comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Turgid Tuchelball (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
If Superb can find some reporting from actual journalists at a credible publication - that would be great.
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Well we'll find out soon enough if this source is right. According to him Cavill is back as Superman and that he'll appear in Black Adam which is getting released in October. Only two months to find out.

As things stand all the mainstream publications of which you speak are saying that Cavill isn't retuning as Superman and that he's even turned down a chance to return.
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Cavill returning to any movies as Superman does not mean the Snyderverse lives

By that rationale Burton Lives if Keaton's role in The Flash continues.

comment by NPE - Turgid Tuchelball (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Turgid Tuchelball (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
If Superb can find some reporting from actual journalists at a credible publication - that would be great.
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Well we'll find out soon enough if this source is right. According to him Cavill is back as Superman and that he'll appear in Black Adam which is getting released in October. Only two months to find out.

As things stand all the mainstream publications of which you speak are saying that Cavill isn't retuning as Superman and that he's even turned down a chance to return.
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Cavill returning to any movies as Superman does not mean the Snyderverse lives

By that rationale Burton Lives if Keaton's role in The Flash continues.

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I'm still not exactly sure what this Snyderverse term means as it depends on who you speak to. I didn't mention Snyderverse in my comment if you read it fully, only Snyder's JL.

What I said was that Zaslav is apparently going to use Snyder's JL as the canon movie and build future movies off that with Affleck and Cavill both returning for future movies. That goes completely against what we're being told by mainstream right now.

As for Keaton's role it seems that his future in these movies will be trimmed down significantly compared to what the old regime at WB had planned for him. He's already been totally cut from two movies that he shot multiple scenes for. So presumably he'll just appear as an elseworld Batman in The Flash but we won't see him again moving forward.

Either way it will be hugely significant if Cavill returns as Superman, especially as we're currently being told that it's definitely not happening from all mainstream sources.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
Ok Guv and NPE should probably look away for this comment as it may cause them upset lol.

I'm hearing David Zaslav has decided that he's going to continue the storyline from Snyder's Justice League movie and make it the canon JL movie instead of Whedon's version. This is what he means when he says they've done a reset.

This means that Affleck is back as Batman and will star as Batman again in future movies. His involvement in Aquaman 2 instead of Michael Keaton (who had already shot scenes for Aquaman 2 which were scrapped) is significant in terms of it's implications and not just a meaningless cameo as some have alluded to.

The previous regime at Warner (which have all gone now thankfully) wanted to make Keaton the main Batman in future DCU movies but it looks like that idea has been scrapped by Zaslav and Batfleck will return.

The Batgirl movie getting scrapped is all part of this because that movie and it's storyline doesn't align with the direction Zaslav is going.

Also the reshoots that we've been hearing about for Black Adam, Shazam 2 and The Flash are significant because they're altering things to make these movies align with the continuation of the Snyder JL story.

Apparently things will become clearer in Black Adam which is coming out in October and we're going to see the return of a certain Henry Cavill as Superman at some point in this movie.

Before one or two on here tear up this doesn't necessarily mean that Snyder is coming back in any capacity but it means that Affleck and Cavill are back and that we're going to continue the story from Snyder's JL (with or without Snyder). Probably without him as he's tied up with Netflix anyway.

Would give the likes of James Wan and Patty Jenkins the chance to direct some Justice League and Superman movies. Or Affleck himself to direct some, maybe he can do his Batman movie which was meant to be incredible according to those who'd seen the script.

So we can look forward to plenty more Cavill Superman, Affleck Batman and Justice League movies going forward. Hopefully a Man of Steel 2 as well as an epic solo Batfleck movie. We'll also see the return of Darkseid and the continuation of that story and probably means we'll get a huge Green Lantern Corps movie too to tie in the with the events of this universe. Cannot wait if this is what happens.
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The above is a fan theory, nothing more,nothing less.

Superb acting like him and Zaslav are on whatsapp exchanging ideas

Superb, you know exactly what Snyderverse means because you've used and referenced it several times.

Snyderverse is the DC universe/story that Snyder planned. If they make a direct sequel to Snyders JL and they go and fight Darkseid, that is an extension of the Snyderverse.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
Superb, you know exactly what Snyderverse means because you've used and referenced it several times.

Snyderverse is the DC universe/story that Snyder planned. If they make a direct sequel to Snyders JL and they go and fight Darkseid, that is an extension of the Snyderverse.
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I agree.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 6 minutes ago
Superb, you know exactly what Snyderverse means because you've used and referenced it several times.

Snyderverse is the DC universe/story that Snyder planned. If they make a direct sequel to Snyders JL and they go and fight Darkseid, that is an extension of the Snyderverse.
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I've mainly stopped using the term because I've heard it misused so many times and it leads to confusion.

Also a universe implies several movies and seeing that Warner only consider Whedon's JL cut as canon (until we hear differently) then Snyder has essentially only made two DC movies. That isn't a "universe" in my mind.

Either way I'm not particularly interested in Snyder himself or talking about him as it he's tied up at Netflix and probably not going to work for WB or DC studios anytime soon.

What I am interested in is Affleck and Cavill coming back giving us Man of Steel 2, the Affleck solo Batman movie and more Justice League movies. And if it continues the story from the superior Snyder Cut which fleshed out way more interesting storyline to continue with then even better.

Snyders plan for JL 2 centered around Darkseid killing Lois and then using Supermans rage against the JL. (Explains post credit of ZSJL). Bruce Wayne would go back in time and save Lois, thus preventing Supes from going bad.

If the next JL movie plays out that way, the Snyderverse lives.

Also seeing Cavill's Superman in the Black Adam would massively invigorate my interest in the movie.

Just to be clear, Affleck and Cavill returning does not equate to the Snyderverse continuing. It's more about the story and direction.

I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
Snyders plan for JL 2 centered around Darkseid killing Lois and then using Supermans rage against the JL. (Explains post credit of ZSJL). Bruce Wayne would go back in time and save Lois, thus preventing Supes from going bad.

If the next JL movie plays out that way, the Snyderverse lives.
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That was the original idea that Snyder was going to go with. But the point being that they don't have to continue that particular storyline necessarily just because they make Snyder's Cut the canon movie instead of Whedon's cut. They can go just about anywhere they want with it and with any director and vision they want to.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just to be clear, Affleck and Cavill returning does not equate to the Snyderverse continuing. It's more about the story and direction.
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Jeez you and this Snyder thing lol. Do you send him hate mail too

There's no plans to bring Snyder back to WB and the source I mentioned today didn't mention him returning in any form. You can relax now mate.

I'm only clarifying what the Snyderverse is, since you've conveniently contracted DC amnesia.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.
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Reboot what though ? The Whedon cut is the canon JL movie as things stand. So are you saying just carry on with that vision and introduce a completely new Darkseid? That sounds extremely confusing.

Also why would it have to be just a 3 movie arc ?? They can make Darkseid the Thanos of the DCU spanning as many movies as they want surely.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.
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Reboot what though ? The Whedon cut is the canon JL movie as things stand. So are you saying just carry on with that vision and introduce a completely new Darkseid? That sounds extremely confusing.

Also why would it have to be just a 3 movie arc ?? They can make Darkseid the Thanos of the DCU spanning as many movies as they want surely.
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No, I'd avoid Darkseid altogether in the interim.

I think it's very creative to say the Snyderverse is continuing purely because they have continued some cast members and halted Hamada's loose multiverse plans.

My plan for the DCEU:
Black Adam
Aquaman 2
Flash-Recast
Superman 2 -Lex Luthor as villain
Green Lantern movie - John Stewart version
Wonder Woman 3 -Featuring Afflecks Batman
Black Adam 2
Justice Society
Superman 3
Aquaman 3
JL vs Justice Society movie

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.
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Reboot what though ? The Whedon cut is the canon JL movie as things stand. So are you saying just carry on with that vision and introduce a completely new Darkseid? That sounds extremely confusing.

Also why would it have to be just a 3 movie arc ?? They can make Darkseid the Thanos of the DCU spanning as many movies as they want surely.
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No, I'd avoid Darkseid altogether in the interim.
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Ok so you'd introduce a new Darkseid and use Whedon's JL as canon ?

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.
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Reboot what though ? The Whedon cut is the canon JL movie as things stand. So are you saying just carry on with that vision and introduce a completely new Darkseid? That sounds extremely confusing.

Also why would it have to be just a 3 movie arc ?? They can make Darkseid the Thanos of the DCU spanning as many movies as they want surely.
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No, I'd avoid Darkseid altogether in the interim.
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Ok so you'd introduce a new Darkseid and use Whedon's JL as canon ?
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Yes. I'd build a story around other things happening in the short term and the heroes assuming beating StWolf was the end of that saga.

Then I'd do JL vs JS and then Darkseid would come later and both would have to put their differences aside to beat him.

The first Darkseid appearance would be in the Green Lantern movie. I'd maybe have one of the lanterns mention that something bad is brewing in their part of the universe and a dark force is gathering power. This would be dismissed in the movie as a small problem that could be handled at another time.

Post credits would show a peaceful village on some far away planet but all of a sudden a spaceship lands and out comes Darkseid and all we see is his laser beans wiping the screen away.

I'd recast Lex Luthor. Bring in Rosenbeaum.

comment by NPE - Turgid Tuchelball (U22712)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think it's very creative to say the Snyderverse is continuing purely because they have continued some cast members and halted Hamada's loose multiverse plans.
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I'm assuming you didn't mean creative.

The source I cited earlier didn't say that the "Snyderverse is continuing". For that to continue you'd surely need Snyder back working at WB to carry on his vision.

What he said was that Zaslav has decided to use the Snyder Cut as his canon JL movie and to continue future movies from the events of that movie which will include Cavill and Affleck back in future movies. Likely being Man of Steel 2 and an Affleck Batman movie.

That means they can go anywhere they want with it with whichever directors they want as well. Snyder need not have any more input if that's what they choose.

Either way huge changes are clearly underway at WB. It's not insignificant that they've just scrapped a 100 million dollar movie as well as cancelling other things allegedly including a Supergirl movie that was planned to follow The Flash. Not to mention axing Keaton's Batman from two movies he was set to star in.

Thankfully the old regime at WB aren't going to get their way which means that we won't have Batgirl and Supergirl spearheading the DCU with a 70 year old Keaton as this universe's Batman.

I don't know what the future holds but it's not that at least.

I think citation needed is appropriate here.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.
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Reboot what though ? The Whedon cut is the canon JL movie as things stand. So are you saying just carry on with that vision and introduce a completely new Darkseid? That sounds extremely confusing.

Also why would it have to be just a 3 movie arc ?? They can make Darkseid the Thanos of the DCU spanning as many movies as they want surely.
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No, I'd avoid Darkseid altogether in the interim.
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Ok so you'd introduce a new Darkseid and use Whedon's JL as canon ?
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Yes. I'd build a story around other things happening in the short term and the heroes assuming beating StWolf was the end of that saga.

Then I'd do JL vs JS and then Darkseid would come later and both would have to put their differences aside to beat him.
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Hmm not sure mate. Having a completely new Darkseid show up is going to be very confusing for audiences at this stage. Also I doubt too many are willing to accept the Whedon cut as canon now, especially given how panned it was.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd welcome a Cavill and Affleck return but I'd prefer them to reboot and not follow the events of ZSJL.

Let's set Darkseid up as if he's an actual big bad and not just some 3 movie arc villain.
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Reboot what though ? The Whedon cut is the canon JL movie as things stand. So are you saying just carry on with that vision and introduce a completely new Darkseid? That sounds extremely confusing.

Also why would it have to be just a 3 movie arc ?? They can make Darkseid the Thanos of the DCU spanning as many movies as they want surely.
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No, I'd avoid Darkseid altogether in the interim.
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Ok so you'd introduce a new Darkseid and use Whedon's JL as canon ?
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Yes. I'd build a story around other things happening in the short term and the heroes assuming beating StWolf was the end of that saga.

Then I'd do JL vs JS and then Darkseid would come later and both would have to put their differences aside to beat him.
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Hmm not sure mate. Having a completely new Darkseid show up is going to be very confusing for audiences at this stage. Also I doubt too many are willing to accept the Whedon cut as canon now, especially given how panned it was.
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How would it be confusing? The casuals won't even remember what happened in the ZSJL and the hardcore fans will get over it.

They done it with Thanos. He looked a certain way in his first appearance and then they changed him.