy? As far as I can see Froch is just carefully explaining the rules of boxing regarding low blows and demonstrating that it was a low blow according to the rules of boxing.

True Geordie also saying exactly the same thing as Froch, explaining what the low blow rules of boxing are and that the Dubois shot is low:

https://youtu.be/OxVpahcq7Cw?si=J7_gwIW0MFcXqIgd

Rules are the rules, if anyone disagrees with the low blow rules then they should write to or email the boxing board of control with your concerns, however those rules are in place to help protect the bladder and genitals of fighters.

I'm done talking about this now. It was a low blow, the ref called it low. And any appeal by Frank Warren will definitely not be overturned by any boxing federation or board of control because it was a low blow foul shot. End of story.
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no im saying using him as an example isnt the best given that he likes to court controversy to direct traffic to his channell.

ps thanks for being the decider in all this.

true geordie

im gonna look at the actual rules .... uses a video from the anderson fight !! eh naw ...


the rule ... the actual queensberry rule the punch is illegal below the waistline ... the belt line isnt the waistline, the waistline ends (in this sense) at the top of the hip. the limit isnt actually the navel, thats used as a guage.

Ok cool I look forward to the Frank Warren appeal being successful and the fight being ruled a no contest then as I'm sure it must if they deem it a legal punch. Get back to me when that happens

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 7 seconds ago
Ok cool I look forward to the Frank Warren appeal being successful and the fight being ruled a no contest then as I'm sure it must if they deem it a legal punch. Get back to me when that happens

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It wont be successful no chance there is zero grounds for him to win it. nothing proves Usyk could get up from the punch therefore nothing to actually appeal. thats not how the appeal system works

*couldnt get up from the punch

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 7 seconds ago
Ok cool I look forward to the Frank Warren appeal being successful and the fight being ruled a no contest then as I'm sure it must if they deem it a legal punch. Get back to me when that happens

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It wont be successful no chance there is zero grounds for him to win it. nothing proves Usyk could get up from the punch therefore nothing to actually appeal. thats not how the appeal system works
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Correct it won't be overturned in any way because it was an illegal punch which is what any board of control will conclude.

I would lean towards the punch being a low blow but Usyk milked it. Unfortunately, all this has done is given Frank Warren and Team Dubois a reason to redirect all the attention away from how Usyk outboxed him and made him quit.

It's even got to the point where Don Charles is holding Dubois's hands on any media interview, to ensure he doesn't slip up.

Usyk definitely took advantage of the moment but his left hand was shaking a lot if you look back at it, he was clearly in distress. You don't have to get hit square in the nuts for it to be very painful and effect them. Especially when you've got a huge puncher like Dubois hitting you in that region.

Another very good explanation of the low blow incident by Hatman:

https://youtu.be/J4hE4j24ND0?si=4iyfMwerV5n0fXca

Yawn, it wasn’t a low blow we all know that