comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 1 minute ago
No, Ivanovic was clearly first choice RB. Which he continued to be under Mourinho, which is why Azpi played LB under Mourinho.
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No Mourinho brought him back to RB, he was playing CB under Rafa, usually with Luiz.
What about Mata, it can argued that Mourinho ruined his career. Mata was easily one of our MVPs when Jose axed him from the team. where is he now?
fine, he won the league without Mata, but I fail to see how Mata would have hurt his plans.
Show me the stats as to how many games Azpi started the season before Mourinho came back
Mourinho didn't ruin Mata's career, Mata's own weak spirit ruined his career. One setback and he couldn't recover.
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 18 seconds ago
Show me the stats as to how many games Azpi started the season before Mourinho came back
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https://www.transfermarkt.com/branislav-ivanovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/36827/plus/0?saison=2012
Ivanovic was a CB 90% of the time after the first few games.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cesar-azpilicueta/leistungsdaten/spieler/57500/plus/0?saison=2012
Azpi started all but four league games at RB from November onwards.
I'll have to disagree, Mata was in the form of his life when Jose dropped him.
comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 18 seconds ago
Show me the stats as to how many games Azpi started the season before Mourinho came back
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https://www.transfermarkt.com/branislav-ivanovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/36827/plus/0?saison=2012
Ivanovic was a CB 90% of the time after the first few games.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cesar-azpilicueta/leistungsdaten/spieler/57500/plus/0?saison=2012
Azpi started all but four league games at RB from November onwards.
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Dammit. You've totally proved Wahl I mean Erik wrong. Does that mean he should apologise for calling me names? Worse than that he's now out of here so the fun's stopped.
Mata won player of year 2 years running and Jose dropped him. In fact he dropped him and ignored KDB in favour of a player who now plays in the Far East and didn't make his Country's World Cup squad. Way to go Mourinhosaurus.
Anyone get the feeling that onebationundertrump and erik are the same person
This is a good comment. I do understand where you’re coming from, but I think people need to understand that Mourinho was hurt by what happened at Chelsea. His players, who he put a lot of trust in, betrayed him and the owner who told him he was there for the long term chose the players over him. The fans were mostly loyal, I can’t disagree with that, but then within less than a year they’re already treating conte the same way they treated Mourinho. That’s gotta hurt him even more and this time it is the fans who are hurting him. And what do you have to say about the fans who called Mourinho Judas?
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I do, but conversely you (and Jose) in turn need to understand that actions have consequences. If you say things even out of anger people will remember them. If he came out with an interview, after leaving United of course, saying he regretted slagging us off and accepted partial responsibility for how his Chelsea time ended, I think you'll be surprised how many Chelsea fans will forgive him.
Fans aren't stupid. Back when we played Inter in 2010 he got a tremendous reaction from us (despite stating he wanted to "kill us" in the build up, direct quote) because we understood where that anger was coming from and empathized. Everything he's said at United has been more vindictive, trying to destabilize us/prove we were wrong and it comes across as bitter. That's the difference.
You know the funny thing about the Judas stuff is if Mourinho sees everything as a game, and you get an advantage by any means necessary (how his comments about us can be interpreted from one prospective), then the Judas chants can simply be seen as us playing our hand. It stemmed from a series of interview he gave where (a) he criticized our board through complementing our style of play (argument without context), (b) stated we had it easy through having no CL/EL that season (argument without context), (c) took offense to Conte's dramatic celebrations (glass houses argument), and (d) lauding United fans as the best (very passive aggressive). Where I stood on it personally, was unnecessary but not without reason.
Maybe it would help Erik, I mean Wahl, understand, if things were put in some sort of context.
For example imagine for a moment that Erik once had a girlfriend he was unconditionally in love with, who he put up on a pedestal,
defended her honour against allcomers no matter what the cost.
Unfortunately this relationship sadly came to an end and they went their seperate ways. Six months later she has moved on, found another
suitor and within weeks was putting up facebook status's saying her new consort was the best lover she'd ever had, how he never 'arrives' (that should keep admin off my back) before she does and gives her 'arrivals' she's never experienced before.
She hasn't 'unfriended' him on facebook so he can see all the gory details and feel the embarrassment, of the insinuation that he's a useless lover that's been put out in the public domain.
Surely Wahl would now feel some sort of resentment - wouldn't he!!
I'll have to agree with you, but Jose has no one but himself to blame for how things turned out at Chelsea, the Eva stint was so unnecessary, how he handled it was even worse. I think it was right to sack him.
You couldn't think of a better word than 'arrive'?
But yeah it's a good analogy.
We all know the type of manager Jose is, we understand as United manager we represent the enemy now, but there's a certain way to go about things and considering we put him up on that pedestal we are entitled to believe we should be different. Refusing to answer questions about Chelsea out of respect for both ourselves and United would've been just fine with both sets of fans, but nope.
As I said before, no other club in the world would've been chanting his name and labeled our own players rats from a 17th league table position... nobody. Fact the only other fans in the modern era I can think of who might've shown that degree of faith in a manager would've been United fans for Ferguson, maybe.
You couldn't think of a better word than 'arrive'?
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She might have been a posh bird!!
I don't think even United fans for Ferguson would have. A very decent portion of United's fan base thought he was past it when he finished 3rd for a couple of years
of the insinuation that he's a useless lover that's been put out in the public domain.
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But here's the thing - in your example that insinuation was never made. The girl is saying nice things about her current boyfriend (which makes sense since they're obviously currently together), but she hasn't actually said anything bad about her ex-boyfriend. She hasn't even mentioned him in the same way Mourinho doesn't mention Chelsea when he praises United's fans. You can't say that because this person is saying someone is the best that that means that the other person is bad. The other person can still be good, they just aren't as good. But that's different from saying that person is bad.
In terms of why she's saying these things publicly, the scenario here is different from Mourinho. She's saying all this on facebook when she doesn't have to, she could say all of that in private to her boyfriend. Mourinho can't do the same, he can't tell the Man Utd fans 'privately' that they're the best fans. How could he? Look up addresses and go door to door? So that's the difference, in both examples these things are being said publicly, so in both examples the ex's are gonna hear what the person is saying. but in one example there's a choice about whether they do this publicly, but in the case of Mourinho there isn't a choice. So that means the actual intent to piiiss someone off is more likely in your example than in the real situation with Mourinho.
Also, in your example, you're missing the part about the "poor" ex boyfriend fawning over their amazing new girlfriend Antonio Conte and comparing them to the ex-girlfriend they claimed to love so much and had such a history with after a matter of months. You also missed out the part where our poor guy is making friends with all the people his ex girlfriend hated, including her abusive parents and forgetting all the shiiit they put her through, in the same way the Chelsea fans welcomed back the rat players who stabbed Mourinho in the back with open arms when they decided they wanted to start trying again.
Everyone talks about what Mourinho hasn't done for the Chelsea fans since he left, but what did the Chelsea fans do for Mourinho. They gave the new manager the same love they gave Mourinho like pretty much immediately. The players that orchestrated his sacking with their disgraceful behaviour were never made to face up to what they had done. When they started playing well again, it was all forgotten.
Why is it football fans are allowed to be fickle, but no one else is? If you want to demand loyalty from someone, you better damn well show them loyalty yourself. And not just token gestures like cheering them or whatever. You don't furrrking forgive those that caused them pain.
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 58 seconds ago
of the insinuation that he's a useless lover that's been put out in the public domain.
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But here's the thing - in your example that insinuation was never made. The girl is saying nice things about her current boyfriend (which makes sense since they're obviously currently together), but she hasn't actually said anything bad about her ex-boyfriend. She hasn't even mentioned him in the same way Mourinho doesn't mention Chelsea when he praises United's fans. You can't say that because this person is saying someone is the best that that means that the other person is bad. The other person can still be good, they just aren't as good. But that's different from saying that person is bad.
In terms of why she's saying these things publicly, the scenario here is different from Mourinho. She's saying all this on facebook when she doesn't have to, she could say all of that in private to her boyfriend. Mourinho can't do the same, he can't tell the Man Utd fans 'privately' that they're the best fans. How could he? Look up addresses and go door to door? So that's the difference, in both examples these things are being said publicly, so in both examples the ex's are gonna hear what the person is saying. but in one example there's a choice about whether they do this publicly, but in the case of Mourinho there isn't a choice. So that means the actual intent to piiiss someone off is more likely in your example than in the real situation with Mourinho.
Also, in your example, you're missing the part about the "poor" ex boyfriend fawning over their amazing new girlfriend Antonio Conte and comparing them to the ex-girlfriend they claimed to love so much and had such a history with after a matter of months. You also missed out the part where our poor guy is making friends with all the people his ex girlfriend hated, including her abusive parents and forgetting all the shiiit they put her through, in the same way the Chelsea fans welcomed back the rat players who stabbed Mourinho in the back with open arms when they decided they wanted to start trying again.
Everyone talks about what Mourinho hasn't done for the Chelsea fans since he left, but what did the Chelsea fans do for Mourinho. They gave the new manager the same love they gave Mourinho like pretty much immediately. The players that orchestrated his sacking with their disgraceful behaviour were never made to face up to what they had done. When they started playing well again, it was all forgotten.
Why is it football fans are allowed to be fickle, but no one else is? If you want to demand loyalty from someone, you better damn well show them loyalty yourself. And not just token gestures like cheering them or whatever. You don't furrrking forgive those that caused them pain.
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Nope, it said "best lover she'd ever had"!
Read again!
So why does that mean he's a bad lover?
If i ate a pizza and siad this is the best pizza I'd ever had, does that mean every pizza I'd had before is bad?
It was probably a bad analogy - you've probably never had a girlfriend!
Just forget I mentioned it!
Erik
Do you genuinely believe Mourinho had zero fault in what happened that season?
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
So why does that mean he's a bad lover?
If i ate a pizza and siad this is the best pizza I'd ever had, does that mean every pizza I'd had before is bad?
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He probably wasn’t a bad lover in the era of missionary is the only position. But things have moved on, now there’s all sorts of positions, 3 somes, dirty sanchezzing, chocking the bacon etc..he’s been left behind..
Erik why haven't acknowledged getting Azpi's position wrong?
What about Mourihnosaurus demanding respect and giving none back?
Instead you choose to get involved with Brummie on another issue on this thread. Jose should take his own advice and sit down and shut up when Conte ripped him and his new bit a new one instead of crying like a baby
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago
This is a good comment. I do understand where you’re coming from, but I think people need to understand that Mourinho was hurt by what happened at Chelsea. His players, who he put a lot of trust in, betrayed him and the owner who told him he was there for the long term chose the players over him. The fans were mostly loyal, I can’t disagree with that, but then within less than a year they’re already treating conte the same way they treated Mourinho. That’s gotta hurt him even more and this time it is the fans who are hurting him. And what do you have to say about the fans who called Mourinho Judas?
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I do, but conversely you (and Jose) in turn need to understand that actions have consequences. If you say things even out of anger people will remember them. If he came out with an interview, after leaving United of course, saying he regretted slagging us off and accepted partial responsibility for how his Chelsea time ended, I think you'll be surprised how many Chelsea fans will forgive him.
Fans aren't stupid. Back when we played Inter in 2010 he got a tremendous reaction from us (despite stating he wanted to "kill us" in the build up, direct quote) because we understood where that anger was coming from and empathized. Everything he's said at United has been more vindictive, trying to destabilize us/prove we were wrong and it comes across as bitter. That's the difference.
You know the funny thing about the Judas stuff is if Mourinho sees everything as a game, and you get an advantage by any means necessary (how his comments about us can be interpreted from one prospective), then the Judas chants can simply be seen as us playing our hand. It stemmed from a series of interview he gave where (a) he criticized our board through complementing our style of play (argument without context), (b) stated we had it easy through having no CL/EL that season (argument without context), (c) took offense to Conte's dramatic celebrations (glass houses argument), and (d) lauding United fans as the best (very passive aggressive). Where I stood on it personally, was unnecessary but not without reason.
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I really like your comments bro. You're seriously mature compared to most people on here. Sorry, don't mean to make it weird, but I wanted to compliment you on that.
Anyway, I don't actually think he's said anything purposefully to destabilise Chelsea. in terms of you a, b,c,d there, I don't get what a means, but for b I would say he was trying to defend his own team by pointing out the team comfortably at the top has had an advantage, and give that as a reason as to why he was quite far behind them. And to be fair that's not really talking shiiit, it's true, I'd gladly admit as Chelsea fan that not having european football that year was really useful for us and did help us win the league. So I'm not sure what the issue is there.
For c I'd say that was an emotional response to a very emotional situation for him. I'm sure Mourinho felt humiliated to lose so heavily in such an important game and on top of that he then sees Conte celebrating and that just makes him feel even worse about it. I don't believe you can't cut him slack there and feel a little sorry for him. Plus, at 4-0, there's really no need to be jumping up and down for every goal, the game is clearly won. So it really is unnecessary and a little insensitive to be celebrating in the way Conte was at that point. It's isn't respectful.
for d, again that's Mourinho complimenting his current club. He's giving them credit for supporting the team and he's trying to keep everyone at United happy. That's his job as their manager. He probably didn't even mean what he said, but he's the United manager, so it's his job to say stuff like that.
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posted on 7/9/18
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 1 minute ago
No, Ivanovic was clearly first choice RB. Which he continued to be under Mourinho, which is why Azpi played LB under Mourinho.
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No Mourinho brought him back to RB, he was playing CB under Rafa, usually with Luiz.
posted on 7/9/18
What about Mata, it can argued that Mourinho ruined his career. Mata was easily one of our MVPs when Jose axed him from the team. where is he now?
posted on 7/9/18
fine, he won the league without Mata, but I fail to see how Mata would have hurt his plans.
posted on 7/9/18
Show me the stats as to how many games Azpi started the season before Mourinho came back
posted on 7/9/18
Mourinho didn't ruin Mata's career, Mata's own weak spirit ruined his career. One setback and he couldn't recover.
posted on 7/9/18
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 18 seconds ago
Show me the stats as to how many games Azpi started the season before Mourinho came back
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https://www.transfermarkt.com/branislav-ivanovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/36827/plus/0?saison=2012
Ivanovic was a CB 90% of the time after the first few games.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cesar-azpilicueta/leistungsdaten/spieler/57500/plus/0?saison=2012
Azpi started all but four league games at RB from November onwards.
posted on 7/9/18
I'll have to disagree, Mata was in the form of his life when Jose dropped him.
posted on 7/9/18
comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 18 seconds ago
Show me the stats as to how many games Azpi started the season before Mourinho came back
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https://www.transfermarkt.com/branislav-ivanovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/36827/plus/0?saison=2012
Ivanovic was a CB 90% of the time after the first few games.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cesar-azpilicueta/leistungsdaten/spieler/57500/plus/0?saison=2012
Azpi started all but four league games at RB from November onwards.
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Dammit. You've totally proved Wahl I mean Erik wrong. Does that mean he should apologise for calling me names? Worse than that he's now out of here so the fun's stopped.
posted on 7/9/18
Mata won player of year 2 years running and Jose dropped him. In fact he dropped him and ignored KDB in favour of a player who now plays in the Far East and didn't make his Country's World Cup squad. Way to go Mourinhosaurus.
posted on 8/9/18
Anyone get the feeling that onebationundertrump and erik are the same person
posted on 8/9/18
One concentrated gammon
posted on 8/9/18
This is a good comment. I do understand where you’re coming from, but I think people need to understand that Mourinho was hurt by what happened at Chelsea. His players, who he put a lot of trust in, betrayed him and the owner who told him he was there for the long term chose the players over him. The fans were mostly loyal, I can’t disagree with that, but then within less than a year they’re already treating conte the same way they treated Mourinho. That’s gotta hurt him even more and this time it is the fans who are hurting him. And what do you have to say about the fans who called Mourinho Judas?
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I do, but conversely you (and Jose) in turn need to understand that actions have consequences. If you say things even out of anger people will remember them. If he came out with an interview, after leaving United of course, saying he regretted slagging us off and accepted partial responsibility for how his Chelsea time ended, I think you'll be surprised how many Chelsea fans will forgive him.
Fans aren't stupid. Back when we played Inter in 2010 he got a tremendous reaction from us (despite stating he wanted to "kill us" in the build up, direct quote) because we understood where that anger was coming from and empathized. Everything he's said at United has been more vindictive, trying to destabilize us/prove we were wrong and it comes across as bitter. That's the difference.
You know the funny thing about the Judas stuff is if Mourinho sees everything as a game, and you get an advantage by any means necessary (how his comments about us can be interpreted from one prospective), then the Judas chants can simply be seen as us playing our hand. It stemmed from a series of interview he gave where (a) he criticized our board through complementing our style of play (argument without context), (b) stated we had it easy through having no CL/EL that season (argument without context), (c) took offense to Conte's dramatic celebrations (glass houses argument), and (d) lauding United fans as the best (very passive aggressive). Where I stood on it personally, was unnecessary but not without reason.
posted on 8/9/18
Maybe it would help Erik, I mean Wahl, understand, if things were put in some sort of context.
For example imagine for a moment that Erik once had a girlfriend he was unconditionally in love with, who he put up on a pedestal,
defended her honour against allcomers no matter what the cost.
Unfortunately this relationship sadly came to an end and they went their seperate ways. Six months later she has moved on, found another
suitor and within weeks was putting up facebook status's saying her new consort was the best lover she'd ever had, how he never 'arrives' (that should keep admin off my back) before she does and gives her 'arrivals' she's never experienced before.
She hasn't 'unfriended' him on facebook so he can see all the gory details and feel the embarrassment, of the insinuation that he's a useless lover that's been put out in the public domain.
Surely Wahl would now feel some sort of resentment - wouldn't he!!
posted on 8/9/18
I'll have to agree with you, but Jose has no one but himself to blame for how things turned out at Chelsea, the Eva stint was so unnecessary, how he handled it was even worse. I think it was right to sack him.
posted on 8/9/18
You couldn't think of a better word than 'arrive'?
But yeah it's a good analogy.
We all know the type of manager Jose is, we understand as United manager we represent the enemy now, but there's a certain way to go about things and considering we put him up on that pedestal we are entitled to believe we should be different. Refusing to answer questions about Chelsea out of respect for both ourselves and United would've been just fine with both sets of fans, but nope.
As I said before, no other club in the world would've been chanting his name and labeled our own players rats from a 17th league table position... nobody. Fact the only other fans in the modern era I can think of who might've shown that degree of faith in a manager would've been United fans for Ferguson, maybe.
posted on 8/9/18
You couldn't think of a better word than 'arrive'?
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She might have been a posh bird!!
posted on 8/9/18
I don't think even United fans for Ferguson would have. A very decent portion of United's fan base thought he was past it when he finished 3rd for a couple of years
posted on 8/9/18
of the insinuation that he's a useless lover that's been put out in the public domain.
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But here's the thing - in your example that insinuation was never made. The girl is saying nice things about her current boyfriend (which makes sense since they're obviously currently together), but she hasn't actually said anything bad about her ex-boyfriend. She hasn't even mentioned him in the same way Mourinho doesn't mention Chelsea when he praises United's fans. You can't say that because this person is saying someone is the best that that means that the other person is bad. The other person can still be good, they just aren't as good. But that's different from saying that person is bad.
In terms of why she's saying these things publicly, the scenario here is different from Mourinho. She's saying all this on facebook when she doesn't have to, she could say all of that in private to her boyfriend. Mourinho can't do the same, he can't tell the Man Utd fans 'privately' that they're the best fans. How could he? Look up addresses and go door to door? So that's the difference, in both examples these things are being said publicly, so in both examples the ex's are gonna hear what the person is saying. but in one example there's a choice about whether they do this publicly, but in the case of Mourinho there isn't a choice. So that means the actual intent to piiiss someone off is more likely in your example than in the real situation with Mourinho.
Also, in your example, you're missing the part about the "poor" ex boyfriend fawning over their amazing new girlfriend Antonio Conte and comparing them to the ex-girlfriend they claimed to love so much and had such a history with after a matter of months. You also missed out the part where our poor guy is making friends with all the people his ex girlfriend hated, including her abusive parents and forgetting all the shiiit they put her through, in the same way the Chelsea fans welcomed back the rat players who stabbed Mourinho in the back with open arms when they decided they wanted to start trying again.
Everyone talks about what Mourinho hasn't done for the Chelsea fans since he left, but what did the Chelsea fans do for Mourinho. They gave the new manager the same love they gave Mourinho like pretty much immediately. The players that orchestrated his sacking with their disgraceful behaviour were never made to face up to what they had done. When they started playing well again, it was all forgotten.
Why is it football fans are allowed to be fickle, but no one else is? If you want to demand loyalty from someone, you better damn well show them loyalty yourself. And not just token gestures like cheering them or whatever. You don't furrrking forgive those that caused them pain.
posted on 8/9/18
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 58 seconds ago
of the insinuation that he's a useless lover that's been put out in the public domain.
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But here's the thing - in your example that insinuation was never made. The girl is saying nice things about her current boyfriend (which makes sense since they're obviously currently together), but she hasn't actually said anything bad about her ex-boyfriend. She hasn't even mentioned him in the same way Mourinho doesn't mention Chelsea when he praises United's fans. You can't say that because this person is saying someone is the best that that means that the other person is bad. The other person can still be good, they just aren't as good. But that's different from saying that person is bad.
In terms of why she's saying these things publicly, the scenario here is different from Mourinho. She's saying all this on facebook when she doesn't have to, she could say all of that in private to her boyfriend. Mourinho can't do the same, he can't tell the Man Utd fans 'privately' that they're the best fans. How could he? Look up addresses and go door to door? So that's the difference, in both examples these things are being said publicly, so in both examples the ex's are gonna hear what the person is saying. but in one example there's a choice about whether they do this publicly, but in the case of Mourinho there isn't a choice. So that means the actual intent to piiiss someone off is more likely in your example than in the real situation with Mourinho.
Also, in your example, you're missing the part about the "poor" ex boyfriend fawning over their amazing new girlfriend Antonio Conte and comparing them to the ex-girlfriend they claimed to love so much and had such a history with after a matter of months. You also missed out the part where our poor guy is making friends with all the people his ex girlfriend hated, including her abusive parents and forgetting all the shiiit they put her through, in the same way the Chelsea fans welcomed back the rat players who stabbed Mourinho in the back with open arms when they decided they wanted to start trying again.
Everyone talks about what Mourinho hasn't done for the Chelsea fans since he left, but what did the Chelsea fans do for Mourinho. They gave the new manager the same love they gave Mourinho like pretty much immediately. The players that orchestrated his sacking with their disgraceful behaviour were never made to face up to what they had done. When they started playing well again, it was all forgotten.
Why is it football fans are allowed to be fickle, but no one else is? If you want to demand loyalty from someone, you better damn well show them loyalty yourself. And not just token gestures like cheering them or whatever. You don't furrrking forgive those that caused them pain.
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Nope, it said "best lover she'd ever had"!
Read again!
posted on 8/9/18
So why does that mean he's a bad lover?
If i ate a pizza and siad this is the best pizza I'd ever had, does that mean every pizza I'd had before is bad?
posted on 8/9/18
It was probably a bad analogy - you've probably never had a girlfriend!
Just forget I mentioned it!
posted on 8/9/18
Erik
Do you genuinely believe Mourinho had zero fault in what happened that season?
posted on 8/9/18
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
So why does that mean he's a bad lover?
If i ate a pizza and siad this is the best pizza I'd ever had, does that mean every pizza I'd had before is bad?
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He probably wasn’t a bad lover in the era of missionary is the only position. But things have moved on, now there’s all sorts of positions, 3 somes, dirty sanchezzing, chocking the bacon etc..he’s been left behind..
posted on 8/9/18
Erik why haven't acknowledged getting Azpi's position wrong?
What about Mourihnosaurus demanding respect and giving none back?
Instead you choose to get involved with Brummie on another issue on this thread. Jose should take his own advice and sit down and shut up when Conte ripped him and his new bit a new one instead of crying like a baby
posted on 8/9/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago
This is a good comment. I do understand where you’re coming from, but I think people need to understand that Mourinho was hurt by what happened at Chelsea. His players, who he put a lot of trust in, betrayed him and the owner who told him he was there for the long term chose the players over him. The fans were mostly loyal, I can’t disagree with that, but then within less than a year they’re already treating conte the same way they treated Mourinho. That’s gotta hurt him even more and this time it is the fans who are hurting him. And what do you have to say about the fans who called Mourinho Judas?
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I do, but conversely you (and Jose) in turn need to understand that actions have consequences. If you say things even out of anger people will remember them. If he came out with an interview, after leaving United of course, saying he regretted slagging us off and accepted partial responsibility for how his Chelsea time ended, I think you'll be surprised how many Chelsea fans will forgive him.
Fans aren't stupid. Back when we played Inter in 2010 he got a tremendous reaction from us (despite stating he wanted to "kill us" in the build up, direct quote) because we understood where that anger was coming from and empathized. Everything he's said at United has been more vindictive, trying to destabilize us/prove we were wrong and it comes across as bitter. That's the difference.
You know the funny thing about the Judas stuff is if Mourinho sees everything as a game, and you get an advantage by any means necessary (how his comments about us can be interpreted from one prospective), then the Judas chants can simply be seen as us playing our hand. It stemmed from a series of interview he gave where (a) he criticized our board through complementing our style of play (argument without context), (b) stated we had it easy through having no CL/EL that season (argument without context), (c) took offense to Conte's dramatic celebrations (glass houses argument), and (d) lauding United fans as the best (very passive aggressive). Where I stood on it personally, was unnecessary but not without reason.
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I really like your comments bro. You're seriously mature compared to most people on here. Sorry, don't mean to make it weird, but I wanted to compliment you on that.
Anyway, I don't actually think he's said anything purposefully to destabilise Chelsea. in terms of you a, b,c,d there, I don't get what a means, but for b I would say he was trying to defend his own team by pointing out the team comfortably at the top has had an advantage, and give that as a reason as to why he was quite far behind them. And to be fair that's not really talking shiiit, it's true, I'd gladly admit as Chelsea fan that not having european football that year was really useful for us and did help us win the league. So I'm not sure what the issue is there.
For c I'd say that was an emotional response to a very emotional situation for him. I'm sure Mourinho felt humiliated to lose so heavily in such an important game and on top of that he then sees Conte celebrating and that just makes him feel even worse about it. I don't believe you can't cut him slack there and feel a little sorry for him. Plus, at 4-0, there's really no need to be jumping up and down for every goal, the game is clearly won. So it really is unnecessary and a little insensitive to be celebrating in the way Conte was at that point. It's isn't respectful.
for d, again that's Mourinho complimenting his current club. He's giving them credit for supporting the team and he's trying to keep everyone at United happy. That's his job as their manager. He probably didn't even mean what he said, but he's the United manager, so it's his job to say stuff like that.
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