I can only assume, if you want Henderson away from the England team for the reasons you have stated, you must want Erik Dier euthanized.
He came on in a world cup semi final, made 12 backwards passes, 1 sideways, and 2 forward.

comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 8 minutes ago

Defensively England looked decent enough and up front we looked decent enough.
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I'd actually say up front is where we lost it, all those set-pieces and penalties mask how profligate we were up front. But whatever, this article is about Henderson alone for whatever reason.

Henderson hoofing the ball forward at every opportunity has little to do with Dele, honestly make a separate article if you want to discuss him

There was a moment in the Croatia game when Henderson had a chance to hit a first time shot from the edge of the box, but instead chose to try a Hollywood pass which was never on. England needs better.

It's a shame Winks is injured. I really think he can do a job for England.

He might have allowed us to retain possession v Croatia for example.

comment by Aggers Right Elbow (U3402)
posted 4 minutes ago
Hendo is the least of our worries tbh. If you wanted to wum you would have been better off pointing out our dreadful situation on the goalkeeping front.
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Why is this article a wum?

Why can’t it just be a discussion?

Midfield is clearly our weakest point at the World Cup, is nobody capable of assessing players irrespective of whether the player plays for the club you support? Modric and Rakitic probably got neck cramp the amount of times the ball went over their head

Give him movement and he'll hit the pass, it really is that simple. England havent lost a game when hes been on the pitch in 30 games either, the longest run in history. Hes been part of title challenges and various finals including two european. Club captian, played by every manager hes ever worked with for club and country too.

You could be right if course.

Either way its moot, there is not a better English cm so I dont really get the article.

comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
Give him movement and he'll hit the pass, it really is that simple. England havent lost a game when hes been on the pitch in 30 games either, the longest run in history. Hes been part of title challenges and various finals including two european. Club captian, played by every manager hes ever worked with for club and country too.

You could be right if course.

Either way its moot, there is not a better English cm so I dont really get the article.
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I certainly get it.
It's a load of old b0ll0x, from the biggest set of ball bag fans on this site.

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im also struggling with the fact Spurs fans are giving him grief.

Dier and Alli were far worse than him, in fact it was like England were playing with 10 men for the majority of time Alli was on the pitch
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That's because this is an article on Henderson, not on Dier and Alli. Alli's inclusion has been talked about a lot already and criticised. I've criticised Alli more than enough on the WC articles because I know when to separate my bias and can see he hasn't been good enough.
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then how can you knock Hendersons performance when he's having to double his efforts and work rate to cover a lame horse.

you cant, because if Alli was doing his job as he should have, maybe Henderson's performances would have improved.
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Because Henderson was rubbish too. Did you see the clip?
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yeah i saw the clip... and Henderson passing was bad... but when youve got players in front not wanting the ball then you try things you shouldnt.

He did well, but only Liverpool fans on here are saying he was one of the best.

He was no better or worse than some of the other players criticised here (Young, Alli, Sterling, Lingard, to a lesser degree Walker). Hey all played well but we're bad in others. Harry Kane wasn't great either, despite getting the goals, but unlike the others he has gotten a bit of a free pass (other than the misses against Croatia).

Henderson isn't a creative player in the mold of Modric or Scholes. England don't have one. The closest that comes to mind is Lallana and he wasn't match fit. Henderson is would be decent as a midfield partner for one in an international set up. But he isn't one and seems to be compared to one when playing. The same doesn't happen for other players, such as Dier or Delph.

Nor are Alli or Lingard. They are not creative in the same way. Lingard is all about quick movement with and without the ball, short passing and clever positioning.

If we do manage to find one, it will probably require another formation change.

Winks is probably our best hope for the next few years for the sort of intelligent, ball retaining player we need. Not saying he's brilliant but he's the best placed to deliver since he's at a big club that plays in the CL, and should get chances under Poch.

Not sure if you lot can read but I clearly said we need to move away from his TYPE of player i.e. long passes, long shots, hard running, hard tackling but limited technique and touch, I'm hoping the young players coming through the England youth teams are as technical as their European counterparts

only Liverpool fans on here are saying he was one of the best.
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Nonsense. Pundits maybe but I've not seen one Liverpool fan on here write that.

Henderson wasn't good in the semi final but using a 55 second clip of all his misplaced passes as 'proof' he's cr@p is just stupid. You could just as easily make a clip of him playing quality passes.

So the point of the article is you want England to have better players.

Noted.

If you're argument is "Henderson was only bad because he had no help in midfield" then that's a criticism of Southgate, not Dele. Southgate picked 2 Attacking midfielders in Dele and Lingard and clearly instructed them to push very high, essentially level with Kane or even ahead of him at times. Against a true 3 man midfield like Croatia. Played, this is going to leave Henderson outnumbered and isolated.

comment by The Duality of Can (U21747)
posted 39 minutes ago
I thought he was our best player this tournament alongside Trippier, Pickford, Stones and Maguire....
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That's one example right there, Robbing.

Knew a stupid article like this would be written by a Spurs fan. He has been one of England's best performers this tournament whether you like it or not. Against Crotia, I commented before the game how Southgate was unlikely to change tact meaning we would be outrun in midfield by their trio which we were as the game wore on. He was outnumbered in there which was a blunder by Southgate.

He was fantastic against Sweden and had Sterling finished both of his one on ones, you would have all been creaming at the two assists. Also, all the criticism of "being a sideways passer" is complete rubbish - any midfielder should have that in his repertoire of knowing at what speed to dictate play which Hendo does fairly well. Yes he may not be the world class player that we expect but then we have reached a semi final with him in the side which supposedly world class Lampard, Beckham, Scholes and Gerrard weren't able to do. Also, he's selfless and a model pro.

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 26 minutes ago
I personally don't think he had a good World Cup. He was alright, nothing special. His lack of quality on the ball was a real issue for me
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Which English deep midfielder has better quality than Henderson on the ball? Cant think of any. He was probably England's most creative midfielder in terms of his passing and he's the deepest.

It seems to me your blaming England's obvious lack of creativity on the player who is supposed to shield the defence and get it to the creative players and not the actual players who are supposed to create.

For me the obvious lack of creativity is in large part due to the system which is set up to get the best out of Kane by employing wing backs to get crosses into him and by using Sterling out of position to do the running for him. It's no coincidence that England's goals came from crosses and set pieces.

This was always going to be the case and perhaps other players who weren't at their fittest or many claim aren't worthy of a place, such as Wilshere and Lallana would have been better use in a more progressive system than the one England employed.

I thought Henderson did pretty well given his limitations. Southgate was a bit naive not putting someone alongside him v Croatia.

It's a shame Wilshere and Winks are so injury prone. They are the type of cm England needs.

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im also struggling with the fact Spurs fans are giving him grief.

Dier and Alli were far worse than him, in fact it was like England were playing with 10 men for the majority of time Alli was on the pitch
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That's because this is an article on Henderson, not on Dier and Alli. Alli's inclusion has been talked about a lot already and criticised. I've criticised Alli more than enough on the WC articles because I know when to separate my bias and can see he hasn't been good enough.
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then how can you knock Hendersons performance when he's having to double his efforts and work rate to cover a lame horse.

you cant, because if Alli was doing his job as he should have, maybe Henderson's performances would have improved.
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Because Henderson was rubbish too. Did you see the clip?
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yeah i saw the clip... and Henderson passing was bad... but when youve got players in front not wanting the ball then you try things you shouldnt.
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Regardless of the rest of the midfield not being good enough, which we can all agree on, that clip highlights his limitations. It wasn't just about the executions of his passes but playing the right pass, or making the right decisions. He wasn't showing much intelligence.

Better players in midfield yes, like I said too often England are producing the old school type midfielder, we need to move on from that style

Also, his job as a 6 wasn't to faaacking create was it

It was to protect the defence which he did reasonably well and their winning goal was only scored once Dier came on. By the way a London bus turns quicker than him.

He's a good player. He did have a good world cup.

He was also playing CM entirely on his own, which is RIDICULOUS. That's got to be taken into context.

Weird article calling him out on one bad performance.

(Though I won't disagree that the passing in the video is pretty shocking)